Michael Keane| signed to Everton.

Do you want Michael Keane back at United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 259 43.0%

  • No

    Votes: 172 28.6%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 171 28.4%
  • Total voters
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cheeky_backheel said:
Varane is also injury prone and he is also better than Pepe.

Pepe has never been as good as Kompany and never will be and Kompany is 3yrs younger than him.
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Kompany has had the worst season in City shirt and has been injury prone lately. Pepe EURO level last year is better than what Kompany did in the last two years. Makes no sense tbh.

If you consider Pepe not being at his peak at the moment you should do the same for Kompany who is a shadow this year of the defender he was at his peak.
 
I don't think Keane's good enough to be a starter for a club of our stature and it's for this reason that I don't want us to sign him. We've got a lot of players starting many games when in reality they are fringe players. We should look to buy Players (specially CBs) that are good enough to be starters and relegate the likes of Smalling and Jones to the bench. No shortage of bench players at the club.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Kompany has had the worst season in City shirt and has been injury prone lately. Pepe EURO level last year is better than what Kompany did in the last two years. Makes no sense tbh.
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Kompany has missed games, but when he played, he has played quite well and his return helped Guardiola shore up his defence that was in shambles.

You keep on referencing Pepe's euro performance, but United do not play in the Euros. What is of interest is what his recent performance has been at club level and that is nothing to write home about.

If Pepe is as good as you claim, then explain why Madrid, who have only Ramos, Varane and Nacho as CBs are not offering him an extension? The only clubs linked to him are Inter Milan and some club in China!
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Kompany has missed games, but when he played, he has played quite well and his return helped Guardiola shore up his defence that was in shambles.

You keep on referencing Pepe's euro performance, but United do not play in the Euros. What is of interest is what his recent performance has been at club level and that is nothing to write home about.

If Pepe is as good as you claim, then explain why Madrid, who have only Ramos, Varane and Nacho as CBs are not offering him an extension? The only clubs linked to him are Inter Milan and some club in China!
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I disagree, Kompany has been very poor lately and also injury prone. Pepe had injury riddled season and the EURO was the last time he was fit for a string of games hence I mention it. Kompany hasn't look remotely close to his level since 2 years.

As I've said you can't compare Nacho, Varane etc to him last season due to all the injuries he has had.

FWIW Evans has been better than Keane in the last 2 seasons, do you want him back?
 
Enigma_87 said:
I disagree, Kompany has been very poor lately and also injury prone. Pepe had injury riddled season and the EURO was the last time he was fit for a string of games hence I mention it. Kompany hasn't look remotely close to his level since 2 years.

As I've said you can't compare Nacho, Varane etc to him last season due to all the injuries he has had.

FWIW Evans has been better than Keane in the last 2 seasons, do you want him back?
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You still did not answer the question: Why is your top 10 defender Pepe not getting a contract extension from Real Madrid?
 
cheeky_backheel said:
You still did not answer the question: Why is your top 10 defender Pepe not getting a contract extension from Real Madrid?
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Can be multiple factors really, not getting a longer deal, but only 1 year, not agreeing on the salary, age, the injuries last season etc. That doesn't mean he's worse than Kompany tho.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Can be multiple factors really, not getting a longer deal, but only 1 year, not agreeing on the salary, age, the injuries last season etc. That doesn't mean he's worse than Kompany tho.
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Real Madrid has not made an offer, so it is not a case of negotiations breaking down. Wanna try again?

It is shocking that you want us to sign a player that cant even get an extension offer even if only to be the 4th choice CB at Madrid.

Kompany on the other hand has the trust of Guardiola.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Real Madrid has not made an offer, so it is not a case of negotiations breaking down. Wanna try again?

It is shocking that you want us to sign a player that cant even get an extension offer even if only to be the 4th choice CB at Madrid.

Kompany on the other hand has the trust of Guardiola.
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You don't really know how negotiations are going on or what's behind closed doors. It's speculation at best.

For the record I don't want us to sign Pepe or Keane. I'd like us to sign a more experienced CB who is better than either of them.
 
Enigma_87 said:
You don't really know how negotiations are going on or what's behind closed doors. It's speculation at best.

For the record I don't want us to sign Pepe or Keane. I'd like us to sign a more experienced CB who is better than either of them.
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I am not speculating, cos the player himself admitted he was waiting for an offer from the club and he is willing to wait till June 30 when his current contract expires.

Nobody is touting Keane as some WC CB and yes it would be great to sign an experienced WC CB but the current market is not favorable. A lot of the big clubs, Madrid, Man City, Liverpool, and Chelsea will likely be in the market and there will be very few WC CBs up for grabs, which likely results in inflated prices. It is better to get a cheap but good CB this summer and spend the money on other areas of need. Next summer we can get better value with less competition.

