Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

Rooney in Paris said:
But only for Arsenal. All other red cards against other teams were 100% justified.

Makes sense. No trend.
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If 2 red cards in 2 seasons and 76 games or 5 red cards in 84 games is enough for you to find a trend then that's on you. Categorizing something that is 3/4 years old as a trend considering we've changed the whole squad since then is just ill-informed. The previous excessive amount were largely due to Luiz and Xhaka and an anomaly under Arteta.
Your mind is already made anyway, as usual there is no point discussing anything Arsenal with you.

The referees are shit for everyone but please list the "unjustified" red cards that are in any way comparable to the ones we got with no intent or violent conduct.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Going down to 10 men is also on Arteta and his management.
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No its not. PL clubs wrote to the PL about Arsenal's 'dak arts', and referees have been trying to crack down on this imaginary narrative and have over compensated and issued two red cards for absolutely comical reasons. There are multiple instances of the ball being touched following a foul, however this harsh application of the law has only been applied to Arsenal.

ive said before, if we get another red card like that before any other team, Arteta should order the players off the pitch and match abandoned
 
ArtetaInInIn said:
No its not. PL clubs wrote to the PL about Arsenal's 'dak arts', and referees have been trying to crack down on this imaginary narrative and have over compensated and issued two red cards for absolutely comical reasons. There are multiple instances of the ball being touched following a foul, however this harsh application of the law has only been applied to Arsenal.

ive said before, if we get another red card like that before any other team, Arteta should order the players off the pitch and match abandoned
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PL clubs wrote to the FA about Arsenal's dark arts...?
 
Absolutely bottled it, at home and parked the bus!

Spent the most money in world football in recent seasons to set up like a team of cowards.
 
Torino said:
Absolutely bottled it, at home and parked the bus!

Spent the most money in world football in recent seasons to set up like a team of cowards.
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Do you just copy and paste the same (wrong) post each week?
 
Second half was like watching a big Sam managed Arsenal team. Regardless of all the media hype today is move evidence why Arsenal will not win the league under Arteta.
 
Zoo said:
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I am not sure it's a transformation. I think Arteta when he first took over had them set up very solid defensively. Maybe an Arsenal fan can correct me here but I remember their FA Cup win was built on closing shop and being very defensive because I remember thinking they're not going anywhere playing like that. He proved me wrong obviously and showed he can get his team to play on the front foot and take the initiative but he seems to be going back to those defensive instincts this season. I am not sure if it's the injuries or just that he prioritize stability at the back to the point that it takes away from their offensive threat but they are definitely not winning the title playing that.
 
Zoo said:
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It was always the case. His football is built for defensive masterclass and that is not wrong. Just that I feel they are way too passive and I don't think they can win the league playing like this.
 
I thought they were alright in the first half, played decent football, probably the better team. Liverpool were the ones hoofing it long every time.

They ended up with a back 4 of Partey, Kiwior, White and Lewis-Skelly vs a Liverpool team pushing hard for an equaliser.
 
WeePat said:
I thought they were alright in the first half, played decent football, probably the better team. Liverpool were the ones hoofing it long every time.

They ended up with a back 4 of Partey, Kiwior, White and Lewis-Skelly vs a Liverpool team pushing hard for an equaliser.
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And? he didn't have to play Partey RB and secondly be bought 3 of those players.
 
jakko said:
And? he didn't have to play Partey RB and secondly be bought 3 of those players.
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What do you mean, and? Two of his main defenders were unavailable and two more went off injured. Kiwoir aside they’re not bad players, just either out of position or a literal teenager with almost zero experience.

I understand why he took a pragmatic approach to protect what he had when that’s the backline they ended up with. They looked good in the first half and well worth the lead.
 
WeePat said:
What do you mean, and? Two of his main defenders were unavailable and two more went off injured. Kiwoir aside they’re not bad players, just either out of position or a literal teenager with almost zero experience.

I understand why he took a pragmatic approach to protect what he had when that’s the backline they ended up with. They looked good in the first half and well worth the lead.
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Had Zinchenko on the bench
 
Given it has no City and Liverpool in it... a brutal stretch of games coming up too. Although he's shown to be pretty ruthless in London derbies if I'm remembering right, so maybe I'm overhyping those Fulham and West Ham away games, but Chelsea and Newcastle away, and United are game raising cnuts at this point, fancy that to be a random perform like the boys like to do here and there or am I hoping too much :lol:
 
Apparently Arteta should play 'attacking football' and just leave us wide open. Liverpool and Man City uses to collect 3 points against us at will and score many goals. Now we are 6 matches unbeaten against Liverpool and Man City in the league - most other teams would barely make it to three matches.

Given the interrupted start due to injuries, suspensions and having to play 3 matches with 10 men, Arteta has navigated the tricky road pretty well.

