The way some people go on about youth around here you'd think they were toddlers. They're grown adults ffs.
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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The way some people go on about youth around here you'd think they were toddlers. They're grown adults ffs.
There's a possibility it's total fiction but, if so, the journalist has an uncanny ability to predict the future!
It's semantic I know but you are still wrong, it doesn't mean that a player is fat. In the case of Shaw, when he joined us, he wasn't fit enough for LVG and there is several options for it, he was either not training enough or he wasn't following the correct training but at the time he wasn't fat. What we do know about him though is that he likes junk food, which isn't a problem in theory but can be a problem if he doesn't train enough.
Now on topic. It's the third fullback having problems with Mourinho after Baba Rahman and Felipe Luis, maybe he hates them or his love for Ashley Cole is too big.
So who was Ronaldo's mentor at Madrid? Considering they've had multiple managers and he's never lost his determination? It was on Ronaldo, it's either in a player's DNA or it isn't. The same way some people are lazy and some aren't.
Young players need a mentor and trust to keep them motivated and provide confidence in their younger days, If You help a kid to walk 2-3 initial steps he'll try everything for you If you dont He'll just lie around and screw his nappy's.
Ronaldo was already a ballon d'or winner when he went to madrid
Christ... these are grown men.
That doesn't answer my question, it's not like he stopped improving. If anything he worked even harder to try and change his game to be able to compete with Messi.
Shaw has never shown anything since he joined us. Bang average player. He's very fast but that is about it. I know he's young and had a bad injury, but life goes on and his injury has recovered. He must have the mental strength of a turnip. Collecting a massive salary and getting his bro on Twitter to have a go at Jose. Get him out the door asap. Compare him to our previous LB we've had at the club and the guys record and performances are a joke. I haven't even mentioned all of the other fitness issues he has had. Later Luke, good riddance.
No They are still Boys
Or maybe he knows what it takes to be an elite fullback? What with winning so many trophies with teams that had two excellent fullbacks...
Yep, it's totally acceptable for a 21 year old man to not fully commit to his job. Also unacceptable for his boss to tell him to pull his socks up.
Mourinho needs to act as a mentor and a father figure than a judge.
Difference between a mentor and a judge is lack of personel touch and guidence.
Difference between a mentor and a judge is lack of personel touch and guidence.
I am not asking anyone to follow Jose blindly. But given that Miki and Martial have managed to find a way back to the team after being shunted out, I assume that Shaw would have been in too if he had been good enough.
But it is wrong to assume that whatever Jose says is trash.
Anyways, in the post that you quoted, all I was pointing is that some people on caf are believing the manager not because they are impatient with Shaw.
Former Southampton manager describes handling Shaw
“I’d only play him half an hour at a time in the Premier League,” Nigel Adkins told Sky Sports in May 2015. “I was maybe getting some questions asked of me but we knew Luke couldn’t play a full 90 minutes. He was still 17 and very young. He even struggled to play a full 90 minutes in the Under-18 team.
“We had to spend a lot of time looking after Luke because he was very young and there were the off-field things that go with that. We had to put a special group together just to help him develop his all-round lifestyle and give him an opportunity to deal with the situations that arose.”
Southampton's Luke Shaw slides in on Robin van Persie
“I’d only play him half an hour at a time in the Premier League,” Nigel Adkins told Sky Sports in May 2015. “I was maybe getting some questions asked of me but we knew Luke couldn’t play a full 90 minutes. He was still 17 and very young. He even struggled to play a full 90 minutes in the Under-18 team.
“We had to spend a lot of time looking after Luke because he was very young and there were the off-field things that go with that. We had to put a special group together just to help him develop his all-round lifestyle and give him an opportunity to deal with the situations that arose.”
Southampton's Luke Shaw slides in on Robin van Persie
Good to know you got the point so "clearly"
Former Southampton manager describes handling Shaw
“I’d only play him half an hour at a time in the Premier League,” Nigel Adkins told Sky Sports in May 2015. “I was maybe getting some questions asked of me but we knew Luke couldn’t play a full 90 minutes. He was still 17 and very young. He even struggled to play a full 90 minutes in the Under-18 team.
