Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"

[bucky]

On that particular point @Zarlak is our guide but I have been around Rugby players and I also read about Phelps diet and they don't eat or drink the right things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...calorie-diet-says-he-doesnt-eat-much-anymore/

The decrease in caloric intake could be due to a number of factors: He’s down to training two to four hours per day, Phelps said, from his five hours, six days per week average ahead of Beijing; he’s approaching 31, and no longer possesses a 23-year-old’s metabolism, as he did in 2008; and he’s making better food choices when he eats, in addition to cutting alcohol completely from his diet following a stint in rehab following a DUI arrest in 2014.

Seems like he changed his mindset. I'm aware of what Zarlak has said on here repeatedly about calory intake and I agree wholeheartedly. The point still stands, especially a professional athlete should notice the difference between eating healthy and junk food. Most likely there's also some deficiency of some kind, if he isn't eating the right things.

 

[We need an rvn]

Mourinho didn't say now that he's gonna sell Shaw, did he? Think is there are some fans who went from one extreme to another. There maybe a middle ground here that Mourinho just ain't happy with Shaw's commitment in training & trying to push him. And Mourinho is shutting the journos down for asking about Shaw non stop when it's clear that it's answered time and time again: train when, beat your competition & you have game time. Getting call up to England NT by no merit wouldn't magically give you game time. Not forget Mourinho would be very pissed right now with how we got Jones & Smalling both injured during their time with England NT.

Oh I agree he didn't say he was going to sell him, but there's only so many times a manager can give a player some public backing (especially when he's fit but simply not playing and we're playing Young / Darmian before him!). Something must have happened for him to change his stance a bit from he's suffered a knock in confidence and we're working on his defensive improvements to whast he's just said.

That to me suggests it's close to final warning time that's all. But I definitely think there's a fine line between public support and public "warning" as he's trying to fire Luke's belly for sure

 

[prtk0811]

He's more than likely finished here. He's behind Young and Darmian in the pecking order, with both of those players probably earmarked to leave. I give him a 1% chance of being here next season.

The fact is that aside from a few games last season, Shaw hasn't shown anything here, and has now been criticised for lack of professionalism by two managers.

It was a bad buy in hindsight.

Young and Darmian are bothleaving and we dont have a unlimited budget in the window ,its pretty expensive

 

[roseguy64]

Apparently Shaw's started doing additional training at home and Mourinho has been upset with him since he shook hands with Mings at half time at the Bournemouth game. Plus the comments about De Bruyne when he was proven to be wrong about him.

Not everything adds up here.

 

[bucky]

Apparently Shaw's started doing additional training at home and Mourinho has been upset with him since he shook hands with Mings at half time at the Bournemouth game. Plus the comments about De Bruyne when he was proven to be wrong about him.

Not everything adds up here.

Source would be great.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

On that particular point @Zarlak is our guide but I have been around Rugby players and I also read about Phelps diet and they don't eat or drink the right things.

Rugby players eat to bulk. Footballers don't. Or shouldn't. Especially footballers who have been called out multiple times as being lacking in stamina. At Shaw's age - and with the amount of work he is forced to do in training - it would be almost impossible for him to get fat. He'll turn excess calories into bulk quick enough, though (mainly on his arse, by the looks of things)

 

[Moonwalker]

We had to spend a lot of time looking after Luke because he was very young and there were the off-field things that go with that. It was a case of trying to integrate them and educate them. With Luke, we had to put a special group together just to help him develop his all-round lifestyle and give him an opportunity to deal with the situations that arose.

"You have to remember that he was 16 going on 17 at that stage. It's a big step and it's about maturity levels. All of a sudden, it's about eating right, how you conduct yourself and how you spend your time away from the training ground. The physicality of the training that is required every day takes time to develop."

You can read between the lines and construe 'bad apple' from that, if you were so inclined, but that's a pretty nebulous quote. Adkins voted with his team sheet from then on, quite unequivocally. Same goes for Van Gaal, who questioned the player's fitness in pre-season, but then made him a regular as soon as the show started. Even after the injury Van Gaal went on about trying to get Shaw fit for the Europa League final. To me, that's three managers, on the whole, trusting Luke Shaw.

Jose has other ideas.

 

[JPRouve]

Rugby players eat to bulk. Footballers don't. Or shouldn't. Especially footballers who have been called out multiple times as being lacking in stamina. At Shaw's age - and with the amount of work he is forced to do in training - it would be almost impossible for him to get fat. He'll turn excess calories into bulk quick enough, though. Mainly on his arse, by the looks of things.

