Michael Keane| signed to Everton.
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I noticed that these past couple of daysPeople that are talking about £25m as a big money signing are living in the past. If Keane is being brought into give depth in place of Jones or Smalling this is fine. I don't think he's an improvement on Bailly or Rojo though at 24 he still has time to improve and I'd be more than happy for him to prove me wrong.
I've read Rio Ferdinand more than once say how highly he rates Michael Keane.
Think he's improved a lot since leaving United though obviously this is now a big step back up.
Think it's nailed on it will go through and hope it works out. A United lad - nothing I'd like more than to see him succeed here.
Think he's improved a lot since leaving United though obviously this is now a big step back up.
Think it's nailed on it will go through and hope it works out. A United lad - nothing I'd like more than to see him succeed here.
Why don't we sell these young players with buyback clauses? Would have saved us a lot of money with Pogba and now Keane. Even someone like Josh King, we could now buyback and sell him for a profit. Is this not just obvious business sense?
he is a United player, not just another overhyped English defender. Tuanzebe wont play many games next season anyway, at least in the league and CL.
United have so much money, they dont need it.
I think we are starting slowly, at least we included getting 25% from the next sale and also with Depay we have a clause to buy him for the next 2 years? Or at least first option
Yes, in some cases it would be an advantage to sell the young players that are having trouble breaking straight into our first team with a buy-back clause. The problem with these clauses is that in order to make the buying club accept to include them in a transfer deal, you have to lower the transfer fee of the players you are selling. If you do your job properly at the academy and the administration level of the club, you are so sure that these players don't have what it takes to become first team regulars for a team like Manchester United that this wouldn't pay off. However, with the recent cases of Pogba and Michael Keane, it is clear that because club made big mistakes when they let them go in the first place, a buy-back clause would have been profitable for United. But if you look back to the period where SAF was our manager, I can't think of anyone except Pique (and Pogba of course) that would have needed a buy-back clause. Pique would probably reject any offer from us, so the clause would have been useless in his case.
Pogba would never have been sold without a buy-back clause (if he had been sold at all) if he had signed a contract extension instead of leaving for free. The free transfer ment that it was impossible to include a such a clause in his case. When it comes to Joshua King, a buy-back clause wouldn't help in his case either. He was sold to Blackburn Rovers, but then sold on to Bournemouth, which would have cancelled an eventual buy-back clause. I doubt that we would have bought him back directly from Blackburn as he wasn't playing very well for them.
However, it seems like the club has learned from the Pogba and Michael Keane cases, and included a buy-back clause when Memphis was sold to Lyon. The club obviously sees that he still has the potential to become a world class player, but that he needed to leave the club in order to to so. I expect that if the likes of Januzaj and Varela are sold this summer, the transfers would include buy-back clauses.
I want Jones and Smalling binned for this lad. He and Tuanzeve should be our next first team England CBs.
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Pogba's contract run out. We didn't sell him. As for the others it would probably reduce the price we would get and if we wanted them back why sell them in the first place when we could just send them out on loan.
Cahill was in his mid-twenties when he moved, so had a bit more experience. He'd played for a couple of clubs pretty consistently, particularly Bolton, where he really made a name for himself. Keane's reputed fee now is pretty similar, but we'd be paying for someone who's already good and with the potential to really improve around a manager like Mourinho. Could end up being a very similar move.
I think centre backs for poor clubs thrive as they are exposed to such a volume of attacks that the odd last ditch tackle or good defensive header makes their performance seem better than it is.
It's a different ball game playing for a big club where all mistakes are amplified. You have to be of a much higher level than Michael Keane that's for sure.
It's a different ball game playing for a big club where all mistakes are amplified. You have to be of a much higher level than Michael Keane that's for sure.
My feelings, too. Applies especially to GK's. More opportunity to stand out due to being on the back-foot all the time.
Josh Harrop is also on holiday with him, which is unusual because unlike Jesse, Harrop isn't from the same crop of academy players as Keane (about 3 years younger).
It's why I'm extremely weary of Pickford and to be honest, I don't get all the hype. Mignolet looked extremely good too when he was at a shit Sunderland side.
I think Keane is ok but no more than that, really. The point @An Irish Red made is a good one and I don't feel I've seen anything exceptional from Keane that would make me, want us to re-sign him. I mean he's probably no better than Jones or Smalling (neither of whom I particularly rate) so he would be a pretty meh signing. If we could get decent money for Jones and sign Keane for a similar amount, then yeah that would be fine with me as Keane is obviously far more reliable fitness wise.
He wasn't good enough first time around, but apparently now he is?
Players progress with regular football and age, Colin.
He wasn't good enough for LVG.
This is partly why I oppose the transfer. If Tuanzebe had regular football he would make similar, if not better, progress as Keane. Why buy Keane then?
