Michael Oliver

Was this guy bullied as a child? or did mummy and daddy not give him enough attention? Guy sure loves a power trip. Always seems like he has a point to prove against us, and it doesn't help that Hazard is treated like a protected species by every ref in the league.
 
Looking at that yellow again and I'm even more baffled by it.

Dangerous? No.
State of play dangerous enough to warrant it "cynical"? Nope.
The accumulation of a series of previously unpunished fouls? Nope.
 
K2K said:
The whole t3am was.

So the next similar foul was likely to be a card.

Sadly it happened to be Herrera.
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There is no rule to that effect anywhere. What nonsense.

Now every foul on Hazard will be a booking but not on other players ?
 
A sh!t project ref.
Everyone knows he's a weak ref, put a lot of work into promoting him this quick.
 
Glory Glory Denis Irwin said:
You can, and it happens often. When a team is targeting the best player on the other side and all taking turns to foul him then the ref will take the captain to one side and warn him about it. It's been happening for a long, long time.
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That doesn't make any sense since it's not like Smalling can magically communicate this warning to all his teammates in 10 seconds.
 
Acole9 said:
The comments in here must be through rose tinted specs. He just warned Jones for his third offence then Herrera foolishly goes and does that.
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Except Jones accumulation gets Jones a card.

There is no law that should effect herrera there. What bizarre logic this is.
 
cyberman said:
That is how it works, I remember Pep threatening to sub Messi because the opposition were using this exact tactic.
Using this logic then a rough game would have 3/4 red cards each side if everybody on the team is held accountable for others stupidity
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That wouldn't happen because not every rough game has a team persistently fouling a player in a short space of time like we were doing here. Usually things calm down after a while and normal tackles start to be just fouls again instead of cards. This was a clear final warning and Herrera didn't heed it.
 
at best Oliver has been foolish and over reactive.....didnt give himself a chance to think about the decision
 
Both of Herrera's yellows were soft. The second one didn't even have contact. We should be debating the first one, however, since Herrera was bound to get a booking just after Oliver told Smalling he'd book the next player who brings Hazard down.

Smalling should have communicated to his squad to keep it low for awhile. Herrera gave the ref no other option but to stamp his authority on the game, which he must have been happy to do. I don't think we can complain about it.

However, Cahill should have been booked for pulling Rashford down. That was a bottled decision.
 
Shane88 said:
The decision was soft but not wrong.

With that said, he does have a pretty obvious agenda against United.
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What's it a yellow card based on? What makes that challenge a yellow exactly?
 
Alex99 said:
That isn't a rule though. You can't make up stupid rules just because someone's being fouled a bit. Not like Hazard doesn't flop a lot either.
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In absolute fairness refs can and do make up their own rules and this is definitely one of them. Giving a yellow card for 'team fouling' can be good game management.

What's not good game management is to give it to a player already on a yellow who hasn't been fouling because you fecked up and didn't book the one that was.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure how it can be justified that a ref can tell an entire team that the next foul on a player is a definite yellow.

Hazard has been caught a few times, mostly due to his pace, but you should still judge each challenge on it's merits otherwise you are directly influencing the game.

Even if you just warn the captain to tell his players to calm it, that's one thing, but putting yourself in the position like this because you've actually said it is just ridiculous and not actually in the rules. Both Herrera and Oliver have been stupid here, no doubt, but I'm not having all this he had no choice nonsense.
 
Ainu said:
That wouldn't happen because not every rough game has a team persistently fouling a player in a short space of time like we were doing here. Usually things calm down after a while and normal tackles start to be just fouls again instead of cards. This was a clear final warning and Herrera didn't heed it.
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Warning was to Jones and can only be too Jones.

Their is no rule otherwise.

Anyway just answer this question. Now is Hazard declared a protected species by Oliver ?

And will every foul on Hazard from now on be a booking ?
 
NinjaFletch said:
Sure, but not a player that Herrera has been. To be sent off for two fouls, and the second one is as weak as that, is incredibly unfortunate. He's basically been sent off because Oliver bottled booking Jones.
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Possibly.