You don't bulk because you eat, you bulk because of your training. And swimmers don't bulk but they eat more than most athletes because of the calories they burn swimming tenth of kms everyday.

 

[roseguy64]

Source would be great.

Source re: the training?
"The England left-back's last match came a month ago against Bournemouth when it is understood Mourinho was angered by the left-back speaking to an opposition player at half-time.

Relations have been frosty ever since and, despite doing extra sessions at home on top of United training, the future looks gloomy for the left-back - much to the bemusement of the player, along with some team-mates and staff."



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Shaw-told-pull-finger-out.html#ixzz4dCqjdTaJ
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[Drz]

So what you are telling me is that under LVG he played when the squad was decimated, while under Mourinho he has played more minutes even when the whole attacking squad was fit? And that's despite bringing in two more (Ibra and Mkhi) mature and accomplished attackers? And that shows that Mourinho doesn't trust him or play him enough, somehow?

What complete straw-man arguments.

Rashford has gotten a lot of game time under Mou, and received a lot of trust, despite our options up-front. There's simply no other way of seeing this, for me. I really don't understand how people interpret that differently.

You are conveniently taking what you wish from the post. I can't be bothered to go check, but the point I was making was that he had more "entire" games back then. Think minutes played to minutes available ratio. Also I think we'd have not even heard of Rashford under Mourinho if he hadn't made us fans dream a bit last year.

I am sorry I don't see this trust you are talking about, Rashford looks totally frustrated on the pitch lately and has essentially bits and parts of matches. Reminds me a bit of the Lukaku situation.

 

[roseguy64]

Regarding De Bruyne:
“It is true that he said that in the press, yes,” said the Belgian. “That I wasn't doing what was needed in training. It was easy to say that because there was no-one to check it – the training sessions were closed to the public. But everyone knows I am not like that.

“I never let anyone put me down. I say what I have to say, with respect of course. But at that moment, I couldn't do anything because he would have said I was lying and afterwards he would have used it. Did I ask for training to be done in public? I said it, yes, but not to him personally.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kevin-de-bruyne-wanted-chelsea-10024004

 

[Boycott]

Left back for the next 10 years

 

[roseguy64]

Could be Mourinho overreacting to Shaw being friendly with Mings whereas he was upset with Mings. He's been angry at Shaw since and could be a convenient excuse considering he's used it before with De Bruyne and Lukaku as reasons they were let go.

 

[Frank Grimes]

The fact that Mourinho questioned his focus says to me he is a definite goner in the summer. Also all our players are tracked in training/games so if the data comes back they are not working hard enough it can't be disputed.

Personally I feel Mourinho has already decided who he wants to replace Shaw and we will have a new LB in August.

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

Could be Mourinho overreacting to Shaw being friendly with Mings whereas he was upset with Mings. He's been angry at Shaw since and could be a convenient excuse considering he's used it before with De Bruyne and Lukaku as reasons they were let go.

It seems he's so bullheaded that when he makes up his mind, his ego won't allow him to see any differently. Apparently the rest of the coaches at Chelsea were shocked as they all saw De Bruyne training extremely well and tried to convince José he was ready for 1st team action but he didn't trust a young player.

I actually thought Luke was our outstanding player in the 1st half of that game against Bournemouth, we all heard the cheer when he crunched Surman with that tackle early on, there was no lack of commitment there.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You don't bulk because you eat, you bulk because of your training. And swimmers don't bulk but they eat more than most athletes because of the calories they burn swimming tenth of kms everyday.

You're being insanely pedantic here but I think you get my point.

Put two athletes through identical training routines and the only person who will gain muscle/weight is the one who has an excess of calories in/out. Which is why rugby players often have to eat whole packets of biscuits every day to hit their calorific targets and continue to pack on muscle.

Obviously, for a footballer who doesn't need to bulk and could ideally do with cutting a bit more weight, if anything, the biscuits are a very bad idea. Which brings us back to the rumours about Shaw's diet.

 

[Drz]

None of the other teams would have known much about Marcus Rashford, but his rise to fame has been so immense and sudden that now everyone knows about him. It was always going to be difficult for him this season, but Jose is still using him. He exploded on the scene and us as a club got plenty of publicity out of it. We have likely put him more in the spotlight than is ideal.