Saliba, Odegaard, Timber, Calafiori will all be back in the pitch sooner. And we wont play the entire season with either 10 men or makeshift first 11.

People writing us off must be twitter fans if they are making statement on match week 9.
 
Im not sure Arteta actually wants them to give up possession quite as much like they did after Gabriel went off yesterday, as twice we seen on TV him shouting to try and push the players up the pitch a bit.

I think a lot of it is comes from the players themselves, perhaps dropping that 5 yards deeper just automatically dropping into a protect mode, and up until the goal Liverpool did struggle to create any real chances and their goal did come from a quick transition after Arsenal did attack.

Don't forget as well, Liverpool are still a very good team, more focussed on controlled possession under Slot and went into the weekend top of the league with better form and fitness availability than Arsenal.
 
WeePat said:
What do you mean, and? Two of his main defenders were unavailable and two more went off injured. Kiwoir aside they’re not bad players, just either out of position or a literal teenager with almost zero experience.

I understand why he took a pragmatic approach to protect what he had when that’s the backline they ended up with. They looked good in the first half and well worth the lead.
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Get better discipline then because its been a problem during his whole tenure. They have been very lucky with injuries the past 2 seasons now its catching tup with them. Of course it's unfortunate but Arteta bought these players, have trust in your squad.
Your response to when someone mentioned Zinchenko "pretty shit and liability these days" who bought him? . He was playing cautious defensive football for 12 months so i'm not buying he's doing this because of players missing.
 
I am a bit with the mob here. We came out in the second half with a different mindframe and it cost us. We should have gone for the third and kept going the way we played in the first. Easier said then done but Pool were nowhere in the game. We all know a game can change after halftime but it seemed the mentality had changed and we produced a lot of rubbish on the pitch suddenly. We have seen this before in Arteta after we get the lead in the first half and it's probably my main gripe with his mentality. Especially with defensive frailties evidence, we needed to keep things going the way they were.

Having said that though, It is evident however that the small period leading up to the Pool equalizer, was us being a bit more adventurous. We were carved open with Martinelli getting stripped of possession at the other end and leaving MLS exposed. So there is a bit of a catch there. I believe the equalizer was coming though, we just aren't that strong defensively with all of our starters out. We were playing with fire going about it like this.

Arteta is capable of having his team play decent attacking football when he needs it, but he is a defense first manager
 
At a micro and macro level, his team just don't feel like winners. There is always this feeling of inevitability that something is going to go wrong, rather than the feeling that something is going to go right that you get with teams that win things.
 
jakko said:
Get better discipline then because its been a problem during his whole tenure. They have been very lucky with injuries the past 2 seasons now its catching tup with them. Of course it's unfortunate but Arteta bought these players, have trust in your squad.
Your response to when someone mentioned Zinchenko "pretty shit and liability these days" who bought him? . He was playing cautious defensive football for 12 months so i'm not buying he's doing this because of players missing.
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Sorry, I just don't like this narrative that we've been playing cautious football for 12 months. I can't remember people saying we were cautious beating the likes of Chelsea 5-0, West Ham 6-0, Newcastle 4-1 etc.

I think we can play different ways, and I like that, but I do agree that in certain occasions, in certain game states, for whatever reason be it from the players or instruction from the manager we can drop deep a bit too much for my liking and I'd like us to play more front foot more often. But I think to say we blanket play cautious football is just wrong.

Even this season, we've supposedly been not playing well, playing negatively, had 3 different halfs of football where we've been down to 10 men, yet we have scored the same amount of goals as Liverpool who everyone has been praising.

It's not been as free flowing as we'd have liked, it's all been a bit patchy, we have missed Odegaard a fair bit, we've missed having settled combinations, but I think we'll get there. I do think we need to start investing more in the attack instead of the defence now though to take us to the next level, i think that much is clear.
 
jakko said:
Get better discipline then because its been a problem during his whole tenure. They have been very lucky with injuries the past 2 seasons now its catching tup with them. Of course it's unfortunate but Arteta bought these players, have trust in your squad.
Your response to when someone mentioned Zinchenko "pretty shit and liability these days" who bought him? . He was playing cautious defensive football for 12 months so i'm not buying he's doing this because of players missing.
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All that is irrelevant really. You can buy players that end up not working out. Shit happens. He ended up with a makeshift back 4 and he had something to protect.

This cautious football narrative has honestly taken on a life of it's own since Odegaard has been out.
 
WeePat said:
I thought they were alright in the first half, played decent football, probably the better team. Liverpool were the ones hoofing it long every time.

They ended up with a back 4 of Partey, Kiwior, White and Lewis-Skelly vs a Liverpool team pushing hard for an equaliser.
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Tbf, Liverpool always hoof
 
WeePat said:
All that is irrelevant really. You can buy players that end up not working out. Shit happens. He ended up with a makeshift back 4 and he had something to protect.

