personally I am simply because I don’t know what Arteta is. I know what the other 2 are and they are not right for Arsenal. But then again I love risk. It’s like when your team sign a completely unknown player. Could be great or terrible
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personally I am simply because I don’t know what Arteta is. I know what the other 2 are and they are not right for Arsenal. But then again I love risk. It’s like when your team sign a completely unknown player. Could be great or terrible
They wouldn't be far off getting relegated if they did that. Bar an excellent 10 minutes v West Ham they've been even worse than under Emery in all the games so far.
Edit: Will be impressed if Arteta actually gets a new manager bounce.
Their next 4 are Everton and Bournemouth away and Chelsea and Man. United at home. Given Everton got Ancellotti pretty much done I think they'll beat Arsenal (would say that even if they keep Big Dunc in for one more game) and given way Man. United can kill on the counter attack I can see that being like the FA cup match last season.
Not sure on the Bournemouth and Chelsea games, more 50/50.
Ultimately Arsenal have already wasted plenty of winnable home games to do anything this season. Still got those two and leicester and Liverpool to play at home.
What they need is a manager who can rebuild the squad. Fans need to stop expecting too much from the manager & realise that it'll take a lot of time (3-5 years may be) to start thinking about getting closed to City & Liverpool right now. Honestly, their squad are fulled of players that need to be replaced. Even people are saying they got good attackers but they are getting older now and will also need to be replaced in 2-3 years.
- He captained Arsenal and ended our trophy drought. He's shown that he can lead and he's not just a number 2 or someone who works behind the scenes.
- He worked with Pep and surely picked up a few things from him.
- He was Pep's trusted advisor. Pep doesn't mess about and he wouldn't put so much trust in someone inexperienced unless he has something about him.
- He helped City win the league. He has seen what it takes for a manager to lead a team to a league title.
- He worked with world class players and winners so he has experience in dealing with big personalities.
- Arteta has always been spoken about as a potentially great manager and following his career path it's clear that he had his sights focused on a job as a manger. He's not someone who stumbled onto a job in management.
- Highly experienced premier player and knows all about the league.
- He was a very clever player and these type of players usually do well in management (e.g. Simeone, Guardiola, Zidane)
The alternatives are Allegri and Ancelloti
At Juventus Allegri lived off the team Conte built. He inherited a team that won the Seria A 3 years in arow.
At AC he won the league in the 1st year where there were no other challengers Rafa was too busy dismantling the team that Jose built at Inter and Juve were still recovering from the match fixing scandal. He didn't win anything in the following 3 years and ended up getting fired with AC sitting 11th in the league. Also, he has no experience in the premier league and apparently his English was so poor that he let his agent do the talking during the interview with Arsenal. For me he's just another Emery.
Ancelloti is a great man manager who does well with great players. Not sure if he's up for a rebuilding job and his methods might be outdated. Wouldn't have minded him taking over till the end of the season to steady the club but I'm not sure he would go for that.
Sure, Arteta is a gamble given the lack of experience but at the moment he's the best option and could introduce fresh ideas. Guardiola and Zidane barely had any experience when they started management and they did well so it seems pretty premature to completely rule Arteta out.
We spent around 180M in our front 3 to get a quick fix and win something. We failed miserably. Now we're making another gamble, and one that just cannot produce results before at least a year or two. We're gonna have to give Arteta time and be very patient; the issue is Aubameyang probably won't stick around for this little experiment.
There were rumours about Aubameyang going to Madrid? You could probably ask Real to include Jovic in the deal or something.
The most glaring part in your team is the midfield. I read a stat that Leno has faced the most shots in the league or something. Your defence is very very shaky, but you have only torreira in midfield who has a little bit of bite to him and is mobile. Xhaka is very very slow, and Geundozi is very laidback. Ozil is Ozil. For all the problems under Wenger, you always had a good midfield. Arteta has a lot of problems to solve.
If its a proper re-build, which deadwoods should he be chopping off starting in January and then this Summer? Ozil is the elephant in the room but at 350K?
Don't know what Arsenal fans are expecting, a miracle? This season is already a write off. The new coach should use the remaining half of the season to assess the state of the players and make decision before the summer, who fits his playing style or not, who can adapt or not, who stays or goes, and identify quality targets to bring in especially in midfield and defence. They are in a diabolical state as it is.
Seems like the new flavor of the day - Ole, Lampard now Arteta. Just hope Gerrard goes to the scousers and Kompany to City in the summer. That will be awesome.
All of that is great but let's get real here - he is completely untested as a manager and you are happy to have a total rookie be given his first shot at a managers job at your club. I would be extremely worried if it was me. Would you give Tony Adams the job? Would you give Paul Merson the job? Would you give Henry the job (at least he has some experience as a manager even if it was a total disaster)?
That you are happy to dismiss Allegri and Ancelloti in favor of Arteta does suggest a bit of delusion.
This will end in tears.