Agreed, but I was hoping he would at least contribute to 10 goals (either goals or assists) in the premier league, he got 5 goals and 2 assists last season in 11 games (whoscored). This season he has 1 assist and 3 goals, with more minutes played as has been pointed out. There are only 10 games left for him to at least match last year's stats.

But back to Luke Shaw, i guess it is about expectation, for Rashford I believed he could at least be involved in 10 goals, but with Luke my expectations were just a few glimpses of the potential he showed prior to getting that nasty injury. Is that unreasonable?

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

You're being insanely pedantic here but I think you get my point.

Put two athletes through identical training routines and the only person who will gain muscle/weight is the one who has an excess of calories in/out. Which is why rugby players often have to eat whole packets of biscuits every day to hit their calorific targets and continue to pack on muscle.

Obviously, for a footballer who doesn't need to bulk and could ideally do with cutting a bit more weight, if anything, the biscuits are a very bad idea. Which brings us back to the rumours about Shaw's diet.

The level of rugby we're talking about here plays a huge part in the validity of your claim there.

Amateur players, forwards particularly prob eat whatever they want but I've seen with my own eyes the diet of professional rugby players, there's certainly no room for packets of biccies in there, maybe peanut butter or nuts as snacks but that's between the constant balanced meals.

 

[JPRouve]

You're being insanely pedantic here but I think you get my point.

Put two athletes through identical training routines and the only person who will gain muscle/weight is the one who has an excess of calories in/out. Which is why rugby players often have to eat whole packets of biscuits every day to hit their calorific targets and continue to pack on muscle.

Obviously, for a footballer who doesn't need to bulk and could ideally do with cutting a bit more weight, if anything, the biscuits are a very bad idea. Which brings us back to the rumours about Shaw's diet.

I get your point, at the exception of very young players, Rugby players do not bulk up during the season, they maintain their fitness and often actually lose some weight at its beginning. Also Cardio training are very consuming, if Shaw was an avid runner, he would be fit and he could be eating a far amount of calories.

 

[Hugh Jass]

The fact that Mourinho questioned his focus says to me he is a definite goner in the summer. Also all our players are tracked in training/games so if the data comes back they are not working hard enough it can't be disputed.

Personally I feel Mourinho has already decided who he wants to replace Shaw and we will have a new LB in August.

I concur.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I get your point, at the exception of very young players, Rugby players do not bulk up during the season, they maintain their fitness and often actually lose some weight at its beginning. Also Cardio training are very consuming, if Shaw was an avid runner, he would be fit and he could be eating a far amount of calories.

Ok, cool. I think we understand each other. I remember Fletcher saying how incredibly difficult it is to put on any muscle with all the calories he burns in training (with hindsight, his illness was probably starting to be an issue too?) so when you see a chunky footballer like Shaw (or Anderson) then there will always be a suspicion they're not doing enough cardio or putting away far too much food (usually both)

 

[Catt]

Very clearly.

People are making shite up as they go along.

 

[djembatheking]

If Luke Shaw is genuinely doing all the right things and working his bollocks off in training I really can`t see Jose making these kind of comments . It would surely have a massive negative impact on his relationship with the rest of his players . They would all think he was a horrible cnut and would lose a lot of respect and trust in him just like any of us would if a young work colleague was singled out and was doing his utmost to work hard and be part of the team .

We all know Jose is no angel and plays all sorts of mind games but I am with him on this one especially with the comments of other managers that Shaw has played for .

 

[duffer]

Jose did this sort of stuff with Joe Cole and it worked. He was trying it with Loftus-Cheek before he got sacked.

He only bothers with this sort of thing if he thinks the player might respond. He won't even talk about the players he does not rate.

 

[stepic]

Jose isn't playing him because he hates young players, otherwise Rashford wouldn't be given the chances he had.

I had high hopes for Shaw but at this stage here's no reason not to believe Jose. Jose wants to win, and he will choose the players he feels will do that. If that isn't Shaw, then it's for the reasons he gave. All the rest is just bullshit conspiracy theories.

 

[bucky]

Source re: the training?
"The England left-back's last match came a month ago against Bournemouth when it is understood Mourinho was angered by the left-back speaking to an opposition player at half-time.

Relations have been frosty ever since and, despite doing extra sessions at home on top of United training, the future looks gloomy for the left-back - much to the bemusement of the player, along with some team-mates and staff."



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Shaw-told-pull-finger-out.html#ixzz4dCqjdTaJ
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Thank you.

