Perhaps there is a bit of an issue with motivation or discipline but that tweet doesn't tell the whole story either. van Gaal also praised him for being one of the most hardworking players after that and Mourinho's blanket approach of freezing out players who don't meet his demands is hardly the most inspiring.
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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Perhaps there is a bit of an issue with motivation or discipline but that tweet doesn't tell the whole story either. van Gaal also praised him for being one of the most hardworking players after that and Mourinho's blanket approach of freezing out players who don't meet his demands is hardly the most inspiring.
Maybe he did. We don't know. Luke has not done much to convince he is giving his all and it is not just a case under Mourinho. He showed up fat for preseason under Lvg.
I wish it worked out. But it seems it will not.
Pretty much, So i Know the difference between a judge and a mentor.
Easy to forget Jose rated Shaw just few weeks back
There isn't a doubt about his ability, looks like Jose is trying every trick to bring the best out of Shaw.
There isn't a doubt about his ability, looks like Jose is trying every trick to bring the best out of Shaw.
So if a 21 year old boy isn't commiting himself fully and doesn't listen to any advice what should a good judge do.
Anyway I think a 21 year old man should know some things for himself rather than being treated like a kid.
A mentor Protects, and aims to earn the trust and increase the confidence Rather than going out public and decreasing it and getting him exposed. Shaw my not be working hard but he needs to support to make him feel motivated and loved that someone actually believes in him and make him realize and introspect that he is letting others down who truth in him.
See some people are always quick to blame the manager (especially Mourinho because he hates youth, apparently) without considering the fault could actually be with the player. If any player has a bad attitude then they should be taken out the team, and I'm glad Mourinho has the balls to do it. If Shaw isn't willing to do what it takes to be a United player, feck off somewhere else.
What if this has been done before by Mourinho and it hasn't worked? It's April, Shaw hasn't managed to cement his spot in the XI even once this season. Are we supposed to keep patting his back all the time and hope that maybe in 2-3 years he'll decide that 'maybe it's the right time to step up'?
Thing with Shaw is slowly starting to look like with Januzaj for me, where everybody is questining his attitude (as in, not working good enough) and not the ability. And that's a bad sign.
Jesus, I don't know what your understanding of football is, but that mentality is not sustainable in any aspect of life. A 21 year old man shouldn't need his manager to hold his hand and make him work, in any aspect of life. What happens when the going gets tough and the manager has other things to focus on, other players to pay attention to? What happens if the players see how Shaw is being treated and everyone expects to be spoon fed, is that a sustainable way to run a club?
He's earning big wages and its very clear what is expected of him. He's out of shape and despite being benched he has not used the time to prove Mourinho wrong. At a certain point you have to accept that its down to the player to get his head down and Shaw doesn't appear to be doing this.
Former Southampton manager describes handling Shaw
“I’d only play him half an hour at a time in the Premier League,” Nigel Adkins told Sky Sports in May 2015. “I was maybe getting some questions asked of me but we knew Luke couldn’t play a full 90 minutes. He was still 17 and very young. He even struggled to play a full 90 minutes in the Under-18 team.
“We had to spend a lot of time looking after Luke because he was very young and there were the off-field things that go with that. We had to put a special group together just to help him develop his all-round lifestyle and give him an opportunity to deal with the situations that arose.”
Southampton's Luke Shaw slides in on Robin van Persie
Interesting article. If you go to Transfermarkt to check the facts:
2011/12 Shaw didn't feature.
2012/13 Shaw started 22 PL matches. Played 90 mins in 16 games. 82-86 mins in 3 games. 73-74 mins in 2 games. Came on as a sub 3 times, playing 9 mins, 12 mins. Adkins was sacked in Jan of that season, replaced by Pochettino. There are no matches that season under Adkins that fit the description he gave of using Shaw for "half an hour at a time in the Premier League"
The closest you can get to using the facts, are that Shaw got 9 mins as a sub then 74 mins in his first PL start then 73 mins the next match, after which he either lasted 90 mins or mid 80s.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdaten/spieler/183288/plus/0?saison=2012
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There is no Specific age to determine that , Compassion and Mentorship is the best way to know what's going on in other persons head and help him Clear things which is holding a person back.