Arteta is just a less experienced manager than Emery who is going to face major issues like Unai did. But with no experience of battling adversity. I can see them spiralling and finishing around 10th this season and sacking him in the summer, they need an Allegri type manager do Arsenal (with a budget of around £150m to sort out their defence). They would then be in good stead to be regular top 4 material which is what their owners want.
Arteta is just a less experienced manager than Emery who is going to face major issues like Unai did. But with no experience of battling adversity. I can see them spiralling and finishing around 10th this season and sacking him in the summer, they need an Allegri type manager do Arsenal (with a budget of around £150m to sort out their defence). They would then be in good stead to be regular top 4 material which is what their owners want.
“I really hope Mikel considers going into coaching " - Arsene Wenger
I'll be cautiously optimistic and trust they've done their research well. You could say I don't have a lot of reason to believe that considering recent seasons but Arteta was supported by Wenger in his early coaching studies and trusted as a captain, and he's worked successfully alongside Guardiola. When he was injured he remained a very good captain off the field, apparently.
Others (like Tony Adams and Thierry Henry) have been eased aside when it seemed they weren't what the club needed so I don't think this is a sentimental choice. Of course the club has changed a lot but if both Wenger and Guardiola think you've got something then you're worth a look.
I'll be cautiously optimistic and trust they've done their research well. You could say I don't have a lot of reason to believe that considering recent seasons but Arteta was supported by Wenger in his early coaching studies and trusted as a captain, and he's worked successfully alongside Guardiola. When he was injured he remained a very good captain off the field, apparently.
Others (like Tony Adams and Thierry Henry) have been eased aside when it seemed they weren't what the club needed so I don't think this is a sentimental choice. Of course the club has changed a lot but if both Wenger and Guardiola think you've got something then you're worth a look.
Or it could be an appointment where he's guaranteed time to turn it around, like Lampard
Quite the gamble. Now there's a time and place for that, but for Arsenal in their current situation, that's some giraffe length neck sticking out there...
, that's exactly how I feel. What the heck is Ancelotti doing at Everton of all place?Seems like a cheap option - will refer to tradition of playing youngsters and won't complain about lack of spending
Wow if true that's bold. Not sure this will go well for them at all.
Allegri don’t speak English. We already seen the issue of a manager who don’t speak English. Also Arteta has always seen as an intellect unlike those guy. This is a guy even while playing everyone was saying will make great manager
also keep in mind the people at the club already know him and interviewed him for the job 18 months ago. This is also someone the best manager in the world snapped up and made him integral part of his team. He may fail. But let’s not act he is like any ex player. The day he retired he was offered coaching job at Arsenal. How many ex players get that?
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In my opinion it's not the time for him yet. Quite a lot to expect from him.
Arsenal should get Ancelotti or Allegri, one of the best coaches available out there.
Arsenal should get Ancelotti or Allegri, one of the best coaches available out there.
More accurate
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He may be a good coach, he may be a good number 2. Doesnt mean he will be a good manager. It's a massive risk and it's a risk I'm pretty shocked that you guys are apparently totally ok with.
Hiring Mourinho was a massive risk.
Actually, how does the Caf evaluate the risk of a managerial appointment?
It is a risk but maybe that's what the club needs. It went for a fairly safe appointment last time and it didn't work. I've always like Ancelotti and thought of him as a potential Arsenal coach but I'm not convinced he'd be great for us now, considering both the state of the club and his recent troubles, as well as his reputation as someone who polishes and tweaks a finely tuned machine rather than rebuilds a broken engine. I can't really talk about Allegri, not having followed Serie A closely enough.
But the club has seemed so comfortable and complacent in its lack of direction that something risky feels quite enticing. And in its current state the club isn't likely to attract a coach already at the very top of the game at the moment unless they're an Arsenal fan.
If hiring Mourinho was a massive risk given he is one of the most highly decorated managers of all time then tell me how that compares to hiring a complete novice?
Fair enough, I think it's bonkers but we will see how he does.
Then why did it fall in tears? Mourinho brings chaos, in his last 3 jobs they ended with war against the board, he threw players under the bus to make points and created toxic atmosphere. Mourinho and Arsenal wouldn’t work, they won’t back his signings and we all know what happens when he don’t get his way
He still won trophies. I'll take that risk any day of the week vs a complete novice.
Funny how everything changes once you hire a manager. From "small trophies don't matter" to "at least he won trophies".
Why was he sacked few months after winning trophy and why were most happy he was gone? Did you think he did well at United and was the club wrong to sack him?
If he wins a trophy at Spurs and then gets sacked he will be the most successful Spurs manager since 2008 at least in terms of silverware so I'll take that thanks. I think he was the most successful manager at UTD had since Ferguson left.
The change in tune shows the fickle mindedness. Mickey mouse cup they said
I will give them 3 max
It's a risk but as many have said, Ancelotti was not happening if his demands and what he's getting at Everton are true. Allegri might be fine with seasoned players with some italian players here and there. We have neither. He would have had Aubameyang and maybe Sokratis who can understand him. It would have been even worse than Emery levels of misunderstanding with the group.
