I'm fine with all this though, because we've all learned recently that Jose's magic number is two, so if he's wronged someone once, he just can't bring himself to do it the second time. Clemency for Luke is right around the corner.
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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And that's where the lack of a clear plan by the club is costing us.
I said on the other thread - if you want quick results - bring in a Jose and buy him ready made players. If you want the nurturing youth and such bring in an LVg or someone like him - but if that's taking too long for them, then don't waste money buying Shaw, Martial or promoting a Rash ford. Just forget all that.
Now we've spent all that money and have these players and are mishandling the whole situation.
Should have just got Jose in the first place and give him his ready made stars and leave these kids in their environment to develop properly. Now every time Jose is under pressure he'll blame them. Not fair to these young players, and actually a big fault of the club for having no clue as to what they want.
From the Man Utd sub Reddit:
Shaw does have some big titties alright.
That worked out well for him tbf. Does seem strange that he needs to do stuff like that to keep up with his team-mates fitness levels. Reminds me of Steven Ireland and his MMA training. That worked out well for him too, although evidently wasn't sustainable.
christ...
I know right? It's downright hilarious.
I think Shaw had every right to ask for a face to face, mind you. The rest of it is mental.
You keep on giving.
Hopefully the meeting will be the catalyst to Shaw smashing it on the pitch and not in the canteen.
Mou should put a trial of donuts from Manchester to Southampton. He'll get the message
What on earth are you babbling about?! Please tell me you're being sarcastic because that's just nuts.
Shaw has been poor on the few opportunities he has got for sure. I dont see how Joses choice of words could possibly help the situation. It was very public sharp and personal public criticism and I can't see it motivating him.. It will knock a few million off his already diminished transfer fee in the summer.
Well that doesn't sound good. Promising player too. Be pissed if we lost yet another young, English talent. Unless Jose is doing this for a reaction. If so, Shaw needs to fecking wake up.
I hope Shaw has called a meeting. It can only be a good thing. If Jose's mind is already made up then he's gone and the meeting won't make a difference, but it at least shows he gives a sht and if Jose has even an inkling to give him a chance, it might make up his mind.
Also, he does deserve a face-to-face talk following such comments.
Also, he does deserve a face-to-face talk following such comments.
That wouldn't attract much attention
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He was at lowry, so probably in the 18. He requested the meeting as per all the newspapers.
"long way behind....."
starts next game.
Genius
starts next game.
Genius
Yeah, you see, if you can't be bothered to check your facts before you type you better not type, because you type something wrong and then look like an idiot. Like you just did.
You talk about complete games. You know how many games he started and played more than 70mins in last year? 15. This year? 17 already.
Oh and you know that post I typed that started this:
On Saturday he exceeded last season's minutes (2.162' vs 2.101') and we still have a minimum of 12 games to play till season end.
But you know, Mou doesn't really trust youth and he's got it in for young players, just look at Shaw and how he's blah blah blah...
Well, I was wrong because on last years total minutes they counted the minutes for the U23 squad in the Premier League 2 and Youth Europa League which were a total of 686'. So the total first team minutes last year were 1415' and he's on 2.162' so far. Which out of our all attacking players, is 3rd only to Ibra and Mata. More than Mkhi, Martial, Lingard, Rooney.
You don't know that. Maybe, maybe not. This side-discussion I was having with Roonster that you stepped in was about whether he's shown faith and trust to Rashford. Not ifs, no buts, no coconuts about scenarios that can't be played.
Another body language expert at the cafe
And even if we somehow take your marvellous understanding of body language at heart, do you know why he might be frustrated? Could it not be that it's because he has missed a lot of chances (easy too) this season and he's frustrated with himself for not scoring more? Does it have to be at the amount of play-time he's getting or his manager? Are you a mind-reader on top of a body language expert?
And he's not getting bits and parts of matches we've already established that.
Please feel free to respond if you feel he need to have your "final say". But as your posts seem to be ignoring facts (altering them, even) and projecting your own opinion on body language, I think I'll choose to ignore them from now on.
