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Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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That's him off in the summer then. Leg break, mental problems, whatever else is irrelevant now, we need players to help us win games and if Shaw isn't going to do that we need to replace him. He's had plenty of chances and bar about 5 games 2 years ago he has never looked up to it.
Bailly said City already were, apparently even made a bid. But he said he chose United because Mourinho.
Generally not a fan of managers throwing their players under the bus. Doesn't send a good message to the rest of the squad.
On the other hand if he is half-arsing things in training it is a shame and he needs to pull his thumb out of his ass and give it his all.
This is probably much ado over nothing and he'll be back in good shape next season.
On the other hand if he is half-arsing things in training it is a shame and he needs to pull his thumb out of his ass and give it his all.
This is probably much ado over nothing and he'll be back in good shape next season.
You can't really see Luke Shaw coming back from this with Mourinho, it's disappointing because he's shown he has the talent. You also get the impression he could go somewhere else and become that very good fullback he was supposed to be.
I don't know if I trust Mourinho enough to take his word for it on Shaw, the whole episode is just massively disappointing for us regardless.
I do wish he'd stop being so critical of our players in public, I'm sure it's to get a response from them but you just can't see that type of management being sustainable?
I don't know if I trust Mourinho enough to take his word for it on Shaw, the whole episode is just massively disappointing for us regardless.
I do wish he'd stop being so critical of our players in public, I'm sure it's to get a response from them but you just can't see that type of management being sustainable?
In other words, we are sooo getting a left back next season.
Throwing players under the bus like this does absolutely no good. Good luck to Shaw in his future since there is no way he stays after this season.
Crazy to think we're on the verge of selling the most talented full-back in the country.
Keep Shaw, sell Jose!
Mourinho tried to sign Shaw when he was Chelsea manager, he didn't sign De Bruyne. Mourinho never complained about the attitude of De Bruyne he didn't get a game because Oscar was ahead of him. Shaw has almost no competition and multiple managers have publicly criticised his poor attitude/discipline.
Nothing else has seemed to work with Shaw. Last roll of the dice, light a fire underneath him and if he can't provide a reaction to this and show some fight he shouldn't be here anyway.
So according to this thread if Shaw isn't good enough (and apart from 8 or so games before his injury he hasn't been) it means Jose is evil and a young players performances is never their own responsibility.. the youth circlejerk on here is real holy feck.
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People saw and believed what they wanted to.
Firstly, this thread is pretty entertaining.
I will say that these comments are disappointing from Jose. He might be lighting a fire under Shaw but it's likelier that he'll be gone in the summer.
I didn't even think that Shaw was playing badly this season. But he's noticeably timider (is that a word? Autocorrect says no). since the accident.
I will say that these comments are disappointing from Jose. He might be lighting a fire under Shaw but it's likelier that he'll be gone in the summer.
I didn't even think that Shaw was playing badly this season. But he's noticeably timider (is that a word? Autocorrect says no). since the accident.
Maybe not, but you've got to think that Jose is at the end of his rope with the kid. It's not as is Jose ripped him publicly as a first option. He's essentially been out of the team all season. Despite what many may think, Jose is no fool. He's a tremendously experienced and successful manager. I have no doubt that he's tried all sorts of things to get the recation that he wants. Shaw obviously isn't stepping up. Jose's top priority is winning. If he felt that Shaw could help the team win, he'd be in the squad. He's clearly displeased with Shaw's work ethic and commitment level. As it relates to the particulars, we're all just speculating. Personally, I suspect that Shaw is quite immature with an inflated sense of entitlement. Whatever the case, I'm trusting the manager on this one.
LVG said so many things that you had to filter out a lot of the crap. I do, however recall Luke was our best player by a distance in the weeks before the leg break.
I think José is 100% questioning his commitment on the pitch, wasn't he furious that Luke shook hands and spoke with some of the Bournemouth players after the draw? Then he was all smiles himself congratulating Tony Pulis after the match on Saturday?
Mourinho has been looking for any excuse to have a go at Shaw, after the defeat against Watford in September, for having the audacity to be injured for the fixture against Swansea in November and now timing this to distract from our/José's own failings after a poor, poor performance and result inwhich Luke played no part.
I hope there's a way back because I can picture him developing into a brilliant player at Spurs or somewhere, but José is too stubborn, I just can't see it happening.
And Manchester United are one of the biggest most prestigious clubs in the World. The players we sign are almost always players who excelled elsewhere. So it does not make sense that the issue is that our players do not have the required work ethic or competitiveness. We have the ability to sign players who are already on the top or close to the top. Shaw is a player who forced his way and became undroppable at a very good Southampton side at only 17. It takes a strong mentality to accomplish that. Was he lazy back then? Did he come here and then become lazy? I feel like it is way too simple of an answer.