I hope Keane proves me wrong if we sign him. I am not convinced though. If I had to put money on it I'd wager Tuanzebe has greater potential.
I know man. Juve said the same about Christian Vieri left and then wouldn't stop scoring goals. Mad.
Could be a good addition, good defender and was always very comfortable on the ball. Obviously a united lad and that means something. 25m is peanuts these days sadly, and exactly how much a rotational CB should cost.
Would prefer Marquinos that the papers spoke about today but presume he would cost decent money, at least double what we would pay for keane, and we need a striker and griezmann so I don't see us doing that kind of business
Would prefer Marquinos that the papers spoke about today but presume he would cost decent money, at least double what we would pay for keane, and we need a striker and griezmann so I don't see us doing that kind of business
If he turns out to be our only cb signing this summer then I'd be very underwhelmed with him. He has improved since leaving as you'd expect through first team exposure in the premier league but for me he isn't any better than what we currently have.
I was hoping for better, but I'll admit to not watching Burnley too closely. Homegrown United lad, rarely injured, reasonable fee. I guess I can talk myself into being fine with this, if not quite ecstatic.
Would be a good addition, and think underlines that we need more bodies in CB, but the quality of our defence is actually very good.
our manage is jose mourinho so maybe get used to this. He sold KDB who promptly became a 55m pound player. Don't let it fool you that he played 11 kids in a game that meant nothing, he isn't going to give game time to kids and let them catch up, he is going to sign finished articles. Martial is sadly exactly the type of player he will sell, and he is a lot further along than Tuanzebe.
Can't be bothered checking through the thread, but he's on holiday with Lingard.
Well because Keane got 30 plus games a season at the highest level. Where is Tuanzabe going to find that next year? It won't be at United.
Which of the top managers has given game time to kids in the premier league, last season? Also, is Rashford not a kid?
His decision with KDB was also vindicated, considering he won the league with his replacement.
He was loaned out 4 years in a row and eventually sold to Burnley, he is now 24. Suddenly he's back as United quality? I'm not buying into it.
I have no objection. On the very little I have seen about him, he was solid.
Mourinho could have gone for any CB he wanted. Yet he's chosen this guy.
I have 100% confidence in Mouinho when it comes to sorting out a defense.
I have 100% confidence in Mouinho when it comes to sorting out a defense.
He didn't even get to play CB in games that meant nothing. Mourinho ain't going to give him regular game time. He is better off on loan than wasting a year like TFM.
I have not seen a lot of Keane this year since I didn't watch a lot of Burnley games.
How has he been? From what I know he's good in the air and stations himself well but Burnley have a tighter defence than top sides. A club like ours will have more space between the defenders, wouldn't it be a different sort of test for Keane and is he the right man for it? Also is he any good on the ball?
How has he been? From what I know he's good in the air and stations himself well but Burnley have a tighter defence than top sides. A club like ours will have more space between the defenders, wouldn't it be a different sort of test for Keane and is he the right man for it? Also is he any good on the ball?
Not very keen but he is a solid defender with good injury record and would definitely improve our squad. Think he would be below Bailly and Rojo in the pecking order, on par with Smalling and above Jones (whom I don't rate that much and think we will get rid this summer).
Much rather get him than spunk some crazy money on Lindelof.
Much rather get him than spunk some crazy money on Lindelof.
I haven't seen much of Burnley and I'm sure he's a very decent player but this is such an uninspiring signing. Is he actually a better defender than Jones and Smalling or just in better form? Suppose it might make sense if we're selling both of them, buying an established CB and need a less injury-prone backup player who counts as home-grown. Let's see what happens. I'm not that enthused.
Herrera was not rated much by LVG but been one of our best players this season, different managers have different idea's. Not very often Jose gets a CB wrong to be fair.
He isn't injured for 90% of the season, which is a start at least.
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Mignolet actually looked pretty good unlike Pickford who's already made plenty of errors. No idea why he's rated so highly.
As for Keane, I see him as a solid if unspectacular choice. Smalling, Jones and Rojo are probably all as good and likely better but struggle for fitness so aren't of much use.
Probably will be our Cahill which I'd take.
At some stage United need to move on from Smalling and Jones.
Yes they could still become better and less injury prone but they have had sooo many seasons and have never proved themselves for more than a couple of months.
Smalling is 28 in November, so i'm open to the idea of Keane replacing him and forming a partnership with Bailly.
Yes they could still become better and less injury prone but they have had sooo many seasons and have never proved themselves for more than a couple of months.
Smalling is 28 in November, so i'm open to the idea of Keane replacing him and forming a partnership with Bailly.
There's also the matter of two years of playing regularly that helped Keane develop. It's not something we were ever going to give him. Also, you can never know for certain how a player will develop.
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