“We had to spend a lot of time looking after Luke because he was very young and there were the off-field things that go with that. We had to put a special group together just to help him develop his all-round lifestyle and give him an opportunity to deal with the situations that arose.”
Southampton's Luke Shaw slides in on Robin van Persie
That's 4 managers. Feck, there's a lot of managers who seem to be in on this lie.
That is just wrong. Shaw should not be short of motivation.
More money down the drain then, what's new with this club?
Huh!!
So SAF was a mentor to Ronaldo and a judge in the case of Nani or any other player he publicly talked about??
Do you think Ronaldo didn't receive the hairdryer treatment from SAF because he was young?
True mate and the article probably is all correct, I was just erring on the side of caution
In all seriousness though, after comments from different sources all of a similar nature, it is obvious there is some problem of attitude, application or motivation that Shaw has. I see this from Jose as a final effort to try and push him to being the player he (and everyone else) knows he can be, as Jose has already tried to use positivity to motivate Shaw. If this fails Shaw will be moved on, and despite the leg break and Jose going public I will find it hard to blame anyone else for that other than Shaw.
Edit: Actually just seen the post above with Adkins comments on Shaw too. That's 4 managers now, and the Southampton set up in your quotes Pogue. Very worrying indeed.
21 year old boy?
He has not played since 3 years and when he actually looked good last year he got a career ending injury, it knocks out the self confidence of a person. and specially of young players who look up to seniors for help in the weak moment.
Well Pochettino started him in 22 games and 3 appearances from the bench the season we signed him. 1951 minutes, and I don't remember anyone making any noise about his inability to play matches then.
This. People bashing Mourinho can feck off. If a 21 year old player, on 100k a week, with so much potential can't be arsed to work hard then he can feck off to Rochdale.
Yes Still a Boy
Sorry but he's a 21 year old man, not a teenager anymore. Cop on.
We sure know how to pick them don't we.
Wonder when he ll turn into a man
Why always English Talents fail to walk the talk, Is it something about the culture?
If a 21 year old "kid", can't motivate himself, he is doing life wrong. No-one at that age bar exceptions should expect to have their hand held, that's what public school is for. He's a big "kid" with responsibilities.
When he returns from a winter in the woods, having hunted wolves with his bare hands.
You know it's far more nuanced than this, right? He's a 21 year old who's come back from a serious injury, with limited game time and this is pretty much the third time Mourinho has hung him out to dry in the media.
It sort of reminds me of Andreas Pereira under van Gaal who never played him and when he did play for the U21s he pissed about it because he was frustrated with his treatment. Loads were sure he had a rotten 'workrate and motivation issues' too - but look at him thriving in a foreign country when he actually gets a chance to play.
You're saying he's lacking this towards youth but he's trusted and persevered with our other young lads so its bollocks.
Rashford, Lingard, Jones get picked because they work their arses off despite mistakes. If Shaw isn't he doesn't deserve to be here, thats nothing to do with mentoring but minimum expectations.
Martial and Mkhi have learnt they needed to up their effort, why is Shaw incapable?
Jose should not be benching players who try for those that dont. Simple
Ah, the old Spartan mentality, that'd sort him out.
Come back with your shield or on it.Not really, if the manager is calling out his work rate and attitude at training then there is obviously something seriously wrong with the players attitude. I can't understand this thing about defending young English players at all costs, no wonder the NT achieves feck all.
Not Critisizing Mourinho Here ,Nither supporting Shaw over lack of commitment , But Mourinho must play a Mentor's Role Rather than being a Judge.
Something in the Southampton air? Look at Lallana.
If anything, this thread has made me feel younger. Apparently I'm a child, feck my responsibilites.
If Jose worked in an office he'd just be seen as a shit-stirrer who doesn't hide the fact.
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