Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"

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When he's actually played I haven't seen a worse player than Darmian at all. He was fine at the start of the season and most fans were happy with his comeback too (given the circumstances), until Jose started moaning about him and then suddenly everyone thought he was shit.

I'm happy to stand by Jose's opinion if he thinks he isn't good enough, but throwing him under the bus like this the season after a horror injury is bang out of order in my book. If nothing else it diminishes his transfer value considerably this summer. Not to mention it really doesn't help Luke get the best club and deal possible for his career, does it?
 
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CS@SG said:
I saw many in this forum call 24-year-old Pogba who has been to CL finals, WC finals and who has never had any career ending injury, boy, and he needs more patient, love, more time, so that he can perform to his proper standard.

Yet, I saw many of the same people asking a 21-year-old who just recovered from a career ending injury to man up, train and play like a man. And, he got injured not because he went for a drink at night or he speeds, he got that farking injury while he was playing for this farking club.
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Maybe Luke needs to take one look at Antonio Valencia for how to come back from an injury and showing application.
 
I wouldn't want to get rid of him altogether, I think a season out on loan might help though. He doe need being told, even LvG wasn't happy with his fitness. The thing is we've got him till 2018 (19 if we keep him for another year). If we sell him this season we sell someone who has 2 years on his contract, if we try to sell him next season we have someone who'll be free to talk to clubs in 6 months time. If the manager thinks there is little hope of change, flog him this season.
 
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He's had more than one warning shot from Mou though - this sounds like final chance saloon from Mou to Shaw.

Although you do have to add Mou is quite inconsistent in his comments about shaw as just the other week he was pivotal to Mou's plan next year
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Mourinho didn't say now that he's gonna sell Shaw, did he? Think is there are some fans who went from one extreme to another. There maybe a middle ground here that Mourinho just ain't happy with Shaw's commitment in training & trying to push him. And Mourinho is shutting the journos down for asking about Shaw non stop when it's clear that it's answered time and time again: train when, beat your competition & you have game time. Getting call up to England NT by no merit wouldn't magically give you game time. Not forget Mourinho would be very pissed right now with how we got Jones & Smalling both injured during their time with England NT.
 
Watch him sign for Everton for peanuts now and become the best LB in the league.
 
If Shaw's not working hard enough that's his own fault and I've no problem with Jose coming out and saying it.

Form, lack of confidence after injury etc are understandable. Lack of effort isn't. If he can't be arsed applying himself I've no idea why people are rushing to protect him. The club can't allow a culture to develop where lazy players can get away with it.
 
Did Van Gaal every complain about Shaw having attitude or commitment problems? He criticized him being overweight over the summer and not maintaining his body. Sort of like Higuain last summer when he gained a lot of weight. Am I missing something?
 
flappyjay said:
A seasoned pro like Falcao took 3 seasons to look anything near what he is capable of from his horrific injury and people expect shaw to be anything resembling the high potential youngster we saw at the beginning of last season? The only player to I know to have came back from a horrible injury like that and look as good as he did pre injury was Antonio Valencia.
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Shaw's was a leg break. Valencia and Falcao suffered more complicated injuries involving their ankle and knee. Valencia broke his leg and damaged his ankle and in Falcao was also rushed back. I don't recall any mentions of Shaw damaging any joints.

Shaw also has youth on his side. It's easier to recover that muscle loss and fitness while your body is still growing.
 
I'm pro Mourinho but he really does seem to like arguing with his own players nowadays. This is not the first time he's attacked Shaw in public and it's happened with numerous other players too.

Also fwiw Shaw's attitude in training was singled out for praise by one of his teammates recently so someone isn't being honest.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Maybe Luke needs to take one look at Antonio Valencia for how to come back from an injury and showing application.
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Which injury? The one in 2010/11, that he missed 30 matches? or the one in 15/16 that he missed 26 matches. How many season Valencia took to come back to his current form now? And I have lost count how many had complaint that "AV seems lost it after his injury".
 
Mou at Chelsea on Shaw:

“If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead,” he said. “We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room."

