He'd be appreciated far more if he didn't move...but instead fought the fight which was infront of him at the time at a fantastic club to showcase his talent on a global scale....he basically did the opposite of Ronaldo....I'm not saying we couldn't show case his talent but Madrid...could do it better..as has played out..unfortunately.
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He'd be appreciated far more if he didn't move...but instead fought the fight which was infront of him at the time at a fantastic club to showcase his talent on a global scale....he basically did the opposite of Ronaldo....I'm not saying we couldn't show case his talent but Madrid...could do it better..as has played out..unfortunately.
He's never going to be better than Messi at Barca, so he only had a few options left open to him. Only PSG, Man Utd, Man City and Real Madrid could afford him. Madrid is impossible directly, Utd and City are trying to build a team and so can't spend all of their money on one player, so PSG was left.
I also think his father heavily influenced his move to PSG. I don't think Neymar cares too much about the money yet, he would probably think about money when he is in his 30s.
Would be interesting if Salah and Neymar end up at Real Madrid in the coming few seasons as part of their rebuild
Which player has been better due to playing next to Neymar? Just because he's creative doesn't mean he makes players around him better. And he hasn't. Look at Alba this season compared to last few seasons for example.
I agree. Neymar is a trouble 'cos his pace and great speed. But i dont see make him team playing better due his intervention. Is faaaar away in Messi in that aspect, well, in part because Messi is like the King Midas of this sport. He can make a player like Paulihno useful in Barcelona context
That's usually what creative players do. Alba is better because he's essensially Barcelona's winger and has more prominence. But of course Neymar makes players around him better and it's exactly what creative players do. Suarez benefitted from having Neymar on the left rather than Alba there. Same goes for most other players not being Alba. I'm sure it happens with Brazil too. Their players would most likely perform better with a creative player like Neymar in the team as opposed to without him. Only in specific cases does it not help others.
Suarez is playing the exact same as he was last season. Which players started playing better by having Neymar on the team? I always hear that about creative players but it's not true at all, they create chances and score goals which makes it easier for the team but they don't just magically make everyone around them play better, that's bullshit.
Switch Neymar and Salah. Do you think Firmino and Henderson would start playing better while Cavani and Rabiot would start playing worse? It's a complete myth that gets repeated over and over again. Ozil is as creative as it gets, when he left Madrid did everyone start playing worse too?
He’s been amazing and I’d love it if we could sign him but we’ve no chance now. Great bit of scouting and coaching even the most harsh critic would have to agree. I don’t like saying this but I think Klopp would have turned us into a really good team by now if we’d got him. His football works, is easy on the eye and nobody backs managers more than us. He develops players. He also seems like someone who’ll stay at a club for a long time. I genuinely think we missed a trick with him. Good manager doing well with a more restrictive budget and arguably a better atmosphere in their squad. I couldn’t bare Liverpool winning the CL, that would be the worst!
I really Don’t think they will win anything this year but they are improving. Used to be that their big signings were pretty consistently horrible but they seem to be buying well recently. Have we had better players than Suarez and Salah here post Ronaldo? RVP and Rooney for the few seasons before the decline affected us... both players would have been top signings for us or any other club!
I really Don’t think they will win anything this year but they are improving. Used to be that their big signings were pretty consistently horrible but they seem to be buying well recently. Have we had better players than Suarez and Salah here post Ronaldo? RVP and Rooney for the few seasons before the decline affected us... both players would have been top signings for us or any other club!
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Everything you're unable to comprehend isn't magic. This is fairly basic stuff. Barring exemptions, creative players tend to pass the actual football better and have more intelligence in possession than less creative players. That's, naturall, how they improve their team, and that's not to mention the blatantly obvious contributions such as goals, assists, movement etc. Of course no one turns water into wine. You can't turn a good player into a great player. But you can influence and assists.
Suarez hasnt been great this season despite the statistics. And even when it comes to stats didn't he just score his first CL goal of the season? It probably has to do with the player himself too of course. Also, football is a team sport and a lot depends on the manager, the style of play, the tactics, the morale, fitness etc. All other things being equal, creative players or players who are better on the ball improve the whole. Odd that this is even being contested.
Switching Neymar and Salah doesnt make sense. The latter suits Liverpool and Klopp to the tee. He has a system that is extremely attack heavy and tends to elevate everyone in attack. It's a unique system that is difficult to compare with others. In general, you'd rather have Neymar anyday and he would contribute more to the buildup thereby improving the whole.
The Ozil example is a poor one. He might be very creative but he's also got a dodgy mentality or low level of grit, which isn't the case with the best creative attackers on the planet (like Neymar).
Neymar has more skills in his pocket and his dribbling is better, but Salah is more like a team player more than a solo player and these kind of players make the team clicks far more than being skillful and just playing on hour own imo.
