Think it will either go really well or really bad. I don't think there's any middle ground with Artetas appointment that's just a gut feeling.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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I want us to win things.
Brave move from Arsenal who look a mess at the moment and need a rebuild.
Yep. Classics
I am really getting old..Solksjaer at United, Arteta at Arsenal and Lampard at Chelsea
May sound odd but you lot should sell Auba before his value goes down. I would even say sell Lacazatte and look to build a young squad. Martineli seems a good option to rely on, replace Auba or Laca with another striker and fix your defence.
Many managers have failed regardless of their qualifications. Was Emery a glittering success with his trophies and experience?
Your opinion is your opinion but it should have no bearing on how clubs make their managerial appointments.
Could be a really good appointment. He's been at City quite a while working with Pep, will probably be a better fit in football style the fans want. Some managers can come here and it not be problem fitting in so I don't see "knows the club or league" being a requirement but at the same time Arteta has been a player in England for most of his career and it did seem Emery wasn't fitting in. I don't think Emery was given enough time but kind of like Sarri there wasn't a will to have them around any longer.
One big problem is how long does he get while outside the top 4. He could find the player power and expectation tricky to handle.
One big problem is how long does he get while outside the top 4. He could find the player power and expectation tricky to handle.
All is missing is Gerard
There are few clubs with managers who played for the clubs
Arsenal - Ljungberg, Arteta
Bournemouth - Howe
Chelsea - Lampard
Crystal Palace - Hodgson (academy player)
Everton - Duncan Ferguson
ManUtd - Solskjaer
Sheffield United - Chris Wilder
Seems to be a phase clubs are going through. Weird to have half the top six managed by recent(ish) former players.
Almost like the clubs have gone on a rebound after falling out with a continental manager. I'm sure Pep and Zizou have given clubs confidence as well in hiring ex players with limited experience although Ole has been a manager for 10 years at a lower level.
That style of play is fecking annoying. Yet again players and managers pushing the rules and making life hard for refs yet always the first to moan when it's done to them.
Time for sinbins for professional fouls.
Time for sinbins for professional fouls.
Who is worried about Arteta?
If my memory serves me correctly, he wasn't even that inspiring back then in Arsenal midfield.
If my memory serves me correctly, he wasn't even that inspiring back then in Arsenal midfield.
They could get relegated if going by current form
I always thought he was a decent player, but that's not that important when judging him as a manager.
To be fair, those that are calling the shots do not have an idea either. If they do, they do not need to keep sacking the managers that they hired.
It makes sense to be honest. Putting in ex-players is the only way big clubs in England can justify going for unproven names especially with the money involved. Also I think that the ex-players might get more time and patience from the fans as well to get things right and not lose support during a bad run (which most up managers go through).
With Liverpool and City as good as they are right now, this is the best chance for clubs to do the high risk high reward thing, which makes Levy's decision to appoint Jose a bit bizzare.
There's no point appointing win now "proven" managers if the odds are you won't win now, so why not turn a negative into a positive and build something a bit more sustainable?
This could go laughably wrong, but equally it could turn into just the reboot they needed.
What's the high reward?
In fairness, Pep and Zidane had managing experience to an extent + they had better platforms and ambitious clubs then were well run. Aresnal are not that. Nevertheless this is an interesting job for him, its really make or break.
Good post, and I'd also be optimistic at this appointment if I was a gooner. Of course there's a chance he may not turn out well, but I don't see how he could be any worse than Emery. Do you see the owners spending big for him or are they going to do it cheaply and hope he develops players?
You regularly see city have 70-80% possession, yet commit more fouls than the opposing team. They also take turns fouling the opposing players, a slight nudge, a shove, making it difficult for the referee. Think even Pellegrini complained earlier this year, Mourinho when he was managing us.
Success with longevity. Not necessarily 20 years worth, but maybe 5–10 years.
There should definitely be some kind of consequences for rotational fouling by players. I think it was the Hammers vs City game and City had 10 fouls by half time with zero cards issued. 9 of them pulls, grabs etc to slow down play. I dont care that these are not all the same players, the ref should take the captains aside after a few instances and lay the law down. A simple 'I dont want to see any more professional fouls, next player I see doing it goes in the book, tell your players'.
SaF wasnt a high risk though. Considering what he has won before he comes to united
Sure isn’t every appointment a sure thing?
I’m extremely surprised we didn’t snap up Ancelotti, he was a shoe in for me to steady the ship at the very least.
This is a massive gamble with Arteta, but one I’m willing to get behind.
He was a model player for us and our best captain since Vieira, so he at the very least knows the clubs identity and what it is that’s expected from him regarding producing great football along with getting back amongst the top dogs.
It’s a gamble for sure, but it would be a gamble with any manager being put in that job at the moment. So why not?
We’ll know pretty soon if it’s going to be a real disaster, but I think the C suite are looking long term with Arteta.
If he gets through his 4th interview of course.
Not sure where invoking SAF comes into this. High risk high reward and low risk high reward are not mutually exclusive, if that's what you're getting at.
I just dont understand this fascination with long term. I bet saf didnt even plan beyond 3 years let alone 5 or 10.
You managed what's ahead of you, plan sideways for the future if you can, then see how it goes from there.
The notion that if you employ young and unproven and they'll somehow becomes the next 10 years one club manager is weird.
Even pep who's a thru and a thru barcelona fans and one career man only lasted 4 years at barcelona.
The only time a manager stays 10 plus years is only when they're on their comfort zone, not good enough to push on and too good to get the boots like Wenger and moyes. And yes, i know saf exist, but he's an anomaly
Its not so much that they can last 20 years but up and coming managers can if selected right be top appointments.
The reality is Arsenal are not challenging for the title anytime soon. What's the point of getting in an Ancelotti, Allegri or Jose if the league is out of reach? You appoint those type of managers to get over the line for big titles. Arteta if he's anything like Pep will build a sustainable way of playing that even if he doesn't turn out to be good enough to reap the rewards himself he will leave a healthy squad for a manager capable of taking the next step.
You're missing something if you think a club is all about winning the titles. Yes for Us, City, Chelsea, Liverpool the aim is to win. But that doesn't mean you simply hire a nobody in the even he'll become good and win the title in the next 5 years. That simply doesnt work, it work once with SAF..
The point of getting Ancelotti, Allegeri, or even Jose is to be as close as possible to the top 4, and we'll see from there. Spurs are now cementing their position as top 4 contender, something we'd be laughing about 10 years ago. Leicester won't win the league if they had your mentality, they hire ranieri and albeit extremenly unlikely to repeat it, won the league.
This is going to be a disaster. It's very similar to us with Ole. They've gone for a cut price option who won't rock the boat.
He's only getting the job due to having worked with Pep. Arsenal think he's going to come in & emulate Pep's style on the team. They forget that Pep had to spend a fortune on an already stacked squad to implement his methods successfully. Arteta will be starting at a lower level & have much less to spend. They will be lucky to stay in Europa League contention.
Guardiola was never a risk with the players he helped bring through
And I was thinking that Arteta would rule himself out of contention after watching that shambolic first half from the touchline. Big gamble for Arsenal, in my opinion.
It's going to go really bad. There is no way on earth you can give a man with no managerial experience an appointment like this at a big club that is in crisis. What are the Arsenal board thinking of? $$$