And probably be sent to the dungeon after a good game
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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Bet he has a bag full of snacks there.Shaw 'requests' Mourinho meeting
Luke Shaw is back in the Manchester United squad for Tuesday’s game vs Everton after a clear-the-air meeting with Jose Mourinho, according to reports.
The 21-year-old’s future looked bleak under the Portuguese after he was slated for ‘the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition’.
But, according to the Daily Mail, Shaw responded to being left out of Saturday’s draw with West Brom by holding a meeting with Mourinho at Carrington on Monday morning.
I'd be interested in @noodlehair opinion on this latest episode. To be fair, he's been a critic for a long time.
He could have already done this throughout the season.
Again, could have done this throughout the season.
For someone who cost us 30 million pounds, I'd rather he tried one final public way to get the player to cut the crap instead of letting him go.
But when has this ever worked? And is it sustainable to publicly call out a player every two months so he tries hard, when he´s paid millions to do his job.
Just say the others in his position have trained better and leave it open to interpretation what exactly that means. Also protects the value of Shaw, when you sell him. Which then benefits Mourinho as he gets more money to spend on his type of player.
1 year left on his contract, he's not going to be sold for over 10 million in all honesty.
Doesn't mean your method isn't correct though, no method can be classed right or wrong, Mourinho has just chosen this public method. Who knows maybe it will spark some fire into Shaw.
Who knows but one thing I do know is the last two managers have not been happy with him and publicly have said so. One talked about his condition and the other his attitude. For me both amount to a lack of professionalism.
I thought that he misunderstood the question and assumed that the reporter was asking how come he couldn't get more out of an English International player. Which is why he stated that another English International (Joe Hart), didn't also make the cut at City and was offloaded on loan to an Italian club.
One thing I've learnt this year is never right a player fully off, when the season started I thought Schneiderlin would be teachers pet and Blind and Mata were out the door, how things can change.
Yeah I think that sounds right, my comments were before seeing the interview.
Fergie is no longer here. People on here need to stop comparing everything to Fergie, those days are gone ffs. He's retired, move on with your lives.
Or maybe he does it at every given opportunity because in all honesty, he has criticised players on more occasions than all the PL managers combined. He is the only manager that has a issue with players once a month.
He's gone grovelling to Jose by sounds of it then. Good he should be telling the manager he'll walk through fire for him.
Still has to earn his place though as he hasnt shown anything to warrant strolling back into the first team.
Still has to earn his place though as he hasnt shown anything to warrant strolling back into the first team.
Good on the lad. Desperate for him to make it here.
Agreed. It took fergie 4 years to win things as well. I think Jose will get at least 2 years and possibly 3, and by then I think he will have won the league at least once. If this has happened he will probably stay for a bit longer.
Back in squad, doesn't really mean anything as someone with his apparent potential surely should be starting? I doubt he cares if he sits on the bench (and doesn't come on) or stays at home tbh
I really want to see him succeed so would hope he gets a chance - especially given Everton are without Coleman and an attacking LB should ease some pressure off Martial
I really want to see him succeed so would hope he gets a chance - especially given Everton are without Coleman and an attacking LB should ease some pressure off Martial
Seems to be his last chance, Jose would and should expect nothing less than his 100% effort tbf. Last thing we need is passengers in this team
Will be another massive blunder by Mourinho if he let Shaw go. I wouldn't be happy about it at all.
Hardly, he's given him another chance after a whole season of not putting in the required effort. If all of this can't rile him up and get a reaction out of him, he's never going to be the footballer everyone thinks he will be anyway. Maybe somewhere else with less expectation, but not here.
He probably has until the end of the season to prove he's not a lazy fat ass, or we would be looking for other LB's and rightly so.
I want the best players to play, and I don't really believe that this is all about bad attitude. Shaw must have seen what happened to Martial and Mkhi, and he's had the chance to learn from that, if thats what's been keeping him him out of the side for so long. For me it seems to be more about him not having the kind of mentality that Mourinho prefers. After seeing that he's back in the squad after having a meeting with Mourinho, it kind of confirms that suspicion.