Keane is young, has all the basics and he is better than Smalling imo. He can take a place in the rotation with a chance of cementing a starting spot. At £20m+ he is not a bargain, but then he is not the only option available and the existence of the sell on clause means if he becomes overpriced due to interest from other clubs, we can take our portion of his transfer fee and add it to our kitty to buy someone else e.g. Lindelof.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
I am not speculating, cos the player himself admitted he was waiting for an offer from the club and he is willing to wait till June 30 when his current contract expires.

Nobody is touting Keane as some WC CB and yes it would be great to sign an experienced WC CB but the current market is not favorable. A lot of the big clubs, Madrid, Man City, Liverpool, and Chelsea will likely be in the market and there will be very few WC CBs up for grabs, which likely results in inflated prices. It is better to get a cheap but good CB this summer and spend the money on other areas of need. Next summer we can get better value with less competition.

Keane is young, has all the basics and he is better than Smalling imo. He can take a place in the rotation with a chance of cementing a starting spot. At £20m+ he is not a bargain, but then he is not the only option available and the existence of the sell on clause means if he becomes overpriced due to interest from other clubs, we can take our portion of his transfer fee and add it to our kitty to buy someone else e.g. Lindelof.
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Keane has not proven himself more than Jones and Smalling IMO. He has one good season is 24 at the moment (just a year younger than Jones) and I don't think he brings anything more or is better than either of Jones/Smalling at this point. He's not under pressure at Burnley as he will be at United and I don't see huge potential anyway.

We should be aiming higher than your average PL CB who had a good season for a midtable side.

At this point as I already said in the thread I'd take Evans before Keane - more experienced, more proven and generally has played better than Keane in the last two seasons.

You are looking at 30m+ not 20m IMO.
 
prath92 said:
He had a good second half of the season in 14-15, good season in the championship in 15-16 and a good season in te PL in 16-17.
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Good enough to be the centre back we should be targeting in an area that needs a quality signing or good enough for Burnley?
 
Now we have Champions league football it might just happen...
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Thats not true. Jones is too injured to be available, Smalling is a disaster waiting to happen and Blind has no business playing CB unless a last resort.

Given that Rojo is likely out for the first half of the season, and there is no telling in what condition he will return, we need at least one new CBs. I think Keane is ok for the slot, but if you think otherwise, please name someone else.

It is unproductive to say no to Keane when you cant offer a better alternative.
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Whole point I made is that none of our centre backs are good enough to be nailed on starters for me bar Bailly. So why sign another that is actually worse than all the ones we have? You really want me to name alternatives as there are literally hundreds? We WONT sign Keane anyway, I would be shocked if Mourinho wants to sign him for £25m, dont forget Bailly cost £30m and in his first season was twice the player Keane will ever be, why dont we resign JOhnny Evans while we are at it?
 
jesperjaap said:
Whole point I made is that none of our centre backs are good enough to be nailed on starters for me bar Bailly. So why sign another that is actually worse than all the ones we have? You really want me to name alternatives as there are literally hundreds? We WONT sign Keane anyway, I would be shocked if Mourinho wants to sign him for £25m, dont forget Bailly cost £30m and in his first season was twice the player Keane will ever be, why dont we resign JOhnny Evans while we are at it?
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There are literally hundreds but we have not been linked with more than a handful? All the other clubs that are rumored to be interested in him must also be blind and Southgate too must be stupid. Of course, since there are hundreds, you must be able to provide the name of at least one of them that is available at £25m or less.

Keane is better than what we have available and those that are significantly better than him will cost significantly more. What use is a player who cant stay fit enough to play more than a handful of games. At 24, Keane is better than Smalling, Jones and Blind, and has enough room to improve.

A little trip down memory lane. Bonucci at 22 didnt show enough potential at Inter Milan under Mourinho and was sold to Bari, who like Burnley were newly promoted. After one season, Juventus bought him for €16m. Thats about the same price United paid for Smalling that same summer. Failing to make it at an initial top club does not mean the player lacks potential or will fail to bloom later.
 
He has a year left on his contract? How are Burnley asking 25mill?
Ask him to sit tight a season and make a promise to resign him on a huge bonus. Surely.
 
If Smalling & Jones could avoid injury issues, Keane wouldn't be a consideration. I found it a bit interesting how quickly they felt better after Jose moaned about some players not fighting thru some pain (i.e. pain vs injury). Maybe the kick in the butt got them thinking the gravy train is going away if I deal with some of the pain.

Given the above, I'd rather keep on with Smalling & Jones rather than bringing back Keane. Yeah, maybe Keane is more available, but then maybe he's not the standard we need day in/day out. We know Smalling & Jones are more than capable backups and when in form are good starters as well. Keane isn't better than either 2 and for 25mil, you should expect that person to really challenge for a starting spot, but based on this year's play, we already have our long term starters (Bailly & Rojo). Save the cash for other spots.
 
