The Likes of henderson and Lallana's and clyne's are shining under Klopp who is a mentor and not a judge. Mourinho has to take this approach with shaw.
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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Yep, a player who isn't committing himself in training would look great in Klopp's team. One in which he requires 100% effort from all his players and he runs them into the ground.
Or maybe he was forced to do some growing up by moving somewhere away from his mates and out of his comfort zone?
People will spin all this whichever way they want, depending on how much faith they have in the manager. All we know for certain is that the traits Mourinho is criticising Shaw over were present long before he started managing him.
He won't. He followed his way all his career and I don't see him changing.
Btw did Klopp act as mentor for Skrtel and Sakho too? Skrtel sort of called him dickhead.
José constantly throwing players under the bus this season and claiming conspiracy theories while conveniently deflecting any blame from himself is another low for him.
Just sell the lot of them if he is not happy with them, there is no need to be immature about it.
This is the José I know, only wants finished goods. I'm sure there will be a manager happy to take these "unfinished" good off his hands.
Just sell the lot of them if he is not happy with them, there is no need to be immature about it.
This is the José I know, only wants finished goods. I'm sure there will be a manager happy to take these "unfinished" good off his hands.
And what about defending a manager whose current track record on recent issues like this suggests he's almost always the one in the wrong?
By the way, I'm not a fan of the medium used by Mourinho but I have nothing against him "abandoning" Shaw. Shaw has been around Mourinho for 9 months now and he has to know what Mourinho expect from his players, so if Mourinho can't get through him there is no point pursuing.
Lets see, Martial forced his way back into the team, albeit is still playing a bit shit but is still in and around the team because he's comitting himself, same with Mkhitryan, same with Carrick and Rojo. Who from our current team has he questioned who hasn't worked their way back into the team? Even fecking BFS worked his way back in for a few games ffs.
Probably because they don't become men until into their mid to late 20s, according to some...
The high tempo of Klopp's team? Luke would collapse in a heap by half-time.
I haven't been following your posts, but it seem you are one of those weirdos with a bug up your arse about Mourinho being our manager. Sad!
Hearsay that he isnt commiting himself. LVG never said such things about him and during the summer Shaw did extra work to get fit after his injury.
Whatever has changed since then has clearly got something to do with his relationship with the manager IMO
I would have thought the club would have supported him after such an injury but it seems to be he is being forced out
Mourinho isn't asking him to set the world on fire, he's asking him to put more effort in training. Injury or not, he should at least be able to show proper effort in training. If he isn't then that's his loss, there are people finishing medicine school and heading into tough engineering jobs at his age and he can't be arsed to train harder on 100k a week? Don't understand why football players get babied up so much. Mikhi and martial put the work in and were praised, hell schweinsteiger got mourinho to apologise on national television, if shaw was making an effort but struggling mentally because of the injury he would not be getting publicised comments like this.
I don't think Jose has done anything wrong. He's tried the 'arm around him' style and it obviously hasn't worked so now he's decided to go a bit harder and let him know a few home truths...
I suspect he just doesn't have the right attitude to make it. Talent won't get you there without hard work and maybe he doesn't want it enough. I don't think the long injury break and living in a nice big house with your three best 'freeloading' mates has been a big help to him. He doesn't look in good shape for a footballer and he certainly doesn't seem to have anywhere even close to that fast pace he had pre-injury.
I suspect he just doesn't have the right attitude to make it. Talent won't get you there without hard work and maybe he doesn't want it enough. I don't think the long injury break and living in a nice big house with your three best 'freeloading' mates has been a big help to him. He doesn't look in good shape for a footballer and he certainly doesn't seem to have anywhere even close to that fast pace he had pre-injury.
As has been mentioned, we've already agreed that Jose is talking bollocks, backed up by the 3 other managers who said he wasn't fit or needed "extra attention" in the past. Wonder what Shaw did to all of them to fall out too.
Former Southampton manager describes handling Shaw
“I’d only play him half an hour at a time in the Premier League,” Nigel Adkins told Sky Sports in May 2015. “I was maybe getting some questions asked of me but we knew Luke couldn’t play a full 90 minutes. He was still 17 and very young. He even struggled to play a full 90 minutes in the Under-18 team.
“We had to spend a lot of time looking after Luke because he was very young and there were the off-field things that go with that. We had to put a special group together just to help him develop his all-round lifestyle and give him an opportunity to deal with the situations that arose.”
Southampton's Luke Shaw slides in on Robin van Persie
A professional 'athlete' can't play 90 minutes in under-18 match.. ffs!!
Maybe he is a fragile young kid, who is having a hard time dedicating his youth to football?
You don't have to be mature and responsible at 21 ffs, i sure as hell am not.
Mourinho's treatment of Shaw, seems to be the opposite of what Shaw really needs. Therefore i can't see him staying here.
You don't have to be mature and responsible at 21 ffs, i sure as hell am not.
Mourinho's treatment of Shaw, seems to be the opposite of what Shaw really needs. Therefore i can't see him staying here.