You're assuming he hasn't been compassionate with him, what if he has but it hasn't worked?
It's this soft mollycoddling attitude that is ruining modern players. If Shaw (or anyone else) can't handle a bit of well-deserved criticism, then they haven't got what it takes to take us back to where we want to be.
I'd say his +£100,000 per week has something to do with it. Crazy contract for a young kid was asking for trouble.
I think this is the worst time for a youth to come to Manchester United. The club is desperate to bounce back and the squad is simply not good enough. A high staff turnover + a radical change in 'philosophy' makes it difficult for young players to find the mentors they need to grow. It also makes it almost impossible to adapt. One manager would tell a player to do A,B,C only to be replaced by another who expect them to do X,Y,Z.
It was basically the same during SAF's early reign. The youth academy was shaken up from its roots and it would take years before top quality homegrown talent started popping up from the youth academy again. Ultimately success > homegrown talent.
Fellaini - squad player at best
Mata - good signing
Schneiderlin - flop, sold
Herrera - good signing
Di Maria - flop, sold
Falcao - flop, gone
Valdes - flop, sold
Romero - decent backup
Blind - squad player at best
Rojo - squad player at best
BFS - flop, sold
Martial - great prospect, but has gone cold (still have faith though obviously)
Darmian - not good enough
Depay - flop, sold
And now Shaw is a giant question mark too. My god our transfer business these past few years has been atrocious
And all that money spent..
Mata - good signing
Schneiderlin - flop, sold
Herrera - good signing
Di Maria - flop, sold
Falcao - flop, gone
Valdes - flop, sold
Romero - decent backup
Blind - squad player at best
Rojo - squad player at best
BFS - flop, sold
Martial - great prospect, but has gone cold (still have faith though obviously)
Darmian - not good enough
Depay - flop, sold
And now Shaw is a giant question mark too. My god our transfer business these past few years has been atrocious
And all that money spent..I said in Luke Shaw's thread that when two managers have questioned him then it says a lot about him, but I was wrong. It's 4. Basically every single manager that has spent any time with him has called him out for either being a fat arse, lazy, or lacking desire.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...remier-League-season-under-Ronald-Koeman.html
Also, from Southampton's point of view, these concerns were prevalent very early on.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...remier-League-season-under-Ronald-Koeman.html
Also, from Southampton's point of view, these concerns were prevalent very early on.
I have a hard time believing this bit of news about Shaw's attitude.
That he didn't pay attention to his fitness/diet, I could understand/believe because of his age. But I am having a really hard time accepting that his attitude and dedication on the training pitch is not to the required levels.
The conspiracy nut in me is not too surprised that 3 players that held promise under Van Gaal, are ostracised and then served up to the public to be burned at the stake. When if you look closely, though, you have to wonder if the management is in part responsible for making them lose confidence, and generaly not doing anything to help them gain form.
I am afraid, Shaw, Martial and then Rashford will leave the club, and it is probably better for their careers that they get playing time now.
I find it unreasonable to expect players to perform at their best when given scraps of games throughout the season, that too only to be roasted in public.
Where was that roasting when Ibra f*n missed the penalty? or missed all those sitters at the beginning of the season? Yet he was afforded time to gain form.
That he didn't pay attention to his fitness/diet, I could understand/believe because of his age. But I am having a really hard time accepting that his attitude and dedication on the training pitch is not to the required levels.
The conspiracy nut in me is not too surprised that 3 players that held promise under Van Gaal, are ostracised and then served up to the public to be burned at the stake. When if you look closely, though, you have to wonder if the management is in part responsible for making them lose confidence, and generaly not doing anything to help them gain form.
I am afraid, Shaw, Martial and then Rashford will leave the club, and it is probably better for their careers that they get playing time now.
I find it unreasonable to expect players to perform at their best when given scraps of games throughout the season, that too only to be roasted in public.
Where was that roasting when Ibra f*n missed the penalty? or missed all those sitters at the beginning of the season? Yet he was afforded time to gain form.
I think we need to stop making excuses and accept that a lot of these managers will have done as much as they can for the player, and it's time for Shaw to show his ability. We all know that he has the potential to be one of the best left backs in the world, nobody can do it for him except him.
