I don't know what happens in training so I can't comment. However, I have seen Shaw play this season, most recently vs Bournemouth, and I thought he played decent enough to get more minutes. I'm not sure of the logic to just give up on Shaw and sell. He could move on and become one of the best LBs in England. Why would a manager give that potential away?
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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What is going on with Luke Shaw and Jose Mourinho is a complete mess and it is to the detriment of the team/club as a whole.
In the OP and I am not questioning it, we read:
"Luke Shaw? It’s difficult for him to be on the bench because I cannot compare him with Ashley Young, with Darmian, with Blind” and "I cannot compare the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition. I cannot compare. He is a long way behind."
Yet in March it was:
"In practical terms we have lots of left-backs. It doesn't look like it but the reality is that [Daley] Blind, Shaw, [Marcos] Rojo, Darmian are all playing left back and can play there. They are different players.
"I think the one that should be in the couple of years the best of all -- because potentially he should have all the conditions to be the best of all -- is Luke Shaw”
However I appreciate only the week before Mourinho apparently said Shaw had dropped down to 4th choice left back (mentioned in same article).
http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...ds-best-left-back-in-the-future-jose-mourinho
Mourinho to me rates Shaw but seems unhappy with his attitude and professionalism. After all Shaw did start the first five premiership games of this campaign; which to me suggests he was the intended first choice left back. However he then lost his place.
It seems some of the discontent started following the defeat against Watford When Mourinho was openly critical of Shaw’s marking (or should I say not marking) when he held Shaw accountable for Watford’s 2nd goal. Shaw was subsequently substituted; yet on the Monday it appeared he had a groin injury – apparently Shaw was unhappy that the injury was not highlighted publically by Mourinho yet his fault in the 2nd goal was.
I appreciate there was previous negative comments regarding Shaw’s wages by Mourinho when Shaw was at Southampton and Mourinho was at Chelsea. I am just talking whilst both at United.
Anyway whatever the reason/s it is clear something is going on that is preventing Shaw from being our 1st choice left back – whether it his attitude, focus, commitment… or if it is interpersonal between Shaw and Mourinho.
I still believe Shaw has the ability to be a top class left back and if sold can be a great player for another club. Yet something is lacking and not right behind the scenes; particular when we read the last quote from the OP "I cannot compare the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition. I cannot compare. He is a long way behind."
It’s down to Shaw to regain his status as a top class left back whether at United or elsewhere. Otherwise he may just regret how his career unfolds.
In the OP and I am not questioning it, we read:
"Luke Shaw? It’s difficult for him to be on the bench because I cannot compare him with Ashley Young, with Darmian, with Blind” and "I cannot compare the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition. I cannot compare. He is a long way behind."
Yet in March it was:
"In practical terms we have lots of left-backs. It doesn't look like it but the reality is that [Daley] Blind, Shaw, [Marcos] Rojo, Darmian are all playing left back and can play there. They are different players.
"I think the one that should be in the couple of years the best of all -- because potentially he should have all the conditions to be the best of all -- is Luke Shaw”
However I appreciate only the week before Mourinho apparently said Shaw had dropped down to 4th choice left back (mentioned in same article).
http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...ds-best-left-back-in-the-future-jose-mourinho
Mourinho to me rates Shaw but seems unhappy with his attitude and professionalism. After all Shaw did start the first five premiership games of this campaign; which to me suggests he was the intended first choice left back. However he then lost his place.
It seems some of the discontent started following the defeat against Watford When Mourinho was openly critical of Shaw’s marking (or should I say not marking) when he held Shaw accountable for Watford’s 2nd goal. Shaw was subsequently substituted; yet on the Monday it appeared he had a groin injury – apparently Shaw was unhappy that the injury was not highlighted publically by Mourinho yet his fault in the 2nd goal was.
I appreciate there was previous negative comments regarding Shaw’s wages by Mourinho when Shaw was at Southampton and Mourinho was at Chelsea. I am just talking whilst both at United.
Anyway whatever the reason/s it is clear something is going on that is preventing Shaw from being our 1st choice left back – whether it his attitude, focus, commitment… or if it is interpersonal between Shaw and Mourinho.
I still believe Shaw has the ability to be a top class left back and if sold can be a great player for another club. Yet something is lacking and not right behind the scenes; particular when we read the last quote from the OP "I cannot compare the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition. I cannot compare. He is a long way behind."
It’s down to Shaw to regain his status as a top class left back whether at United or elsewhere. Otherwise he may just regret how his career unfolds.
Shut up Meg.
this is just embarrassing. Lol
We need more posts like that tbf, the caf has gone too soft these days
I like this hypothesis. Is it possible to buy real leaders though? For one thing, they're well embedded in their current club and may not want to leave, and there's no guarantee they'll A) care about their new club and B) deal well with the transition from big fish in a small pond to medium fish in a big pond.
Zlatan has had a lot of contact with Pogba, apparently keeping his ego in check as you can see in a video or two, but I'm not sure it has helped.