I'm sure this might have something to do with it. I know we are a much larger club financially but i'm sure he is on more than some regulars. If his attitude stinks because he one of the highest paid players for his age - United are largely to blame.
 
CS@SG said:
Which injury? The one in 2010/11, that he missed 30 matches? or the one in 15/16 that he missed 26 matches. How many season Valencia took to come back to his current form now? And I have lost count how many had complaint that "AV seems lost it after his injury".
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Valencia swept all the club awards after breaking his leg. His comeback season was superb.
 
Shaw's always been shite. Never got the hype. We need RB and LB replacements urgently in the summer - the two most important positions we need to strengthen. It's the reason we aren't scoring. Attacking with 4 players and expecting to win?! Are we fecking mental?!
 
Jose didn't break up Shaw apropos of nothing, he was asked a direct question and gave a direct answer.

Louis Van Gaal spent 2 seasons saying 'my captain shall play' no matter how shite he was, that must have been poisonous from a discipline point of view. There's nothing wrong with Jose saying you need to work your arse off to get, but also stay, in this team.
 
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Which injury? The one in 2010/11, that he missed 30 matches? or the one in 15/16 that he missed 26 matches. How many season Valencia took to come back to his current form now? And I have lost count how many had complaint that "AV seems lost it after his injury".
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The broken and dislocated ankle against Rangers. He was back the same season. It might have taken something out of him as a winger, hence now a fullback, but he has never given up. I am not saying Luke has at all. I think he just needs to make sure he puts the effort in and prove the manager wrong.
 
Camilo said:
Shaw's always been shite. Never got the hype. We need RB and LB replacements urgently in the summer - the two most important positions we need to strengthen. It's the reason we aren't scoring. Attacking with 4 players and expecting to win?! Are we fecking mental?!
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City attacked with 10 million yesterday and didn't win.
 
Being young and suffering a bad injury 18 months ago are hardly valid reasons for displaying a lack of committment, a failure to focus and training poorly for an extended period. He has one of the best, most-lucrative jobs in the world, the very least he can do is display a modicum of professionalism.

After presumably months and months of private pleas and reprimands, Mourinho has now decided to castigate Shaw publicly. Those who would criticise Mourinho for this should perhaps consider the fact that nothing else has worked and Shaw has about 5 weeks left to save his United career. Maybe this embarrassment will give him the kick up the arse he badly needs.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The broken and dislocated ankle against Rangers. He was back the same season. It might have taken something out of him as a winger, hence now a fullback, but he has never given up. I am not saying Luke has at all. I think he just needs to make sure he puts the effort in and prove the manager wrong.
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Hardly, IIRC he was immense when he first came back. He just turned into a shite winger randomly a while later for some reason.
 
sugar_kane said:
Jose didn't break up Shaw apropos of nothing, he was asked a direct question and gave a direct answer.

Louis Van Gaal spent 2 seasons saying 'my captain shall play' no matter how shite he was, that must have been poisonous from a discipline point of view. There's nothing wrong with Jose saying you need to work your arse off to get, but also stay, in this team.
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Which is why our captain is being phased out. Jose will not be sentimental with this lot.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
Shaw was playing great under LvG before he got injured. So did Rashford, Martial, even Smalling. Mourinho is a cancer, everyone knows it, yet you guys can't face the truth for obvious reasons.
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The opposition posters do post some absolute tripe here from time to time. Did Jose shite in your soup or something?
 
Womp said:
Hardly, IIRC he was immense when he first came back. He just turned into a shite winger randomly a while later for some reason.
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You are right. He had to have an operation didn't he and it has improved him, not to his previous obviously.
 
NK86 said:
The opposition posters do post some absolute tripe here from time to time. Did Jose shite in your soup or something?
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Pep boys and losing CL finals to his Inter team.
 
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Luke Shaw is yet another kid who got burnt out by hype. We talk of him as if he is a great left back and yet, there's little evidence show on the pitch to provide that.