 

[Sandikan]

It all sounds very ominous, but when someone like BFS can be absolutely dumped, yet still be able to work back into the squad and team, albeit at a very limited level, Shaw still has a chance.

Certainly needs to work like an absolute dog though, a big summer of effort, versus 3 weeks lounging on a beach in Miami

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Shaw 'requests' Mourinho meeting
Luke Shaw is back in the Manchester United squad for Tuesday’s game vs Everton after a clear-the-air meeting with Jose Mourinho, according to reports.

The 21-year-old’s future looked bleak under the Portuguese after he was slated for ‘the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition’.

But, according to the Daily Mail, Shaw responded to being left out of Saturday’s draw with West Brom by holding a meeting with Mourinho at Carrington on Monday morning.

 

[Damien]

It all sounds very ominous, but when someone like BFS can be absolutely dumped, yet still be able to work back into the squad and team, albeit at a very limited level, Shaw still has a chance.

Certainly needs to work like an absolute dog though, a big summer of effort, versus 3 weeks lounging on a beach in Miami

He's done that before though (working like a dog during summer). I've got no doubt he can do the same again this summer, but think his chance of staying has gone.

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

If Luke Shaw is genuinely doing all the right things and working his bollocks off in training I really can`t see Jose making these kind of comments . It would surely have a massive negative impact on his relationship with the rest of his players . They would all think he was a horrible cnut and would lose a lot of respect and trust in him just like any of us would if a young work colleague was singled out and was doing his utmost to work hard and be part of the team .

We all know Jose is no angel and plays all sorts of mind games but I am with him on this one especially with the comments of other managers that Shaw has played for .

I hate this. So called fans digging up old comments that Hodgeson made in 2014 as a stick to beat Luke with. The comments are being taken out of context completely too, Hodgeson and LVG had a disagreement as the England manager wanted Luke to play an u21's match to assess his fitness. Luke was happy to play it according to Hodgeson so no question of a bad attitude or lack of professionalism which every other post in here seems to imply... In fact after working with Luke for longer than the above Hodgeson said he believed he'd go on to emulate Ashley Cole who earned over 110 England caps.

Some on here have even been trying to make up stories that Pochettino criticised Shaw too just to justify José's behavior. Just last month José said Luke has all the attributes to be our best full back, so why is he now trying to humiliate him in public and as shown on here, turn our fans against Luke.

 

[Gerardo Islas]

I'm just assuming here, but I believe the problem with Shaw is that maybe he is scared to be injured again. I think that's what Mourinho is implying in the effort and commitment thing, that Shaw is not being as agressive as he used to be and as it's demanded for Mourinho.

If a player is scared on the pitch then he wont give the 100% and won't do what it has to be done to win a match. If Shaw get's back to be the beast he was before the injury, then he will be first choice.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He's done that before though (working like a dog during summer). I've got no doubt he can do the same again this summer, but think his chance of staying has gone.

When was that?

 

[AndyJ1985]

I hate this. So called fans digging up old comments that Hodgeson made in 2014 as a stick to beat Luke with. The comments are being taken out of context completely too, Hodgeson and LVG had a disagreement as the England manager wanted Luke to play an u21's match to assess his fitness. Luke was happy to play it according to Hodgeson so no question of a bad attitude or lack of professionalism which every other post in here seems to imply... In fact after working with Luke for longer than the above Hodgeson said he believed he'd go on to emulate Ashley Cole who earned over 110 England caps.

Some on here have even been trying to make up stories that Pochettino criticised Shaw too just to justify José's behavior. Just last month José said Luke has all the attributes to be our best full back, so why is he now trying to humiliate him in public and as shown on here, turn our fans against Luke.

Several people have criticised Shaw's attitude and yet all you can do is criticise Mourinho. Your agenda against him is boring.

 

[Jazz]

I don't think Under 23's is that beneficial to be honest (apart from maintaining match fitness).

Take a look at Mamadou Sakho for instance. He was languishing in the Under 23's in the first half of the season which doesn't do him any favors as it's not the league he wants to be competing and it didn't do Liverpool much good as his valuation was stagnant as well. Ever since he's moved to Palace on loan, he's looked really good helping them with 3 clean sheets in his first 3 matches and a commanding performance against Chelsea. This in turn helps increase his valuation price or gives Klopp the chance to keep him due to his good form.

This is a scenario that I think would be good for Luke Shaw. Go on loan to get further experience, increase his valuation if he performs well or if he performs really well, you will have saved yourself going into market for a left back for 5-10 years easy.

