Some tweets saying United have a sell on clause of 25% fee which means he's available to us for 18 million. True??
Michael Keane| signed to Everton.
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18m is not that bad. As long of course that we sign him as a backup
Expect him to be our first signing, since he's probably the easiest.
Yeah and also expect him to shut some people on here off.
I doubt he reads the Caf.
I think he'll be good, people just want big names all the time. Our defense has been really good this season except the injury crisis, if his injury record with us is better than Jones and Smalling then he's going to be a very good edition. Defense is Jose's strongest part as a manager and he showed this the whole even with continuous chopping and changing of the back 4 we always looked solid.
Forgetting for a second that I don't think he's actually good enough and forgetting that it's another embarrassment for the club signing back a youth product we sold for peanuts isn't he in the last year of his contract with Burnley? Surely our need for him isn't that great we can't wait a year?
Hmm can we stop using this phrase ? I'm struggling to understand what's the embarrassing part in this.
We bought Pogba for 89m, if that was embarrassing for some, buying Keane back for 20m woudlnt be embarrassing anymore. Spending 15m or 20m on him is peanuts for us, so we woudlnt have to wait another season. Plus other clubs could be circling around him.
We let this guy go for pennies because he wasn't deemed good enough and now we are trying to bring him back to go in to a team after one good season in an average premier league team.
He isn't any better than what we currently have and would just put Axel down the pecking order.
This is a complete fabrication, a lot of people here want van Dijk, others wanted Lindelof, the top pick outside of Bonucci was Alderweireld, none of these are big names in any way shape or form, in fact with CB's there really isn't such a thing. Now if you meant people don't want British players then you're right, but it's not hard to fathom why, by in large we haven't produced much of note since Rooney, there's basically Bale and the potential of Kane and Dele, but beyond that it's been a bunch of mediocrity.
Axel hasnt played as a Cb for us anyway.
Think we have to forget the "we sold him for xxx and now we are paying zzzz to get him back -don't we know what we are doing" mantra of some redcafers. Fact is Jose didn't sell him so to all intents and purposes it is irrelevant Keane was here before. If the same manager sold and then bought back that would be worthy of comment
Similar with Pogba it was SAF that sold him for reasons known to all, buying him back was Jose's call.
Similar with Pogba it was SAF that sold him for reasons known to all, buying him back was Jose's call.
You don't think it makes the club look foolish selling a player for 2m and buying him back 2/3 years later for 25m?
He doesn't need to. He just need to perform.
I know but cb is his bets position, signing another overhyped English defender would just delay that.
A manager sold him, another manager saw him good and wanted to get him, so what's the problem of the club in this ? It's the problem of the manager that wanted to get rid of him from the first place, and the problem of having managers with opposite opinions as LVG and Jose. The club only does what the manager demands.
Putting Axel down ? Can we stop the strange obsession of worrying about young players future while buying new players ? I don't care what happen to anyone of them. We shouldn't anyway. Club is much more important than the future of one player.
No, unlike other clubs we give our managers complete control over ins and outs, so the blame lies on the manager that sold said player.
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Also yeah, the dark days of 2009-2013 when we won the title every other year and got to the champions league final twice. Awful times.
Maybe I misread your post, you said he'd shut some people on here off.
Fergie didn't sell Pogba he left on a free and the exceptional circumstance with him is he went on to be come a world class midfielder
I have no problem with the club bringing back Keane but wait 12 months and get him on a free, don't spend 25m on him now (especially when we sold him for 2m)
Dijk and Lindelof are just the known names to everyone where. The problem with us is we list players that we like as a destined success and other player as a failure. City brought Mangala and Otamendi who were big names with lots of speculation around them , and they both failed to deliver what expected, especially Mangala who's considered now a flop. The market doesn't work like that and lovely names that the fans want are sure success. You may bring a less known player and be much better for you.
I am struggling to make sense of this one.
None of these players are big names, especially Lindelof and van Dijk, in fact I'm pretty sure most had never heard of him before we were linked with him. All 3 players, Keane/van Dijk/Lindelof, are nothing but maybe's, all minor names in football, people who have watched all 3 simply have a preference based on what they've seen.