I'd rather give a manager the benefit of the doubt than give Shaw baseless,unwavering loyalty and affection. He has proven nothing since joining almost 3 years ago, but I guess the anti-Jose agenda of some here is too strong.
Pretty much this.
Everyone wanted to know why Shaw was out of the squad, now we do, and somehow it's Mourinho's fault.
They all said he worked hard in training. Regardless of if he wasnt fit coming back from the off season
I think people need to stop reading so much into comments from Mourinho, sure the comments don't look good. But he often phrases things in strange ways, and with a journalist looking for a headline and adding their own flavour its easy for things to be misconstrued.
You can see it on the pitch though. On the rare occasions he's stepped onto it. You don't have to rely on what somebody says when it's so evident he's out of shape. This all came from after the Fenerbache game when he was absolutely horrendous and could not get up and down the pitch.
Do you work? I'm the same age as Shaw and if I didn't give my all at work and I got fired it wouldn't be my manager's fault for not putting "an arm around me". If that's the sort of player he is, that's fine, but he should move to a club that is okay with a lack of effort and mediocrity.
It's the same in every fan forum tbh - nobody on forum sees player every day in training, nobody on forum knows the player personally or knows what they are really like, etc. yet you have fans ignoring this and even being annoyed at a manager who does know all those things telling them that a player isn't doing what is required of them yet the manager gets grief.
No loyalty. Its clear as day he was going to have a difficult season after his injury and this seems like a bit of a shame everyone is turning against him. And its being driven by the manager
This is how I see it as well. I doubt very seriously that this was his first option.
Besides that, looking as Shaw, he's signed onto a contract that pays him very well to train and play football. If he's not putting in what is required in training, after awhile he deserves what he gets. Laziness is a cancer in a team and needs to be cut out.
Go back a few pages and read what LVG actually said, he said he wasn't fit enough to do what he wanted from a player. A professional athlete who isn't fit enough to play his position is being professional is it? Also the Southampton manager saying he couldn't finish 90 minutes of football in under-18 games, is also the traits of a player in tip-top shape, is it? My apologies.
He's a professional athlete getting paid ridiculous money, there is no shortage of footballers, if he doesn't want to do the minimum required of him, he will be replaced just as in any other aspect of life.
I'm sorry, but saying calling him out is bad is a bit lame. He was asked the question, a question a lot of fans would have asked and have been asking. Including myself. I like Shaw, I think he's a good player but if he's not producing on the training pitch or is lacking effort/desire then he's only himself to blame. We're no where near good enough to be able to carry players due to a lack of desire.
Also, we're talking about professional footballers here. Some of you defending Shaw or having a go at Jose because he called him out in public need to get a grip. He's been supportive of him in the past and clearly nothing has changed. Time for a change in approach to try get the penny to drop, if it doesn't then you move him on and get someone in.
Also, we're talking about professional footballers here. Some of you defending Shaw or having a go at Jose because he called him out in public need to get a grip. He's been supportive of him in the past and clearly nothing has changed. Time for a change in approach to try get the penny to drop, if it doesn't then you move him on and get someone in.
This was coming back from the off season. Why dnt you quote what LVG said a few weeks after that. Or does it not fit the narative
Reading between the lines, it does seem as though all of Shaw's problems re discipline and attitude are what he gets up to away from the training pitch. A professional athlete has to realise that the hard work is 24/7.
To be fair to Shaw, being forced to train on his own for so long will have been really tough. But it does seem as though he slipped into bad habits during his rehab.
Seems so
It should never be an issue in the first place, he's a professional footballer. It's only understandable he'd get fitter as the season goes on, that's hardly rocket science. It irked me when Rooney did similar and it irks me when Shaw does too. They're investments, they're paid to be at their best and fit.
No. It is not that everyone hates him here. Some people want to believe the manager and some think manager is having an agenda or just plainly lying for whatever reason.
If he improves from this and becomes a superb LB, I believe most of the caf will be super happy.
So much written for Shaw.
A lot of people support more the ones who don't play, rather the ones who work hard and get to play.
Do you really think if he was so good in training, Mourinho will keep him off? And people will keep shut.
It's clear he's not up to scratch.
A lot of people support more the ones who don't play, rather the ones who work hard and get to play.
Do you really think if he was so good in training, Mourinho will keep him off? And people will keep shut.
It's clear he's not up to scratch.
My point is about what was said about his application in training...
Public humiliation of a player is a cowardice act and only serves to shift the blame away from the manager. From the player's perspective, or any employee for that matter, it's one thing to receive criticism from your manager one on one, and another thing to see the criticism aired in public like that. There's no coming back from a public humiliation most of the time. Mourinho could simply sell him in the summer, but he chooses this route for his own gain. All in all i think mourinho is doing a good job, but i still think he's a terrible human being.
Just like Bastian didnt work hard in traning too right?
He applied himself, that's all good and well, why is it that we're at the end of the season and Jose is still asking him to apply himself though? He's doing himself no favours, we're in no position to be holding player's hands and having passengers in and around the team.
He will be gone in the summer
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