If Jose didn't give a shit and had his mind made up about selling him, he would have said nothing like he's done with Schneiderlin, Depay or Schweinsteiger in order to not decrease his selling value. It's obvious he's trying to get a reaction out of him. Whether he'll get the right reaction, it remains to be seen but it seems that he's at the end of his tether with Luke. So if the reaction is bad it will seal his fate and if it's good it might kick-start his career here.
Completely personal opinion here, but I expect Shaw to look for an exit. It'll be easier for him to go make a fresh start somewhere else with less pressure on him and under a lesser disciplinarian of a manager, than work his way into Jose's good books here. Hopefully that will be a loan exit, or one with a buy-back clause in case he recovers his fitness and form. It might be the best for both parties, actually.
In other threads there are calls for the team to commit more, that the team are soft, that players are lacking commitment. As soon as the manager calls one out on it (remember Smalling earlier in the season?) then it's the wrong thing to do. Love the caf.
Do you think that Porto Alegre need a left back?
It is an interesting psychological snapshot of the levels of vicarious emotional attachment to players that some fans develop. If you slate the player, you're slating the fan because of his emotional connection to hoping that player does well. Really interesting way to support the club by making ones'self upset and argumentatively want to duke back over it.
It is up to Luke and Jose has made it that way. Similarly from the proverb that the worker who looks busy and then makes sure his boss sees him and when his boss says to him "you're not putting in 100%" he lashes out and shreds the manager. Unbeknownst to the manager that all along he knows how well his player was working and knew that prodding him would provoke that response and not an uptick in his form. It is all about mentality.
Seems that Valencia may be missing tomorrow's game. If so, I expect Young and Blind to start with Darmian and maybe Shaw on the bench.
Just read Nev's take on the Shaw situation. Can't say I disagree with anything he said. Would still love Luke to excel at United. I've always had a soft spot for English fullbacks.
Doesn't really seemlike mourinhos language when he's trying to sell a player, esp one with a year left on contract. Seems like he's really trying to get him to buck up to me. Why would he give it all of this if he was trying to sell him
I have been fighting against arguments like that this whole season on here. It is really too simplistic to say the issue is our player are too soft or lack commitment.
Yes but in the end Smalling had a broken toe and it made Jose look stupid in his comments.
I have no problem him telling Shaw that he has to improve to get his place back, its just the way his comments seemed a bit too personal to be helpful for me. Maybe I am wrong and he will put the burgers down and get a bit of fire in his belly now?
That'd be an annoying blow, the players really are dropping like flies at the moment.
I'm particularly salty, as a United defender is golden in the fantasy footy. An attacker, appalling, but a defender, golden!
It may be simplistic but there is some truth behind it.....did you watch Martials level of commitment on Saturday?
What makes you say this?
So you'd rather reward a player with bad attitude (apparently) over players with less ability?
After he successfully bullied him out of the club: I regret how I treated him.
Wasn't seen at the Lowry and though he could have travelled separately, if you look at the number of fullbacks in the squad (Young, Darmian, Shaw, Blind and Fosu-Mensah) it indicates he might not be there.
Well you've just shown why you'll never manage anything. You don't achieve anything by rewarding those who are idle and aren't willing to work hard.
It's quite incredible that so many of our fans turn against the manager and side with the player who isn't putting the work in, when our most successful era came from having players who worked their arse off and would run through brick walls to play for our club. You'd think everyone would be desperate to have more players of the right mentality in our team.
What is the benefit for Shaw of doing this publicly?
1. You talk to the player privately in one-on-one conversations.
2. You talk about it in a professional manner in front of the team.
3. You decide to let the player go, if he does not want to or cannot meet your demands.
What purpose does it serve to throw a sub-ordinate under the bus in public? It´s a poor management style.
1. You talk to the player privately in one-on-one conversations.
2. You talk about it in a professional manner in front of the team.
3. You decide to let the player go, if he does not want to or cannot meet your demands.
What purpose does it serve to throw a sub-ordinate under the bus in public? It´s a poor management style.
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