Try naming a striker who isn't one of the best in Europe then.
However the lack of understanding about Firmino's role in the team is astonishing.
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However the lack of understanding about Firmino's role in the team is astonishing.
That's what you need to win titles, Firminho isn't. Mind you, Klopp made Lewa what he is, he's trying to do the same but honestly, he just has the wrong player.
Spot on. Salah has been quality this season.
To me he looks a level or two below Mane, Coutinho and Salah and I honestly don't see what he's that good at, a bit of a jack of all trades player. If you lot signed a quality actual no.9 then I think that would make a massive difference to your team.
I'm sure that Klopp realises (knows) that Firmino isn't a Lewa, he never has been, he was an AM in Germany. However what Firmino brings to the team (workrate, his tackling from the front and back, pressing and interceptions higher up the pitch, and also how he interacts with Mane, Coutinho and Salah) is of far more value than just goals, which we don't really have a problem with when most of our front line are available. That value has been recognised and commented on by many more managers/commentators of the game than just Klopp.
The issue is if you bring in a defined 'striker' then you are inevitably going to lose some of Firmino's attributes and even if the striker scores more goals it doesn't mean the team as a whole will be as fluent or effective because you may end up losing goals from other areas (Mane or Salah for example).
And there's no 'h' in Firmino ... even though he's Brazilian
Has an unorthodox style which makes people think he's wasteful. But the stats do not lie.
What you don't get is he's supposed to do those things and still score enough goals. Take Dries Martens for example, he does many of those things. He scored 29 goals in Serie A last season and already has 10 this one. He also creates chances, works his socks off and has a great relationship with his wide players. However unlike the Brazilian he's highly productive not instead of living on the 'other' side of his game. Mind you, he himself isn't a natural striker and was a converted player. In fact, imo he should try to transform Wijnuldum into that sort of player before settling for one that isn't much of a scorer.I'm sure that Klopp realises (knows) that Firmino isn't a Lewa, he never has been, he was an AM in Germany. However what Firmino brings to the team (workrate, his tackling from the front and back, pressing and interceptions higher up the pitch, and also how he interacts with Mane, Coutinho and Salah) is of far more value than just goals, which we don't really have a problem with when most of our front line are available. That value has been recognised and commented on by many more managers/commentators of the game than just Klopp.
The issue is if you bring in a defined 'striker' then you are inevitably going to lose some of Firmino's attributes and even if the striker scores more goals it doesn't mean the team as a whole will be as fluent or effective because you may end up losing goals from other areas (Mane or Salah for example).
And there's no 'h' in Firmino ... even though he's Brazilian
How can the most prolific forward so far be 'very wasteful'? Are Liverpool a machine for creating chances?
He does miss some very big chances. I think though its cause he missed this big, high profile chances which stick in the mind, people think of him as wasteful. When in reality, the stats show his conversion rate is pretty good.
He gets so many chances because he's one of the best players in the world when it comes to getting into goal scoring positions. Also, he's so fast off the mark that it becomes near impossible to mark him.
Sorry what You don't get is that he doesn't have to (though we'd of course like him to) it's what he brings as a whole to the Liverpool team (or whoever he's playing for) ... as Klopp, Tite and other managers have expressed and appreciated.
We could replace him but that doesn't mean we'd improve as a whole. And comparing him to one or two other players who may have better stats in a different league is pointless, because he's better than a whole host of others. Dries Martens has his skills .. but they are not those of Firmino so you're not comparing like with like, Martens is far more of an out and out striker than Firmino who actually plays more like a deep-laying #10.
Next season we may find out though as I'm sure Studge will go this January or Summer latest and we'll more than likely then be buying a more prolific striker to replace him.
On the topic of firmino, i'm looking at how Dzeko is playing under Di Francesco this season and he really would have been a massive upgrade for you this season
One of the lads on RAWK got 250/1 for Salah over 15 goals and Liverpool over 80 goals.
I really hope this comes in for him.
I really hope this comes in for him.
Would be a huge economic boost to the city of Liverpool.
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Take his world class pace away and essentially you're left with an average forward/ wide man.
Take his world class pace away and essentially you're left with an average forward/ wide man.
He's clearly way better than Walcott.Egyptian Theo Walcott
Take his world class pace away and essentially you're left with an average forward/ wide man.
Misses so many easy chances.
I rate this guy very highly, superb movement.
Would people trade Martial for Salah?
We already have a solution for the left and need a proper right sided attacker.
I wouldn't but interested to see what others say.
We already have a solution for the left and need a proper right sided attacker.
I wouldn't but interested to see what others say.
But.... still manages to score ..
No way. Salah is like a poacher playing on the wings. As it is we lack something in attack, without players like Martial we will miss even more.
I wish I could be bothered to go through he summer transfer thread and find the people who told me that Perisic was better than Salah 
Last season, he was 2nd behind Messi in chances created (more than double someone like Lewandowski) in europe. Top tackler of any forward in europe (this is important in klopp's system), 4th most passes completed of any forward in europe. Top for sprints made. Still averaged a goal or assist every other game, so it's not like there is no output.
He's basically terrible for defenders to deal with and a joy for others to play with. Everyone plays better when Firmino is on his game.
It's not surprising that it's hard to see what he does, I don't think there is anyone around who plays the game quite the way he does. He's like a hybrid of Kuyt and Bergkamp. Not as skilful as Bergkamp, not as donkey as Kuyt.
It would be nice if he scored more goals, he should be getting at least 15 going on 20 goals a season. If he were a 25 goals a season striker, he'd be world class. But subbing him for a goalscorer would take away something from the performances of his team mates up front.
I wish I could be bothered to go through he summer transfer thread and find the people who told me that Perisic was better than Salah
I went and looked. There was a small glut of posts around the time we signed him. But to be fair, most were still saying Salah was the better player.
Different players, similar level. Salah's younger and has more room to improve yet thoughI wish I could be bothered to go through he summer transfer thread and find the people who told me that Perisic was better than Salah
9 in 12 in the league. I thought De Bruyne had POTY sealed but he's putting up a challenge on shear numbers.
Fantastic player.
10
Watching Fabregas ping those passes at the end, just makes you think how potent Chelsea would be with Salah added to Hazard and Morata up front.
What a player!
We need a player like this.
So direct.
So direct.
Imagine no Jose and a Hazard Lukaku Salah front three and De Bruyne supplying killer balls
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Ripping up the league atm.
Probably works harder than Lingard too.
Its a shame because he is exactly what we need.
Don't think Jose rates him though.
Pretty much sums up our poor transfer strategy.
Class player. Signing of the summer for sure in the PL.
He didn't rate KDB either.