Yeah I don't say that they should spend their time in the Under 23s - but I think this season they would be better off getting some minutes there instead of not playing at all.
Next season we can send them on loan, but for the moment, they've wasted one whole year of their career hanging around the 1st team. It's ok to an extent, but you need to put into practice what you're learning.

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

Shaw 'requests' Mourinho meeting
Luke Shaw is back in the Manchester United squad for Tuesday’s game vs Everton after a clear-the-air meeting with Jose Mourinho, according to reports.

The 21-year-old’s future looked bleak under the Portuguese after he was slated for ‘the way he trains, the way he commits, the focus, the ambition’.

But, according to the Daily Mail, Shaw responded to being left out of Saturday’s draw with West Brom by holding a meeting with Mourinho at Carrington on Monday morning.

I hope this is true. Luke would have been absolutely right to be waiting in José's office first thing Monday morning to make him explain his comments face to face and that he expects to be back in the squad for tomorrow.

 

[Damien]

When was that?

The summer that he had a good start to the season before his leg was broken. He brought a trainer from the club with him during the off season.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...y-bid-return-sharper-pre-season-training.html

'I only had myself to blame last summer,' said Shaw. 'I didn't arrive at the club in the correct shape and things didn't go to plan. The manager told me his feelings and I totally accepted that.

'At a massive club like United you have to be at your best. But I learned and this season I feel much fitter, much sharper and I have the experience of a year at Manchester United behind me. The big difference is my fitness.

'Adnan and I decided to ask a member of the United coaching staff to come with us to Dubai and we paid his flights.

'He worked us in four sessions per day. We had a football pitch, a gym and an altitude trainer, we did beach runs too.

'The most important thing for me was to come back fitter pre-season.'

Shaw had a modest first season for United last time round after signing from Southampton. The 20-year-old made only 15 starts in the Barclays Premier League after suffering injury problems.

'I just hope I don't get any injuries this time,' he said.

'I think last season was frustrating because I was picking up little niggles every time I had a couple of games. Hopefully this time I can stay fit, get a good run of games and win a title at the end of the season.'

Asked if he has benefited from not playing international football for England Under-21s this summer, Shaw added: 'Yeah, definitely. I have come back to this pre-season in much better shape than I did last season. The rest has done me really well, the trip to Dubai helped also and I feel good.'

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

Several people have criticised Shaw's attitude and yet all you can do is criticise Mourinho. Your agenda against him is boring.

I doubt he'll lose any sleep over what some the top quality fans on here are saying. This same fans were prob having a go at Hodgeson back when that happened, now that they want to vilify Luke they're changing their opinion 3 years later.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Early team news vs Everton
Shaw’s final chance?


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7:40 PM - 3 Apr 2017

 

[Thepinhead]

You're being insanely pedantic here but I think you get my point.

Put two athletes through identical training routines and the only person who will gain muscle/weight is the one who has an excess of calories in/out. Which is why rugby players often have to eat whole packets of biscuits every day to hit their calorific targets and continue to pack on muscle.

Obviously, for a footballer who doesn't need to bulk and could ideally do with cutting a bit more weight, if anything, the biscuits are a very bad idea. Which brings us back to the rumours about Shaw's diet.

Well physical fitness or stamina is a major factor within football. More so than strength. Strength is good for sprinting but in football at this level your fitness numbers have to be extremely good not only so that you can make it through the match but also to keep your concentration levels high all the time.

The way you calculate your fitness number is O2/kg. So to increase your fitness you either have to increase the amount of oxygen pr minut that can go through your lunges or you have to lose weight.

And since Mourinho always talks about shaw not being fit he is basically saying that shaw is either not working hard enough during training or that he is not taking enough care of his diet.

These players are often being measured and testet especially those who aren't playing regulary. I'm sure that the fitness coach has a diagram saying how many minutes you can effectively play when you are within certain levels of fitness. And shaws fitness number is probably below what is required to play atleast 70 minutes and I think that is why Mourinho won't give him any playing time. He needs to get his fitness numbers up to standard and keep them there for a longer period to prove himself to Mourinho.

 

[Gerardo Islas]

I hope this is true. Luke would have been absolutely right to be waiting in José's office first thing Monday morning to make him explain his comments face to face and that he expects to be back in the squad for tomorrow.

Mmm I think that would be a wrong approach. I would go into his office first thing Monday morning to tell Mourinho that I'm ready to die in the field for him.