At this point what does it accomplish? All it does is put the final nails in the coffin of his United career. And I doubt it will galvanize the rest of the squad.
He was asked a question on Shaw so he obviously answered it? How is that detracting from the loss, one in which was thoroughly discussed in the presser. If we are taking something that both Jose and LVG have criticised Shaw for as false, then fair enough, but I'd take more validity from the opinion of two managers of our club than rumours created on an online football forum.
Whether or not there's a way back is down to him, if he was half as good as people on here seem to think he'd be playing every game. Jose has nothing against the kid, he wanted him at Chelsea, if he disliked him or whatever the conspiracies are, he would have sold him, not held onto him and spoke about how he knows how talented Shaw is and how he wants him to improve.
He's been here for nearly 4 years now and has had a similar number of performances for us that would warrant calling him one of the best talents in his position. A lot of kids look like worldies when they come onto the scene but amount to nothing. The leg break is terrible and I understand people react differently but using Valencia as an excuse, he came back from his leg and had the season of his life for us. I genuinely just think Shaw doesn't have the mentality to make it here and he won't be the last. A lot of players look great in smaller teams but can't make the step up, Depay being another example.
After the debacle of his brother tweeting etc, seems like something is quite right here.
I really thought Shaw was being kept back for next season and this season was about getting him prepared for that, looks like I could be wrong.
I really thought Shaw was being kept back for next season and this season was about getting him prepared for that, looks like I could be wrong.
What a f**king disaster this whole sorry saga is.
Shaw was comfortably looking like our best outfield player prior to that horror tackle, he was the natural LB we've needed since Paddy left and was young enough to be the long term fixture.
...now, although a year out of the loop is never a easy to come back from, it's almost like he's given up. His drive has gone and it looks almost inevitable he's off in the summer.
If his attitude is that lousy, then this public mauling from Jose won't help.
Say what you want about LVG but he was terrific with the younger players, Jose on the other hand seems to lack the patience to suffer fools gladly.
Such a shame, Luke could have been phenomenal for us.
Shaw was comfortably looking like our best outfield player prior to that horror tackle, he was the natural LB we've needed since Paddy left and was young enough to be the long term fixture.
...now, although a year out of the loop is never a easy to come back from, it's almost like he's given up. His drive has gone and it looks almost inevitable he's off in the summer.
If his attitude is that lousy, then this public mauling from Jose won't help.
Say what you want about LVG but he was terrific with the younger players, Jose on the other hand seems to lack the patience to suffer fools gladly.
Such a shame, Luke could have been phenomenal for us.
Jose never gave KDB a chance because he never really liked him and kept criticizing him behind the doors for having poor attitude in training. Pretty well known thing. Same with Shaw, Jose even threw him under the bus after the defeat to Watford when the whole team was shit.
Who are these multiple managers?
LvG even when he criticized Shaw for being unfit always played him when he was not injured, because he was aware of the talent and a half fit Shaw is better than most left backs in the league. Shaw worked his ass off in the 2015/16 preseason to really improve and respond to LvGs criticism.
How would you know he was criticising KDB if it was behind closed doors? It's not as if Mourinho has ever had a great problem with publicly criticising his players and there's a few high profile examples, his comments on Shaw are just the latest so I don't see why KDB would be spared if he genuinely wasn't impressed with his attitude.
LVG did not always play Shaw when wasn't injured, you realise in his first season at United he started 16 games? That was after he was publicly called out for being overweight and unfit.
Mourinho has no agenda vs Shaw, he tried to sign him as Chelsea manager so he clearly rates his talent but the attitude and discipline is clearly lacking.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...chelsea-training-to-prove-jose-mourinho-wrong
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ys-angry-Jose-Mourinho-sold-Kevin-Bruyne.html
Shaw was injured for lengthy spells in the first season, so missed quite a few games due to that. Mourinho also complained about the wage Shaw is getting when he was at Chelsea if I'm not wrong, so there has always been something between them IMO.
It may not accomplish anything, but it might. I suspect that it's a relatively last effort to try to turn Shaw around and get the reaction he wants. If it works, great. If not, then there was likely no salvaging the kid. Who knows? Maybe he's already past the point of no return. As for the impact it may have on the squad, I'm not worried about that. If the players are so prescious that they can't handle Shaw being called out publicly after what seems to be nearly a season's worth of substandard commitment, then our problems run deeper than one player. Let's not forget, Jose isn't the first manager to take issue with Shaw's professionalism. LVG also stated publicly that he needed to train harder and be in better shape. I'm all for setting a high standard and culling the squad of players either not good enough or not committed enough to meet it. We need players who make football and winning their number one priority...players who will bleed for the cause, so to speak. Shaw just doesn't seem like one of those.
