Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"

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roonster09 said:
Your Anti English bias is shining brightly.
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No anti English bias. I am a big supporter of Rashford and Lingard. I just think the likes of Smalling, Jones and Shaw lack the United quality. They're mid-lower table level players. Darmian isn't a brilliant player but if he left tomorrow, I could see him at somewhere like Juventus or Roma. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player to me.

Shaw on the other hand wouldn't start for any of the Top 6. Southampton was about his level.
 
Jaybomb said:
No anti English bias. I am a big supporter of Rashford and Lingard. I just think the likes of Smalling, Jones and Shaw lack the United quality. They're mid-lower table level players. Darmian isn't a brilliant player but if he left tomorrow, I could see him at somewhere like Juventus or Roma. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player to me.

Shaw on the other hand wouldn't start for any of the Top 6. Southampton was about his level.
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Yeah because Darmian is on the same level as Alves or Lichsteiner and Blind is on the same level as Umtiti or Alba.
 
Jaybomb said:
No anti English bias. I am a big supporter of Rashford and Lingard. I just think the likes of Smalling, Jones and Shaw lack the United quality. They're mid-lower table level players. Darmian isn't a brilliant player but if he left tomorrow, I could see him at somewhere like Juventus or Roma. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player to me.

Shaw on the other hand wouldn't start for any of the Top 6. Southampton was about his level.
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Jaybomb said:
No anti English bias. I am a big supporter of Rashford and Lingard. I just think the likes of Smalling, Jones and Shaw lack the United quality. They're mid-lower table level players. Darmian isn't a brilliant player but if he left tomorrow, I could see him at somewhere like Juventus or Roma. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player to me.

Shaw on the other hand wouldn't start for any of the Top 6. Southampton was about his level.
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You might not have anti English bias but you're full of shit. You might not mean to be but you are. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player? Ffs.
 
Luke Shaw has "no excuse" for not being in the right condition to play for Manchester United, says former England defender Danny Mills.
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"I think Mourinho has had enough and thinks he can't let this attitude poison any youngsters or drip feed into others," added Mills.
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It is understood Mourinho has not spoken at any great length to the 21-year-old since Shaw was caught talking to a Bournemouth player by his manager during half-time of the recent ill-tempered clash at Old Trafford.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39485789
 
Maybe the showdown talks were to hand a transfer request in? I wouldn't blame him if he did. He must know by now he has no future here. He can talk all he likes to Jose but he must walk the walk and show in training more effort than our other LBs.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
You might not have anti English bias but you're full of shit. You might not mean to be but you are. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player? Ffs.
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How does he not? He has the passing, composure and game reading to be a Barcelona player.

Clearly you're just blindly supporting average players.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
You might not have anti English bias but you're full of shit. You might not mean to be but you are. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player? Ffs.
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Maybe not as a starter, but Blind could definitely be a great squad player for Barcelona. He's arguably the greatest passer in our squad (apart from Pogba and maybe Carrick) can play out from the back and is composed on the ball.
 
Womp said:
Maybe not as a starter, but Blind could definitely be a great squad player for Barcelona. He's arguably the greatest passer in our squad (apart from Pogba and maybe Carrick) can play out from the back and is composed on the ball.
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Greatest passer. If he's the greatest passer apart from Pogba (I'll give you Carrick) lol ffs. This is a team that used to have Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs. David Beckham. Only Scholes. Could pass like Barca.
Giggs as great as he was was not able to do that. More Madrid.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Greatest passer. If he's the greatest passer apart from Pogba (I'll give you Carrick) lol ffs. This is a team that used to have Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs. David Beckham. Only Scholes. Could pass like Barca.
Giggs as great as he was was not able to do that. More Madrid.
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Ye because Umtiti and Alba are as great at passing as those players? :confused:
 
noodlehair said:
It's not changed. He either needs to get his act together or get lost. Same that applies to any player who can't even get themselves fit or focused enough to be considered.

The only thing I don't understand is why he's such a sympathy case to some people on here. It's as if the leg break somehow means it's less important he show the level of commitment or character needed. If anything it should make it more important.

He can turn it around in my eyes as long as he's still here, but he has a lot of turning around to do.
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Well, he's got a larger turning radius than many.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
He's arguably the greatest passer in our squad (apart from Pogba and maybe Carrick) can play out from the back and is composed on the ball.

You said it. Not me
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You then went on to state a player had to be comparable to Scholes to be able to play for Barca? I gave you examples of players in their defence who aren't better passers than Blind.
 
Womp said:
You then went on to state a player had to be comparable to Scholes to be able to play for Barca? I gave you examples of players in their defence who aren't better passers than Blind.
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That isn't what I said. Show me were I said a player had to be like Scholes to play for Barcelona?
You said Blind is the greatest passer in the squad apart from Pogba and maybe Carrick
 
Billy Blaggs said:
That isn't what I said. Show me were I said a player had to be like Scholes to play for Barcelona?
You said Blind is the greatest passer in the squad apart from Pogba and maybe Carrick
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Billy Blaggs said:
This is a team that used to have Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs. David Beckham. Only Scholes. Could pass like Barca.
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Apologies if that's not what you meant, but that sentence didn't make much sense, that's what I took from it
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Did I say he was for sale. But no way are Barca after Blind.
Mata. You made his name come up no one else.
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No one knows who's after who. All we can do is listen to the media and the media said they were after him. So take that for what you will.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
The media spout shot all the time. City are signing Messi and were signing Neymar. It's bullshit.
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Blind to Barcelona is hardly clickbait.