If we sign Keane what happens to bailly and Rojo? They should be our first choice partnership
Rojo improved a massively this year really making that position his own and we looked very shaky defensively when He got his injury.
Unless Jose is going to play 3 at the back or something.
Rojo improved a massively this year really making that position his own and we looked very shaky defensively when He got his injury.
Unless Jose is going to play 3 at the back or something.
Difference is Van Dijk has been impressing people whilst playing in the Premier League and Champions League over the last few years, whilst Michael Keane has done nothing spectacular during his short spell at Burnley.
Lindelof, yes, but Dijk is well known to any EPL fan and is target for other big clubs as Liverpool. Can you tell me what will make you prefer Lindelof over Keane for example ?
That doesn't guarantee both of them as a success or failure. I thought I mentioned the defenders City bought ?
Thinking about it, City has brought some very supposed-to-be-good defenders and still are 100% dependent on Kompany.
Keane can very easily become a very good signing for us, and anyway, defense isn't our biggest problem.
Keane was also touted as a target for Liverpool and Chelsea, same as van Dijk, especially once he got the England call-up. As far as Lindelof vs Keane, I'm not really sold on either in truth but Lindelof is more agile and better on the ball so he just edges it for me, but I'm not all that bothered as Jose is good with CB's.
That's the point
And anyway, I'm concerned this summer with our signings in the attack more than defense, as I'm not really worried about defense with Jose as the manager.
Both could be a success, both could be massive flops but from what we know of the players and what we've seen of them in this league and in European competition already I'd rather take the chance on Van Dijk.
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Also yeah, the dark days of 2009-2013 when we won the title every other year and got to the champions league final twice. Awful times.
Exactly. Buying mercenaries to sell shirts and secure more advertising revenue for Woodward has seen the club fall to 6th in the league.
Jose wants compatible players, functional components of his war machine.
Michael Keane is a good, solid, all-round defender and better than Rojo was 12 months ago before Mourinho straightened him out; a few seemingly prefer Lindelof, who I'd assume even fewer of whom have actually seen play. But he wears a Benfica kit and would cost £15m more, so must be better.
That's the point
And anyway, I'm concerned this summer with our signings in the attack more than defense, as I'm not really worried about defense with Jose as the manager.
I agree, I don't want Keane as I don't think he'll ever be more than average, but defense is often about the parts so I don't really care, the attack is much more vital.
Nobody heard of Van Dijk? What are you going on about now. People on here were rating him going back to his Celtic days. I admit that I was one of those who didn't want to sign him from Celtic as the SPL is a piss poor league.
If we gonna get CB,hope we are getting someone for first XI,otherwise i rather see Axel or TFM getting more chance and progressing there.
Back in your box stalker, I was referring to Lindelof.
The fact Michael Keane is a name people here recognize is probably the biggest reason people want him here
Honestly think he'll shove the words down a lot of peoples throats if/when we sign him. Especially with Mourinho and his staff working with him every single day. Would not shed a tear if we re-signed him. Central defense is the absolute worst position in the world at the minute for value for money. If there is a world class defender out there, they simple arent on the market. There's no Jaap Stam's or Rio Ferdinand's available. I'd be happy with Bailly and Keane with Tuanzebe, Blind and TFM as back up until Rojo gets back. I'd say protection for the back 4 is way more of a issue than the actual back form at the minute. We need a Defensive midfielder to set our attackers free and to help out our centre halfs.
Is there a big gap in quality between Keane now and say, Cahill when he signed for Chelsea? Cahill worked out quite well, he was pretty cheap mind.
I hope so. I think Tuanzebe will prove to be better than Keane. Can't recall Keane being able to win a one on one battle with a player of Alexis' quality. Tuanzebe did that on his first league start.
Tuanzebe is better now than Keane was when Keane was his age. Keane is not in Bailly's class, I'm not sure he's better than Rojo at centre-back, he has the advantage of being less injury prone than Jones and Smalling admittedly. Honestly, I'm unconvinced by the idea of bringing him back. I see him as an obstacle to Axel's development.
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