RU Devil said:
If Smalling & Jones could avoid injury issues, Keane wouldn't be a consideration. I found it a bit interesting how quickly they felt better after Jose moaned about some players not fighting thru some pain (i.e. pain vs injury). Maybe the kick in the butt got them thinking the gravy train is going away if I deal with some of the pain.

Given the above, I'd rather keep on with Smalling & Jones rather than bringing back Keane. Yeah, maybe Keane is more available, but then maybe he's not the standard we need day in/day out. We know Smalling & Jones are more than capable backups and when in form are good starters as well. Keane isn't better than either 2 and for 25mil, you should expect that person to really challenge for a starting spot, but based on this year's play, we already have our long term starters (Bailly & Rojo). Save the cash for other spots.
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If we keep both smalling and jones then we'll have the same injury crisis again every season the same as we have been. At least one needs to go.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
If we keep both smalling and jones then we'll have the same injury crisis again every season the same as we have been. At least one needs to go.
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This. It's not about talent anymore. It's how reliable these players when schedule come thick. What the point of being squad players but you're out injured same time when first choices are not available or need a rest. Sometimes squad players may not need to be too talented, but just fit thus being reliable aka O'Shea
 
RU Devil said:
If Smalling & Jones could avoid injury issues, Keane wouldn't be a consideration. I found it a bit interesting how quickly they felt better after Jose moaned about some players not fighting thru some pain (i.e. pain vs injury). Maybe the kick in the butt got them thinking the gravy train is going away if I deal with some of the pain.

Given the above, I'd rather keep on with Smalling & Jones rather than bringing back Keane. Yeah, maybe Keane is more available, but then maybe he's not the standard we need day in/day out. We know Smalling & Jones are more than capable backups and when in form are good starters as well. Keane isn't better than either 2 and for 25mil, you should expect that person to really challenge for a starting spot, but based on this year's play, we already have our long term starters (Bailly & Rojo). Save the cash for other spots.
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They wouldn't and that's nullify the rest of your post sadly enough. We tried it multiple seasons already.

We need an extra defender whether Smalling and Jones remain or not.
 
ti vu said:
This. It's not about talent anymore. It's how reliable these players when schedule come thick. What the point of being squad players but you're out injured same time when first choices are not available or need a rest. Sometimes squad players may not need to be too talented, but just fit thus being reliable aka O'Shea
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Don't dare bring St O'Shea into such an argument.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
John O'Shea had plenty of talent and hate how people make it seem he had a career at United by luck.
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Talented enough to be a great servant at this club for that long, yes. Supreme talent to stay as starter for extended period? No
 
Agent Lingard on a vacation with Keane in Dubai. I know a fair few that would like to see Lingard shipped to Burnley though.
 
This does not have any logic. He is not better than any of our defenders. I would even say that all are better than him. So why spend 30 mil for backup player? Especially when we need quality not quantity in defence.
We have 4 defenders plus blind plus tfm plus tuanzebe. Lets just buy top defender.
 
Surprised that 50% of the voters on the poll actually want him back here for the price quuoted.

If we're spending big money on a defender I'd rather we bought quality, not someone who is arguably not better than any of our current options.
 
This and the Perisic rumours REALLY have me worried for the future of Manchester United. I hope we don't go back to the dark days of the 2009-2013 when the Glazers simply refused to buy anyone of the highest quality. They paid some of the billions stolen from the club back with Pogba. But they need at least nother 35-to-40 transfer seasons of the same caliber before even considering going back to the money saving era.
 
Really don't want this guy back, he's had an okay season at a lower table club. We should be aiming higher than a guy we let leave for pennies few years ago. Is he even any better than Jones and Smalling? He might not be as injured as much as Jones especially but he isn't better than them.
 
How can anyone be excited by this. Another Jones/Smalling signing. Waiting years for an English CB to prove his worth. The last thing Eric Bailly needs is Keane learning on the job like John Stones. We already have Axel Tuanzebe why bring in another player to completely kill his development.

I think a more experienced CB is needed.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
This and the Perisic rumours REALLY have me worried for the future of Manchester United. I hope we don't go back to the dark days of the 2009-2013 when the Glazers simply refused to buy anyone of the highest quality. They paid some of the billions stolen from the club back with Pogba. But they need at least nother 35-to-40 transfer seasons of the same caliber before even considering going back to the money saving era.
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Yea, we have hardly spent a penny on transfers in recent years
 
I would be happy to sell Smalling and Jones and bring in Keane and Van Dijk. Keane alone would be a bit underwhelming if we want to go for the big trophies.
 
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