Spot on. I struggle to understand the emphasis on being 21. In Luke's case, he has been through more than a standard 21 year old. He has been playing with "grown ups" for 4 years now. He should be aware of what professionalism is. And a chance like United does not come very often. He had multiple chances to prove himself, yet he hasn't.
I don't understand the fuss about Martial and Rashford to be honest. Martial had some off the court issues that we all have heard about. He had his fair share of games ever since the christmas. He has not been incredible but he has been good. Rashford also featured in almost all of our games. He failed to score goals and that will eventually change. If he is not starting, he is the first one to come off the bench generally. I think both of them are playing enough.
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Cracking player on his day, shame it's not going to work out but not going to cry over a player with the wrong attitude.
We are united and we've moved much bigger players on and always gone forwards. Shaw will be the same.
A case of too much, too soon?
We are united and we've moved much bigger players on and always gone forwards. Shaw will be the same.
A case of too much, too soon?
As i Mentioned, Its important to point out what is lacking in a player because unless that happens he wont improve but it is also important to give him trust and confidence and calling him out in public can be counter productive too as shaw might thinks him as a judge and nothing else cecause he is still immature
Mourinho has later come to realize he did wrong with Schweinsteiger, But Schweinsteiger was a mature Champion . i dont think Mourinho has done it to shaw
TBF Zlatan has been very good this season and his attitude, fitness, etc. has been first class. Shaw and Martial both have question marks against them imo. Rashford is still very young and has had more limited playing time this season but thats more down to Jose than Rashford I think.
To be fair to Jose he's given Shaw the whole season to impress and by the looks of it is actually regressing instead of progressing so I think that's the final nail in the coffin for Shaw with us, what Jose said about Joe Hart is spot on though as being an England international doesn't give you a free pass or that you've made it so indispensable.
The left side has been a problem all season at both ends of the pitch and I can see major changes to that whole side of the pitch, I thought we'd be in for a right back in the summer to challenge Valencia or even replace him but I think left back is a much more pressing matter.
The left side has been a problem all season at both ends of the pitch and I can see major changes to that whole side of the pitch, I thought we'd be in for a right back in the summer to challenge Valencia or even replace him but I think left back is a much more pressing matter.
It was the same with Januzaj, and Morrison. It's a shame that some people refuse to believe the player is at fault and instead choose to lay blame on the manager.
Rashford's game time is not limited. He has played a lot.
Wow!! Do you do motivational talking sessions (or leadership skills workshop or whatever they are called)??
Coming back to the point, what makes you assume that Jose didnt give "hugs", "arm around the shoulder", "brotherly love" and such stuff before slating him in public.
He has yeah but I think many people thought he would push on from last year and become a regular starter as he was a sensation last season. He has done pretty well though I think he will be a terrific player for you.
Sounds like a typical lad more interested in nights out and kebabs to be honest, not surprising his best mate here was Memphis. Too precious and lazy to take it on the chin and knuckle down for a season. Just fecking give everything in every training session, be the last to leave training. Sort it out Luke.
Rqshford getting scraps? Are you sure. Also that burning at the stake is a bit OTT. But you have a hard time accepting that sometimes it's the players fault and not that evil Jose so there's that.
You Train for the worst to become the best in difficult conditions, And to train for the worst any person needs personel touch and motivation and trust in him to Get to that training level , Cynical attitude is counter productive and its my personal expirence
Exactly, he is a highly paid "professional" and if he isnt doing what he is paid to do deserves a massive kick up the arse not someone holding his chubby little hand saying there there you can still play you brave little soldier.
So disappointing to hear, he is so talented and out LB spot is there for the taking if he could just grow up and change his attitude.
Indeed. Mourinho's latest comments likely come after months and months of cajoling behind the scenes. It's Shaw's last chance now. Desperate measures are called for.
He's still 19 and last year was due to lack of options up front I'm afraid. We don't want another case of Owen either I guess.
Is there a chance Jose simply can't be arsed to work with youth so finds excuses to throw him under the bus?
It is also pointing out that Joe Hart, rather than just sitting on his backside has gone abroad to find football to keep his international place.
There is a chance that's the case.
It's not though. Too many sources indicating it's Shaw who is the problem.
Bit gutted, but sentiment is useless in football. We need to buy a top quality LB this summer.
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