In my opinion, United need to revamp their approach with kids. I am all in favour of us signing kids but those kids should be loaned elsewhere and never return until they actually proven themselves. That's what Juventus do and it gives the impression that you need to back up your hype with substance before wearing the famous red shirt
 
Funny that many posters are siding with the manager on Luke Shaw's attitude (and not abilities) and still Shaw fanboys seem to believe that caf somehow hates him and have no patience.
 
devilish said:
Luke Shaw is yet another kid who got burnt out by hype. We talk of him as if he is a great left back and yet, there's little evidence show on the pitch to provide that.

In my opinion, United need to revamp their approach with kids. I am all in favour of us signing kids but those kids should be loaned elsewhere and never return until they actually proven themselves. That's what Juventus do and it gives the impression that you need to back up your hype with substance before wearing the famous red shirt
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This was discussed in that thread created a few days ago about youth and wonderkids, I'm of a similar opinion and said as much in there too. It's a matter of if you're good enough, go out and prove it. If they are, they gain valuable first team experience and if they aren't, it'll become evident.
 
Maybe after this we shouldnt go for young promising future world class players anymore. I cant remember anyone turned good since Ronaldo and Rooney.
 
It's obviuos that Shaw will left us in the summer. I'm pretty sure about that. It's something like Memphis - misspend talent, tonnes of talent...
 
Sometimes when you pay a kid massive wages too soon it goes to their head and they relax thinking they have made it instead of pushing on and trying to get better and better. Not saying this is Shaw but it's happened before.
 
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Mou at Chelsea on Shaw:

“If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead,” he said. “We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room."

I'm sure this might have something to do with it. I know we are a much larger club financially but i'm sure he is on more than some regulars. If his attitude stinks because he one of the highest paid players for his age - United are largely to blame.
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He is on 130k a week as far as i know. Considering he has showed nothing so far, on the contrary and a guy like Jesse Lingard will sign now a 100k a week extension at 24 you might have a point.
 
Calling someone a cancer. Jesus Christ.. has the guy been banned already?
 
Womp said:
Two different managers now have questioned his mentality, with LVG basically calling him a fat ass. Maybe he just doesn't want to be here? He is a Chelsea fan, isn't he?
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LVG never called him a fat ass, only the caf did. LVG questioned England's staff and the fitness work they did during the WC, he also said that he needed something different from his fullback and that required huge stamina.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Funny that many posters are siding with the manager on Luke Shaw's attitude (and not abilities) and still Shaw fanboys seem to believe that caf somehow hates him and have no patience.
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I'm sorry but how can anyone blindly side with Mourinho, a man who unfairly ousted a player in the last couple of years citing attitude problems?

Yes, he is our manager and we have to support him but im not convinced because of his history.
 
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Sometimes when you pay a kid massive wages too soon it goes to their head and they relax thinking they have made it instead of pushing on and trying to get better and better. Not saying this is Shaw but it's happened before.
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By all accounts, Shaw's focus was on the massive wages before he even started earning them. Hence his move to Chelsea fell down, despite growing up supporting them. United have been far too loose with their spending since Fergie retired, if you ask me. This could well be an example of reckless spending biting us on the arse. Apart from anything else, the transfer fee we spent on this kid was one of the most ridiculous in the history of football.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
By all accounts, Shaw's focus was on the massive wages before he even started earning them. Hence his move to Chelsea fell down, despite growing up supporting them. United have been far too loose with their spending since Fergie retired, if you ask me. This could well be an example of reckless spending biting us on the arse. Apart from anything else, the transfer fee we spent on this kid was one of the most ridiculous in the history of football.
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It was a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a young left-back. You probably paid double what you should have to be honest.
 
It's a bit like the Wilfred Zaha situation. Looked good at Palace, manager there said he was a great lad. Sir Alex signs him then leaves. Moyes for some reason ignored him, even though he looked pretty good in pre-season. Ends up back at Palace starts looking good again and now playing for Ivory Coast as an international. Palace saying what a great lad he is and he is being linked with another big move. If he goes it will be interesting to see if he performs at a higher level or if he is someone who thinks getting the move is enough and he doesn't need to work hard any longer. Maybe OT and the expectations motivate some players to get better while others it stifles and suffocates them.
 
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