Vieira to me is a no-go, he was terrible in the MLS, and is terrible with Nice. Absolute legend of a player, nowhere near as a coach at the moment.Henry is the same, disaster at Monaco, now lost in the MLS. Marcelino was not a sexy thought either, and has the same problem with communicating. I believe Mourinho wanted the Arsenal job and Sanlehi wanted him but it was just impossible to do. Even if he did well there's such a massive part of the fanbase that loathe him that, not if but when he left, it would also mean the door for Sanlehi.
We would need a stronger word than toxic for the atmosphere it would have created.
The top picks that are Naggelsman, Rose, Tuchel can't join now and look out of reach anyway. In the summer they will no-doubt have better offers squad-wise.
It leaves us with Arteta. If this season is a write-off let's get a chance to see what he can do, it will either be the same as keeping Ljungberg or an improvement.
Unless he gets us relegated
Vieira to me is a no-go, he was terrible in the MLS, and is terrible with Nice. Absolute legend of a player, nowhere near as a coach at the moment.Henry is the same, disaster at Monaco, now lost in the MLS. Marcelino was not a sexy thought either, and has the same problem with communicating. I believe Mourinho wanted the Arsenal job and Sanlehi wanted him but it was just impossible to do. Even if he did well there's such a massive part of the fanbase that loathe him that, not if but when he left, it would also mean the door for Sanlehi.
We would need a stronger word than toxic for the atmosphere it would have created.
The top picks that are Naggelsman, Rose, Tuchel can't join now and look out of reach anyway. In the summer they will no-doubt have better offers squad-wise.
It leaves us with Arteta. If this season is a write-off let's get a chance to see what he can do, it will either be the same as keeping Ljungberg or an improvement.
Unless he gets us relegated
My point is that your (and my) risk and talent evaluations of managerial appointments are shit. You or I have no idea of what qualifications correlate to success on the job.
For me it's simple. Does Arteta have his UEFA badges? Does he pass the interview of the board, demonstrating that he understands what is required, and accepts the constraints and challenges of this specific position? If so, he's qualified.
Your (and other's) talk about trophies won and "experience" matters not one bit. There are plenty of examples (including Mourinho) where that experience mattered for little at the end of the day. There are examples of managers that came in with zero experience and did decent jobs. So let's drop the pretense of there being some gold managerial experience standard that Arteta isn't meeting. It's all bullshit.
It's a risk but as many have said, Ancelotti was not happening if his demands and what he's getting at Everton are true. Allegri might be fine with seasoned players with some italian players here and there. We have neither. He would have had Aubameyang and maybe Sokratis who can understand him. It would have been even worse than Emery levels of misunderstanding with the group.
Vieira to me is a no-go, he was terrible in the MLS, and is terrible with Nice. Absolute legend of a player, nowhere near as a coach at the moment.Henry is the same, disaster at Monaco, now lost in the MLS. Marcelino was not a sexy thought either, and has the same problem with communicating. I believe Mourinho wanted the Arsenal job and Sanlehi wanted him but it was just impossible to do. Even if he did well there's such a massive part of the fanbase that loathe him that, not if but when he left, it would also mean the door for Sanlehi.
We would need a stronger word than toxic for the atmosphere it would have created.
The top picks that are Naggelsman, Rose, Tuchel can't join now and look out of reach anyway. In the summer they will no-doubt have better offers squad-wise.
It leaves us with Arteta. If this season is a write-off let's get a chance to see what he can do, it will either be the same as keeping Ljungberg or an improvement.
Unless he gets us relegated
Stranger things have happened
You guys are 18 points away from the 40 point gold mark, so it's safe to assume relegation isn't happening. This for me allows the board to evaluate Arteta's qualities in a relatively expectation free environment.
For every one new manager that comes in and does really well there are many more who have utterly failed. As I've said I'll be interested to see how it goes but if I was an Arsenal fan I'd be absolutely furious at him even being seen as an option. I was cracking up at the thought of Eddie Howe getting the Spurs job when Poch left and he is vastly more proven that Arteta.
Right, because last time we passed on Arteta for an established coach, it turned out so well for us. The fact that you're comparing Arteta to Adams, Merson and Henry suggests that you know very little about him. I recognize that it might not work out but Arteta has shown a lot of promise and has been talked about by Wenger, Guardiola and Pochettino as potentially being a world class manager which is not something that I've heard being said about Adams, Merson or Henry.
Wasn't Guardiola a gamble for Barca or Zidane for Madrid? Last time we took a massive gamble on a coach, it got us 3 premier league titles, 7 Fa cups and propelled the club into the top tier of world club football. I'm actually quite excited by this, it could turn out to be a great move or it could fail, but that you're already writing off Arteta simply because you've never seen him manage is pretty premature.
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Yes and "I would rather qualify and get KOed in round of 16 of CL than winning Europa league".
poch truly lifted spurs to a serious club. Winning 1 cup and causing havoc won’t be worth it. If Mourinho gets his way his clubs will be filled with late 20s early 30s tall players with big contracts. Once he leaves it’s your mess