How do you define best/ better players? Raw potential or performance?
If Shaw does eventually fail (I really hope he doesn't, I liked the way he was starting to play last season) we have to trust the manager that there is something highly unusual going on in the background. He's not just going to let a thirty million pound , 21 year old international footballer wind down his contract or leave for very little this season unless there's something very wrong with him mentally. I get the leg break and not so good return to the team probably didn't help matters but his leg should be ok now....
I don't like to see any United players fail, let alone highly promising young players but we badly need a threat from that side in the system we are playing so he has to step up or step aside. Lvgs transfers look so much more miss than hit right now but that's for another thread I suppose.
I don't like to see any United players fail, let alone highly promising young players but we badly need a threat from that side in the system we are playing so he has to step up or step aside. Lvgs transfers look so much more miss than hit right now but that's for another thread I suppose.
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So Mourinho has played a blinder yet again.
His message is much needed kick up the big ass that Shaw has, and he is now is is bricking it that he'll be sold, so motivated like never before to deliver.
Darmian and Blind are better LBs than Shaw anyway. Only a biased England fan would say otherwise. On the global scale, those two are certainly better.
So Mourinho has played a blinder yet again.
His message is much needed kick up the big ass that Shaw has, and he is now is is bricking it that he'll be sold, so motivated like never before to deliver.
You guys are always convinced Mourinho is playing some some 8 dimensional game of chess. And this means if Shaw plays well from now on Mourinho will get all the credit.
Yep, a manager publicly coming out and questioning his player's commitment, resulting in a meeting between the two, is for no reason whatsoever.
Your Anti English bias is shining brightly.
It's not changed. He either needs to get his act together or get lost. Same that applies to any player who can't even get themselves fit or focused enough to be considered.
The only thing I don't understand is why he's such a sympathy case to some people on here. It's as if the leg break somehow means it's less important he show the level of commitment or character needed. If anything it should make it more important.
He can turn it around in my eyes as long as he's still here, but he has a lot of turning around to do.
If he did start putting in more effort, you don't think this will have had something to do with it?
Why would it be a blunder?
What has he done in the 2.75 seasons he has played for us? 8 good games?
If you bought a player tomorrow for £30M and he has only 8 good games in 3 seasons, I would classify that as an unmitigated disaster.
To put it into context, Fellaini had more than 8 good games during the same time. And Anderson - yes that guy who needs an oxygen tank to play a match - had more than 8 good games for us.
Why is Shaw getting so much support, when he has been mediocre?
I do not know what his actual work ethic is it is all hearsay at this point. And I have not been disappointed by his effort in matches.
You're doing it wrong. They're allowed to be bad for about 6 seasons. Doesn't matter if we're terrible in those seasons either, it's all about looking to the future.
Combo of that. Not saying he's performed very well this year when he's had the chance, but it's not like his competitors with supposed superior attitude has done it either. His potential as a LB is a hell of a lot bigger than Darmian's or Young's. Having him on the sidelines for months is clearly Mourinho's way of solving these matters he's got for whatever reasons, and I'm not a big fan of it so far. Like with most things, no one would probably care about this if we were performing better than we have, but it's hard to give credit to Mourinho for pulling stunts like these when we're that close to having yet another disasterous season by our standards.
If anyone could give me some examples of players from Mourinho's former clubs, who's been through this same treatment, and who's then shined again under Mourinho, I'd love to hear about it.
Hazard and Arbeloa are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
Hodgson and Van Gaal criticised him at the same time. Not even sure why Pochettino is mentioned, he was 16/17 and needed to build himself up to play 90 minutes at senior level.
I agree, and the only reason I can muster is that private meetings weren't working and this was a last ditch throw of the dice to get a reaction.
Not an England fan here. I say Shaw is better than either Darmian or Blind at left back. He does however need to get back to playing at his best, as since his injury he's just not looked the same player.
I lost a lot of respect for Shaw.
Making all that money and not having the desire to improve himself. Horrible attitude going by the reports we're reading.
Making all that money and not having the desire to improve himself. Horrible attitude going by the reports we're reading.
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