The fact that two managers after Moyes have stuck with him is also quite bemusing.
Mourinho bringing on Fellaini to defend a lead
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The fact that two managers after Moyes have stuck with him is also quite bemusing.
And he seems to make subs incredibly late for some reason too.
Apart from that one time where Modric knocked us out of the champions league, that is.
Maybe he doesn't trust the players, or maybe he has some self doubts. He seems to take ages to put the player on too, been the case almost every game this season.
Yeah well, that's going way back. When Mourinho had his mojo
All he has now is his Rojo.
United 1 Arsenal 0
Fellaini comes on
FT 1-1
United 1 West Ham 0
Fellaini comes on
FT 1-1
Everton 0 United 1
Fellaini comes on
FT 1-1
Mourinho's theory of insanity
Fellaini comes on
FT 1-1
United 1 West Ham 0
Fellaini comes on
FT 1-1
Everton 0 United 1
Fellaini comes on
FT 1-1
Mourinho's theory of insanity
To be fair West Ham were ahead of us long before Fellaini came on so can't blame him there. I'm hoping today is Fellaini's nail on the coffin. I get pragmatism, but Fellaini isn't an obvious pragmatists choice.
He did the right thing, but it just didn't work out today.
Jesus Christ.Leon Osman in punditry said when he was at Everton they wanted him as far away from the penalty area as possible when they were defending and that says it all. When your fellow pros think you're shite it must suck the belief out of the team when they see him being brought on. Especially so after those 3 results.
Edit: You sure about West Ham? They took the lead that game. Stoke?
It was Schneiderlin who came on vs arsenal. Afro was injured.
Leon Osman in punditry said when he was at Everton they wanted him as far away from the penalty area as possible when they were defending and that says it all. When your fellow pros think you're shite it must suck the belief out of the team when they see him being brought on. Especially so after those 3 results.
Edit: You sure about West Ham? They took the lead that game. Stoke?
Says a lot about Osman who was inferior to Fellaini at Everton.
Says a lot about Everton that Fellaini was their key player.
Moyes
The West Ham one is wrong, so is Arsenal as Schneiderlinn came on for that one. We didn't bring on any subs to protect a lead against Stoke.
Oh well! My bad.
Still, it's obvious Mourinho bringing on defensive players to defend leads when we're playing well is counter productive.
so basically 2/3 of that post was simply bullshit That I can probably agree on. The problem, though, is that we struggle in scoring goals (only 19 so far) and once you see a team like Everton attacking late in the game and our midfield unable to defend or control the game, you naturally go to a defensive player. That's at least Jose's approach.
I also don't know why we struggle so much in weekends against mid table and below teams but can score goals easily in the middle of the week. The quality of oppositions is obviously one reason, but the differences are clear.
Yes that's the strangest thing in all this, Moyes only bought him out of desperation in the first place, and if my memory serves me right then LvG almost shipped him out somewhere only for him to get himself injured before it went ahead, but there has been no excuse since, even if the great lummax has flattered to deceive at times, I just hope Jose finally puts an end to the madness after today.
Brutal.
Should be sold as soon as possible in truth. He adds nothing at either end of the pitch nowadays. He had his uses under LVG but he isn't good enough.
this is his 4th season here. Was it a 5 yr contract? He'll probably see it out
lol you see posts like this on every tweet.
Bringing on a more defensive player to see out a game happens in nearly every football match, but usually the sub being brought on isn't a brain dead brolly! That tackle was just like his one against Watford.
Some of the posts in the match thread, prior to the Fellaini sub.
Everyone and his dog can see that Fellaini is walking foul machine, how on earth Mourinho can't see that he either would cost you a free kick in dangerous area or a penalty. If Mourinho doesn't bin him after this long, then he lost it.
And did I see him laughing with an Everton player after the game? He could feck right off
And did I see him laughing with an Everton player after the game? He could feck right off
Except he's more of an attacking player, so relying on him in your own box is not the best idea. I was just sighing when he was warming up and tried to cast a spell on him to go sit down on the bench again.
No other person that has anything to do with Man Utd thought bringing Fellaini on was a good idea today. I bet even Fellaini didn't.
'Bringing Fellaini on to defend a lead' is an oxymoron
Isn't hindsight great ! I'm not sure why people are blaming Mourinho for what seemed an obvious decision. We were having to defend a lot of crosses and high balls coming in and at 6'4" Fellaini looked the right sub to make. I could only ever see Bailly coming on if we had an unassailable lead and I don't think Mourinho is convinced of Blinds physicality.
Agree.
Except we were dealing with the long balls fine all game. Everton launched a lot of long balls today. And Fellaini is good for a foul at least, we just need to find another way to deal with long balls without him. And when was the last time you thought 'Fellainis heading really saved us today!'
Wouldn't trust the fecker with a cup of coffee - let alone defending a lead.
When I think of United midfielders names like Robson,Whiteside,Ince,Keane,Scholes come to mind. Fellaini would have been played or outfought off the park by all these guys and is not fit to be a United midfielder. Do you remember a single game where he has played great?
Inspired tactics...from decades ago!
You gotta be shitting me now.
Pretty much every game at from February-May in 14/15.
The FA Cup run last season where he scored a bunch of goals.
He kept Fabregas, Yaya Toure, Ozil and a ton of other "supposed" world class midfielders in his pocket.
A few games at the start of this season he was good in the holding role.
I hate these kneejerk reactions. He conceded a penalty. It was stupid, I'm angry. But lets not go overboard with it. That could have been anybody else and I bet the reaction wouldn't be as over the top.
Yes indeed. And maybe not everybody watching on tv saw the 'penalty' from different angles. It was a refereeing over-reaction that is too common in football now.
It wasn't the wrong decision.
Everton were on top at the time and were threatening. Fellaini adds a presence for corners, free kicks and general crosses.
Just need him to not make a silly mistake.
Everton were on top at the time and were threatening. Fellaini adds a presence for corners, free kicks and general crosses.
Just need him to not make a silly mistake.
Which, unfortunately, is kind of his forte.
It is not surprising when a player who commits a ton of silly fouls ends up committing a silly foul.
Not really a bad decision. The bad decision was sitting back to defend the lead. If we're going to do that then usually Fellaini is a very good player to have on the pitch, but he fecked up this time. Mourinho can't really be held responsible for Fellaini's feck up, but he is responsible for the strategy. We should never have sat back like we did.
Not sure if this is a joke?
If it isnt, then it says off the games fellaini hasnt played, we've won 61% and in the games he played, we won 34%. These two are independent and do not have to sum to 100%
What irritates me the most is that every time we have a chance to capitalise on our rivals messing up, we bottle it. City and Liverpool dropped points (and both seemingly have wider problems to address), and we play Spurs on Sunday. Three points was a must. Under normal circumstances, a draw would have been a decent result, but not when we've had the start that we've had.
It's going to be a very frustrating league campaign, I just hope we can do something in the cups (EL, especially).
It's going to be a very frustrating league campaign, I just hope we can do something in the cups (EL, especially).