Thought it was obvious he was going to get sold for ages now. He clearly has major attitude problems, and won't be the first young and talented player to leave us due to mentality issues. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the Championship. Talent alone isn't enough in the EPL. Maybe a move will help re-focus him but I think he just needs to grow up and mature.
Only criticism of Jose's comments is that it will reduce Luke's price. He wasn't making comments to sting Shaw into an improvement. But it sounds like Jose is just so disgusted and exasperated with Shaw that he couldn't restrain himself from venting. But self-restraint has never been one of Jose's strong points. Demanding 100% in training is.
Only criticism of Jose's comments is that it will reduce Luke's price. He wasn't making comments to sting Shaw into an improvement. But it sounds like Jose is just so disgusted and exasperated with Shaw that he couldn't restrain himself from venting. But self-restraint has never been one of Jose's strong points. Demanding 100% in training is.
Thing is natural talent, there is no doubt that he has it. Application, commitment to fulfill that potential is another matter. Ravel Morrison was touted as our best academy player ever under SAF, but never made it. That's ahead of Pogba. You have Danny Drinkwater in an odd season winning the title with Leicester while Ravel still moving around to different league or lesser teams, yet really getting enough game time. Shaw may not have bad boy character, but so far seems like not impressing Mourinho enough.
Shaw was not injured he was overweight and deemed unfit to play. Mourinho has won everything in the game and been surrounded by champion players his entire career, he knows what it takes to reach the elite level so if he sees a poor attitude I trust him 100%.
So who are thise world class left back under Raiola and Mendes now?
Really hard to believe that Shaw's attitude is lacking. But then again, it doesn't really matter; Jose is the manager and if he perceives that to be the case, there's no future together.
Shaw will find a decent club that will pay him handsomely too, playing for a club of United's stature takes more than talent (ambition, luck). He'd go down as unlucky in my book.
Shaw will find a decent club that will pay him handsomely too, playing for a club of United's stature takes more than talent (ambition, luck). He'd go down as unlucky in my book.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/luke-shaw/verletzungen/spieler/183288
Missed a total of 120 days in the 14/15 season due to injury according to transfermarkt.
He had two hamstring injuries and a Mallealor injury in his first season here.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/luke-shaw/verletzungen/spieler/183288
edit @Terminator beat me to it
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/concerns-over-shaws-fitness-date-124952784.html
You can add Roy Hodgson to the list of managers who have publicly expressed concerns about Shaw's fitness.
You can add Roy Hodgson to the list of managers who have publicly expressed concerns about Shaw's fitness.
They all hate Shaw and he's really committed as feck, or something.
Mourinho didn't buy Luke Shaw. He's a player he inherited. I still believe Shaw has great talent and potential but if the manager doesn't rate his work ethic and application in realizing it then I'll back the manager in this instance.
This is Mourinho's United. I'm more than willing to give him longer than a year or however long it's been since he took over to judge the players he inherited and shape the squad as he sees fit.
This is Mourinho's United. I'm more than willing to give him longer than a year or however long it's been since he took over to judge the players he inherited and shape the squad as he sees fit.
Have there any more complaints since 2014 or before 2014 about him being overweight and unfit? Or is it just one summer?
He even hired a personal trainer in 2015 preseason to keep himself fit.
Edit1: Ran out of posts for the day, in reply to @kundalini, most of our team was shocking in the first half against City including Mkhi, Lingard and Pogba. Jose criticized Shaw in public after the mistake against Watford, which is incredibly harsh IMO. Defenders make mistakes, especially 20 year olds who are coming after a year long iniury.
Also Shaw was absolutely fine in the first few games before City, barely had any trouble.
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Well Mourinho has clearly been unhappy about something this season. Worth remembering that Luke Shaw started the first 5 PL games. He was first choice then he got dropped. That doesn't fit the narrative that Mourinho has something against him, beyond a performance issue. Shaw got completely destroyed by Navas in the first half against City, though did recover in the 2nd half. The speed at which he closed down his man prior to Watford's 2nd goal was highlighted by Mourinho afterwards.
That leg break was critical. It looks like it's time to move on.
was that from Weightwatchers or Slimming World?
In all seriousness though, I think the lad is talented and am not sure of his mental strength but it needs to be strong when dealing with "tough love" from Jose.
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