I would argue we've given the referee a very difficult job, by setting out to stop Hazard at all costs, and he's gotten it mostly right.
 
buckooo1978 said:
at best Oliver has been foolish and over reactive.....didnt give himself a chance to think about the decision
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That's what annoyed me the most. He had one hand going to his shirt pocket and the other going to his back pocket. He knew exactly who did the foul and couldn't wait to card him.
 
The most perfect example of confused, stupid thinking by a ref you'll see all season. Ruins what was shaping up as an epic match because he gets in a bit of a tizzy about the Jones call.

Yeah mate, that's what you're paid to do.
 
Ainu said:
That wouldn't happen because not every rough game has a team persistently fouling a player in a short space of time like we were doing here. Usually things calm down after a while and normal tackles start to be just fouls again instead of cards. This was a clear final warning and Herrera didn't heed it.
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Warning for what though? A player cannot be booked due to the repeat fouls of others.
Point the rule out to me and ill stand corrected. Oliver cannot be Hazards personal bodyguard above all others
 
Ainu said:
It doesn't work like that. If one player on your team fouls a player 4 times and the ref gives a final warning, the next tackle has a good chance of being a booking whether it's the same player or not. Otherwise you'd get each player thinking "oh he gives a couple of warnings first and I've only got one foul to my name, so I get a free shot". Herrera didn't really give Oliver a choice, he had to pull out the card. I suspect this won't be a popular opinion on here though.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Go read the actual rules before trying to tell people things.
 
Can we write to the FA to get this guy off of our games? The amount of times we've been shafted by this guy is immense.
 
Compare the refereeing here to the 2-0 win for Chelsea over Arsenal at the Bridge when Jose returned (2013 I think). They disrupted play equally, and got their 1st yellow in the 2nd half, after which Jose promptly subbed him off and got another fouling machine on. Chelsea won 2-0. (Not sure who that ref was).
Here every contact is a foul, and for some reason Hazard running into Herrera is a yellow too.

There has to be some balance between these extremes.
 
Clattenburg, by all means, is not the perfect ref but he lets high intensity games run their course and doesn't try to be the star. Him or one of the other refs needs to have a word with Oliver as he's just ruining games as a spectacle every time he's in charge of a big game.
 
Officiating has hit an all time low this season, the standard has to improve
 
The FA should look at this and think it's terrible refereeing for the game as a whole. Fa cup quarter final, 2 great teams, everyone wants to see an 11 vs 11 battle. The last thing anyone wants is a first half sending off as soft as that.
 
So he's sent off because of other peoples fouls? Incidents should be judged based on the incident and the previous conduct of the players who are involved in the incident, nothing else.
 
He can feck off, as usual. Can't bloody understand how some people rate him.
 
NinjaFletch said:
In absolute fairness refs can and do make up their own rules and this is definitely one of them. Giving a yellow card for 'team fouling' can be good game management.

What's not good game management is to give it to a player already on a yellow who hasn't been fouling because you fecked up and didn't book the one that was.
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Refs might make up their own rules, but they shouldn't. We see it all the time (and it was actually discussed on the last United Hour [/plug]) where refs officiate a game with a "score" of decisions in mind. They're often reluctant to send a player off for two blatant yellows, will give a 'big' decision to both teams to even it up, and in this case, blanket decisions across a team rather than taking incidents in isolation.
 
Acole9 said:
If it was a Chelsea player we'd expect him to go for that.
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No.
Anyways by Oliver's new rule Now is Hazard declared a protected species by Oliver ?

And will every foul on Hazard from now on be a booking ? If not, why not ?
 
they definitely talked about bringing in something along the 'team fouling' principle did they not?

or Oliver is trailblazing cos he's just brilliant like that
 
What the hell.. first was really soft by english standards.. then he ALSO goes for one the other which would not be a yellow in 8/10 situations

And none for Cahill. Biased as feck
 
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