And if Digne, Umtiti, Mathieu etc can all play for Barcelona, why do you think Blind couldn't?
 
MadMike said:
Yeah, you see, if you can't be bothered to check your facts before you type you better not type, because you type something wrong and then look like an idiot. Like you just did.

You talk about complete games. You know how many games he started and played more than 70mins in last year? 15. This year? 17 already.

Oh and you know that post I typed that started this:


Well, I was wrong because on last years total minutes they counted the minutes for the U23 squad in the Premier League 2 and Youth Europa League which were a total of 686'. So the total first team minutes last year were 1415' and he's on 2.162' so far. Which out of our all attacking players, is 3rd only to Ibra and Mata. More than Mkhi, Martial, Lingard, Rooney.



You don't know that. Maybe, maybe not. This side-discussion I was having with Roonster that you stepped in was about whether he's shown faith and trust to Rashford. Not ifs, no buts, no coconuts about scenarios that can't be played.



Another body language expert at the cafe :rolleyes:
And even if we somehow take your marvellous understanding of body language at heart, do you know why he might be frustrated? Could it not be that it's because he has missed a lot of chances (easy too) this season and he's frustrated with himself for not scoring more? Does it have to be at the amount of play-time he's getting or his manager? Are you a mind-reader on top of a body language expert?

And he's not getting bits and parts of matches we've already established that.

Please feel free to respond if you feel he need to have your "final say". But as your posts seem to be ignoring facts (altering them, even) and projecting your own opinion on body language, I think I'll choose to ignore them from now on.
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Fine by me. Cheers
 
Luke Shaw is back in @ManUtd squad after talks with Mourinho this morning. I guess Shaw has to prove he is worth his place.
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Hopefully the public dressing down was finally the wake up call he needed.
 
Jaybomb said:
Blind to Barcelona is hardly clickbait.

And if Digne, Umtiti, Mathieu etc can all play for Barcelona, why do you think Blind couldn't?
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Because Blind has decent passing, not much more, is composed on the ball but lacks defensive awareness and lacks all sorts of physical attributes. Umtiti may not be Pique in terms of skill on the ball, but he is more physical. Alba came up - well, he's fast as feck and thus carries out a vital attacking role as well as being able to track players defensively. Blind couldn't do either. He could be a decent squad option for Barca, which I agree. Also, certain players fit certain teams without being good enough for others.

For instance, Terry was awful when Chelsea played a high line (who would have thought), but he was great the season after. Blind would also struggle if we played a high line, whereas Smalling and Bailly would thrive on it.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
You might not have anti English bias but you're full of shit. You might not mean to be but you are. Blind looks like a typical Barcelona player? Ffs.
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Nothing controversial in that statement. Barca was interested on Blind before, and since then Blind has only become better.

Probably he wouldn't start, but I think that he could get plenty of matches as part of rotation for Umtiti and Alaba.
 
Jaybomb said:
Darmian and Blind are better LBs than Shaw anyway. Only a biased England fan would say otherwise. On the global scale, those two are certainly better.
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Shaw has been shocking this season, but we saw that he is a good player (for those 4 matches last season). We haven't seen anything from Darmian to suggest that he is a better left back than Shaw (although I think that Darmian is a good defensive right back, but sadly offers nothing in attack).

Blind is better than Shaw as left back, but Shaw should be able to surpass him. However, he hasn't been taking his chances and in three years here he has stagnated.
 
noodlehair said:
It's not changed. He either needs to get his act together or get lost. Same that applies to any player who can't even get themselves fit or focused enough to be considered.

The only thing I don't understand is why he's such a sympathy case to some people on here. It's as if the leg break somehow means it's less important he show the level of commitment or character needed. If anything it should make it more important.

He can turn it around in my eyes as long as he's still here, but he has a lot of turning around to do.
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Its probably partly that unfounded sympathy that provides him some justification for his tardy approach to fitness and attitude. He reads stuff like this and thinks 'the fans have my back' which perpetuates the situation.
 
Womp said:
Maybe not as a starter, but Blind could definitely be a great squad player for Barcelona. He's arguably the greatest passer in our squad (apart from Pogba and maybe Carrick) can play out from the back and is composed on the ball.
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"Maybe Carrick"?? I'm a Blind fan but come on.
 
Whether it's Shaw, it's Lingard, Martial or Mkhitaryan, a player has to listen to his coach and do everything he can to be in the team.

Let's remember that during his first year LVG criticized during the US tour Shaw's fitness and during the year he was constantly injured.

It's absolutely not new that the boy has issues with his body and his off field preparation.

It' also true that another manager like Fergie could have be more protective and would have used him more efficently than Mourinho, but Mou is not a coach that wants this mentality.

He wants instant winners and player able to represent him when called.

Shaw is not ready to be a killer, to be the best. He needs to think that he's not the best around anymore and even a 30 year old winger is playing ahead of him in his position.

I still rate his potential as the best in the country (and I think that he has more talent than Rashford) but his mentality seems to be wrong
 
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