Yeah, I tried to find potential leaders but they are all tied to bigger and better clubs. It would be nice if Real Madrid had a Makélélé to spare or if Inter had a Zanetti.
This is a terrible attempt at wumming.
Carrick, Rooney, Valencia, De Gea, Smalling (nearly 7 seasons) are supposed to be doing this. Rooney is England and Man Utd captain and someone they all look to. There isn't many other ex United players still playing who could help in that regard.
Obviously I don't know them but from the outside they don't really look or sound like proper leaders. Do you think that any of them would be leading a locker room containing Makélélé, Ramos, Seedorf or Messi?
Jose has some sort of war against talent that isn't benefiting us at all. Shaw, Mkhitaryan and Martial should've all been first choice players through the season yet hes managed to pick some sort of fight vs all of them. Its getting really frustrating.
That was Van Gaals doing. Didn't Van Persie go from being his favourite, to out of the club over just one disagreement?
Looking up to Rooney says it all really. For both United and England. He's not a leader.
I'm always left disappointed when players talk up his leadership. It certainly doesn't look like he's had any impact on the likes of Shaw, Memphis and Januzaj. I would doubt he's helped Martial, Lingard and Rashford either. I think he's too wrapped up in himself and his own brand to be keeping an eye on the youngsters in the dressing room.
Shaw is very young. He will be the best english lb since ashley cole.
While I'm willing to put a part of the blame on LVG and/or Moyes, we should also look at the team SAF left. All the leaders had the same age and were going to leave the club soon and around the same time. Our team building has been an institutional failure more than the failure of a man.
Funnily enough, our situation is incredibly similar to the one the Stade Toulousain is facing in Rugby.
Your post is a total mess.
Dunno then. Put your specs on and try again, maybe?
Not a bad idea.
He'd get the exercise but DeGea would have necked the donuts long before Shaw got anywhere close.
dont think there was any disagreement, just he chose Rooney his new main striker. then binned RVP, Hernandez and Wellbeck
I don't know but we are talking about guiding young players and not superstars. Also Rooney seems to be insanely respected through the football world. I don't see how Xavi is more of a leader than Carrick and he was Barca captain for a while.
I don't agree with many of @Whiteside's Onside's points but that series of responses about newbie system is a load of bullshit.
Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's wrong. The new system is better otherwise the only way to get to the mains is to conform to what's popular and that censors the forum.
Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's wrong. The new system is better otherwise the only way to get to the mains is to conform to what's popular and that censors the forum.
The case of Shaw is actually a good example about how Rooney isn't a leader. Shaw was unfit with England at the WC, Rooney had to know it and he also knew that Shaw was going to join his club but Shaw said that "He didn't come into United thinking that he would be much harder", a leader would have told him.
During the Handball WC some journalist asked the young players how it was possible for them to fit that easily and they simply answered that the older players check everything, how they eat, how they train, how they act, everything. So when they join the team, the younger players know exactly what the standards are.
Also from the little I know that's how players like Makélélé, Thuram, Keane, Maldini were, they would guide younger players by making sure that they understand the standards.
You can make a whole squad of players that Mourinho didn't like/alienated that would beat the crap out of us.
But yay, at least he might get us the 5th place this year
But yay, at least he might get us the 5th place this year
Were you hoping that we would win the PL with this team then?
I'm not hoping to win any serious title with Mourinho.
Damn.
Martial a long way behind Mkhi, Rashford and Lingard.
Luke SHaw might just have saved his Man Utd career. Lol
Well he won us the game
Except like, you know, the way we drew the game
Won us a point
Wow.
He was pretty awful until he won us the penalty. Slow, poor crossing, poor passing. Fortunate to get the penalty.
Pure ability wise he is a long way ahead of Young , Blind , Darmian.
It was refreshing to see a proper LB after ages on the pitch. Good cameo
It was refreshing to see a proper LB after ages on the pitch. Good cameo
Great tackle to stop a certain goal. Done pretty good, hope he gets a long run of games.
Didn't think he was great at all to be honest until he won the penalty. His crossing was awful and he kept coming infield when we were attacking rather than look for the overlap and stretch them wide. His crossing is shockingly bad, but he's in strong company with our squad.
Has there ever been a side as bad at crossing that attempts as many?
Has there ever been a side as bad at crossing that attempts as many?
Jose's speaking about him in length now .. more harsh-ish words
- More or less said Shaw lacks footballing brain even though he has the potential
- Easy to get rich now as footballers and people get rich too soon. Need to change some things
- Shaw played today in a reactive way towards his instructions.
- Man Utd can't wait for anyone.
- Will help Shaw develop at United but let's see
- More or less said Shaw lacks footballing brain even though he has the potential
- Easy to get rich now as footballers and people get rich too soon. Need to change some things
- Shaw played today in a reactive way towards his instructions.
- Man Utd can't wait for anyone.
- Will help Shaw develop at United but let's see
Doesn't sound good, but was clear from the initial comments Shaw doesn't have a future here.
Interesting- any link?
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