This cautious football narrative has honestly taken on a life of it's own since Odegaard has been out.
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Not irrelevant, recruitment is one of the most important things in football. The fact he worked with Zinchenko before makes it even worse.
You didn't watch them enough last season then.
 
jakko said:
Not irrelevant, recruitment is one of the most important things in football. The fact he worked with Zinchenko before makes it even worse.
You didn't watch them enough last season then.
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Probably at least watched them being cautious vs Chelsea at The Emirates?
 
GoonerBear said:
Probably at least watched them being cautious vs Chelsea at The Emirates?
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I saw a Mourinho Chelsea beat a Wenger Arsenal team 6-0. Does that mean Mourinho wasn't a cautious manager, or his Chelsea team were never parking the bus?.
We can all use isolated games, Arsenal in many big games have a defence first mindset. I think his football has been like that most of his tenure. I think the football this season and last season was alot worse to watch than 22/23 season.
 
jakko said:
Not irrelevant, recruitment is one of the most important things in football. The fact he worked with Zinchenko before makes it even worse.
You didn't watch them enough last season then.
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Last season when we scored 91 goals in the league?

I also like how, after years of being told we're too open in the big games, now being cautious in big games is a bad thing.
 
jakko said:
I saw a Mourinho Chelsea beat a Wenger Arsenal team 6-0. Does that mean Mourinho wasn't a cautious manager, or his Chelsea team were never parking the bus?.
We can all use isolated games, Arsenal in many big games have a defence first mindset. I think his football has been like that most of his tenure. I think the football this season and last season was alot worse to watch than 22/23 season.
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Last season Arsenal had plenty of high scoring games. I disagree with your comments also. It's a narrative being spun by the media that they are cautious, and people like you are just clinging on to that.

They scored 91 league goals last season and had some fantastic scoring results.

Chelsea 5-0
Bournemouth 3-0
Brighton 3-0
Sheff Utd 6-0
Newcastle 4-1
Burnley 5-0
West Ham 6-0
Liverpool 3-1
Palace 5-0
Burnley 3-1
Sheff Utd 5-0
Bournemouth 4-0
Man Utd 3-1
 
jakko said:
Not irrelevant, recruitment is one of the most important things in football. The fact he worked with Zinchenko before makes it even worse.
You didn't watch them enough last season then.
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You're conflating different issues here. If I say he played cautious in the second half because he was forced into a makeshift back 4 with a lead to protect, then 'who bought those players' isn't really relevant to what I'm talking about. Kiwior is a bad player. Lewis-Skelly is an 18 year old novice. Partey is a midfielder filling in at RB. White was only one in his natural position, and I'm not even sure we can call it that anymore.

I watched pretty much every Arsenal game last season. They went through phases of grinding out results, and phases where they were blowing teams out early. Entertainment is subjective, so I'm not going to argue with you if your position here is they're very boring to watch, but I don't think they ever set out to be cautious other than the City games.
 
Mogget said:
Last season when we scored 91 goals in the league?

I also like how, after years of being told we're too open in the big games, now being cautious in big games is a bad thing.
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Not once did i say it was a bad thing.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Last season Arsenal had plenty of high scoring games. I disagree with your comments also. It's a narrative being spun by the media that they are cautious, and people like you are just clinging on to that.

They scored 91 league goals last season and had some fantastic scoring results.

Chelsea 5-0
Bournemouth 3-0
Brighton 3-0
Sheff Utd 6-0
Newcastle 4-1
Burnley 5-0
West Ham 6-0
Liverpool 3-1
Palace 5-0
Burnley 3-1
Sheff Utd 5-0
Bournemouth 4-0
Man Utd 3-1
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You can score goals and be cautious, Mourinho teams scored goals no one is saying he's an attacking manager.
 
WeePat said:
You're conflating different issues here. If I say he played cautious in the second half because he was forced into a makeshift back 4 with a lead to protect, then 'who bought those players' isn't really relevant to what I'm talking about. Kiwior is a bad player. Lewis-Skelly is an 18 year old novice. Partey is a midfielder filling in at RB. White was only one in his natural position, and I'm not even sure we can call it that anymore.

I watched pretty much every Arsenal game last season. They went through phases of grinding out results, and phases where they were blowing teams out early. Entertainment is subjective, so I'm not going to argue with you if your position here is they're very boring to watch, but I don't think they ever set out to be cautious other than the City games.
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They were clearly very cautious in Spurs game so i have no idea what you are watching.
I saw them do the same last season VS Spurs away and they had everyone fit so again im not going with that narrative.
He bought Kwior so again thats on him.
If you watch them every game please tell me a game this season you found them good to watch.
 
Spent the most money in world football in recent seasons and continues to disappoint
 
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