Then so does literally every other great player? Casemiro is a great defensive midfielder so he offers protection to players which means they'll have more freedom, more space, more chances on the counter, etc. and his teammates have it easier, that's how it works with good players. It doesn't mean other players suddenly turn better and their shooting, their passing, their decision making will be any better. Put Neymar, Messi or Ozil in a team and suddenly everyone around them will be better... what you're claiming is magic or fantasy, not football.
Suarez after a bad start to the season has been playing exactly like last season, losing Neymar didn't make him any worse. It didn't make Messi worse, it didn't make Alba worse, it didn't make Busquets worse, it didn't make Umtiti worse, etc.. so what happened? What's the excuse?
Great creative players improve the whole, that's not being contested. But great non-creative players improve the whole too and Salah does it aswell. Great players obviously improve teams but they don't make each individual player around them better which is what's being claimed.
So creative players with grit improve the whole, but creative players with no grit don't improve the whole?
I can give you example after example of it not happening but there will always be an excuse for when it doesn't happen so it's impossible to prove wrong. It didn't work with Neymar because Valverde came in and changed the system, it didn't work with Ozil because he has no grit, it doesn't work with Messi in Argentina because of whatever reason, it doesn't work with Hazard because of Conte's tactics, it doesn't work with De Bruyne for Belgium because of Martinez, etc... if you say something works and then find an excuse for every single time it doesn't, of course you'll be right. Pretending something is a fact and that others are stupid and unable to comprehend it does not make it a fact. Like you said, it's fairly basic stuff.
Salah has been doing what he's been doing not just with Liverpool, I saw him doing it with Egypt too just a few weeks ago. He's having success in different systems and while playing against teams with different defensive strategies. He might never score as many goals in a season, but anyone expecting this to be a one off season will be wrong.
It's not a difference in level, it's a difference in accomplishment. Obviously on right now has Salah peaked as a player where as Neymar got there earlier. Is he the more decorated player? obviously, is he a much better player currently? maybe, but it certainly isn't by much if he is better. It's basically a Messi v Ronaldo debate, one a wide forward, the other a wide playmaker ,Neymar can do both as seen at Barca
Look at the PSG players with Neymar and withouy Neymar...
Look at the way he carried barcelona when Messi was injured
Jordi Alba played well enough behind Neymar for two seasons, it was only last season that he suffered, it wasn't down to Neymar, it was down to Luis Enrique trying to juggle Messi refusing to stay wide and the absence of a right wing presence with the departure of dani alves...
He carried the team because he's an incredible player. He didn't make anyone around him play better though.
PSG has been doing very well without him that Madrid game aside.
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I see neymar as more of an impact player than someone who elevates the players around him.
It's a small sample of course. But it was the only two real competitive games they played this season: with neymar, in an away game, the whole team played well. Without him, at home, they looked like a pub side
But sure neymar's no zidane, xavi o pirlo. But neither is Salah
German media are reporting that PSG are preparing a bid of upto 200 Million for Salah. The Qatari are impressed with Salah ability and his marketing Potential in some Countrys.Transfer will be funded with the sale of Cavani
It's got to be BS.
PSG can't speak that kind of money without breaking FFP rules. A huge chunk of this year's budget is already going towards Mbappe.
PSG can't speak that kind of money without breaking FFP rules. A huge chunk of this year's budget is already going towards Mbappe.
Didn't PSG still have to pay the 140m or something for Mbappe this summer ? The deal last summer was only a loan. They can't spend a huge sum this season.
What I think too. And no way they'd pay that kind of money for someone who's had just one brilliant season.
Stupid to pay that price after one season. I don't think he will leave this summer, no one is going to bid the ridiculous amounts we would demand for him after one season.
Sand Messi
Who came up with that?
Who came up with that?
Sand Messi
Who came up with that?
Might have been taken from the film Casino.
Ramadan Robben.
How many Cavanis do they have?
Hope he's ok for tonight. Like I said before I'm all for Liverpool winning because they haven't enough to beat a Bayern, Madrid or Barcelona. I'd fear City over 2 legs could go toe to toe with the 3 mentioned.
Roll on another goal fest against City!
Roll on another goal fest against City!
I'm of an opposing view that City have been the best team in Europe and were the hardest draw that Liverpool could have gotten.
The tie is not over yet of course, but if we can come through tonight unscathed then we are capable of beating the others too.
Goal + assist last week. Goal today.
Stepping up huge in the QF's.
Stepping up huge in the QF's.
Beautiful finish. So composed.
Three losses on the bounce.
Firmino 2-1... city 3 defeats in a row, 3rd home defeat in a row?
Roma could have scored the third. Barca are shit.
Nope, they lost at anfield
Before that they lost to Basel in their last home game.
Also just realised this is Salah thread
Yeah right.. 3 losses on the bounce. 3 home defeats
Forget Premier League Player of the Season, Salah is going to win the Ballon d'Or at this rate.