Michael Keane| signed to Everton.

[Mike09]

Mourinho really indeed loves our youth product. He brought back Pogba, offered Lingard a new contract, play Rashford ahead of Martial, Mata and Mkhy and play a lot of youth against Crystal Palace. And now potentially he might bring back Keane.

I do believe Keane is still nowhere near Smalling and Jones. But with Mourinho's style, Keane can improved defensively and the most important thing is that we are replacing injury prone with non injury prone. Both Smalling and Jones combined are cost more than Keane so this is "may be" a good additional.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Don't rate any of our first team English players aside from Rashford. Keane has benefits; he'll help the home grown quota, he's a good defender and knows the club pretty well, he's of course a United fan and good chance that he's a mainstay in the national team. The only issue is that he's not worth the £25M fee being quoted and it's questionable if he's that much of an upgrade on Jones/Smalling.

If Rojo's back in his normal form, I can't see Keane starting over him either. It would be a strange signing but I wouldn't really be against it.

 

[khoazany]

Keane is better than Smalling as of 2017. Keane is not better than Jones but if Jones can be fit I don't mind him to be first choice actually.

So that's definitely an upgrade for me. There could be better ways to upgrade our defence, sure.

 

[POF]

drama queen

Good contribution. Well done.

 

[Stack]

well someone had to improve on the huge steaming pile you contributed.

 

[marukomu]

 

[ti vu]

How about we stop letting our players go and buying them back for massive fees. Out of principle we shouldn't be buying back players that have left. We look daft.

Lets aim higher if we're getting a new CB.

Buying back player when they get that experience & move up to that level, after letting them go is not that daft if you look at Barcelona: Pique Cesc, Alba, up coming Deulofeu(?)... Real Madrid: Cavarjal, Morata, Casemiro (!!! Yes. It's that strange)... Bayern: Hummels Dortmund: Kagawa, Gotze, Reus Atletico: Gabi

Keane would only be the second we let go & buy back in recent years (?) after Pogba. Pogba is a major feck up but it's under SAF regime. Pogba is no way a bad signing & still potentially even justify his fee in the future. In Keane case, it's LVG's decision to let him go. We at least slip in a sell on clause, so not too daft. If Mourinho really rate & see Keane as part of his team, then I don't see a problem buying the player at these rumor price since it's how English transfer works nowadays.

Our problem lies with the model we implement which heavily depended on manager, & we made a horrible mistake appointing manager. What if signing back players who was wrongly sold previous is vital part to fixing the mistake of previous regimes? Who cares about looking daft in case we maybe able to eventually meet our end goal?

I agree that I do want us to aim higher for another Bailly type of CB signing which IMO I don't see Keane in same bracket of talent. I do acknowledge Keane's strength in his aerial prowess which we lack with our current set of CBs. As I said earlier in this thread, I see that Keane is even better at heading than Smalling ( who is rumored for being let go) since he has more control on direction. Keane is a better footballer too. His lack of space is a major concern. Then I realize Terry made a hell of career despite being not that quick so we never know.

 

[prath92]

After one decent season why are people rating him highly, all of our centre backs are better than Keane and in my opnion only Bailly is good enough to be a first eleven player for us. Tuanzabe and/or Mensah could well be to in the future but as it stands we have four other squad centre backs, why sign another one that is no better than what we have?

He had a good second half of the season in 14-15, good season in the championship in 15-16 and a good season in te PL in 16-17.

 

[The red panther]

None of those are better alternatives to Keane

• Manolas - £45m+ and weak in the air
• Van Dijk - major injury and not worth the reported £50m
• Gimenez - Not for sale
• Marquinhos - £55m+
• Varane - Not for sale
• Koulibaly - £60m+
• Romagnoli - £40m and unlikely to be sold
• Laporte - Not for sale
• Lindelöf - 40m and not a country mile better, just higher potential
• Rugani - Not for sale
• De Vrij - £30m, Ok on the ball, very slow and terrible in the air. Worse than keane,
• Pepe (on a free !) - 34yrs and well past it, behind Nacho at madrid and not better than keane

Pepe not better than Keane

Give your head a woble

The prices you put forward for players are also way off the mark and Keane will cost near £30m aswell because Burnley will not let him go for cheap. For that price we can get a much better player.

 

[Blind]

None of those are better alternatives to Keane

• Manolas - £45m+ and weak in the air
• Van Dijk - major injury and not worth the reported £50m
• Gimenez - Not for sale
• Marquinhos - £55m+
• Varane - Not for sale
• Koulibaly - £60m+
• Romagnoli - £40m and unlikely to be sold
• Laporte - Not for sale
• Lindelöf - 40m and not a country mile better, just higher potential
• Rugani - Not for sale
• De Vrij - £30m, Ok on the ball, very slow and terrible in the air. Worse than keane,
• Pepe (on a free !) - 34yrs and well past it, behind Nacho at madrid and not better than keane

What the feck is this

 

[POF]

 

[Murray3007]

Pepe not better than Keane

Give your head a woble

The prices you put forward for players are also way off the mark and Keane will cost near £30m aswell because Burnley will not let him go for cheap. For that price we can get a much better player.

whos the better players we can get for 30m?

 

[The red panther]

whos the better players we can get for 30m?

Pay 5 or 10 more and get Manolas, it is a no brainer.

Get Pepe for free and save £30m

Just 2 options out of many

 

[Murray3007]

Pay 5 or 10 more and get Manolas, it is a no brainer.

Get Pepe for free and save £30m

Just 2 options out of many

bit of a contridiction with Manolas, plus still dont no how he would cope with the premiership so could easily turn out a dud,

Pepe aint a better defender then Keane, yes he's been a better defender in his prime but hes dropped a lot in standard this last season,

 

[The red panther]

bit of a contridiction with Manolas, plus still dont no how he would cope with the premiership so could easily turn out a dud,

Pepe aint a better defender then Keane, yes he's been a better defender in his prime but hes dropped a lot in standard this last season,

Pepe is still better, easily

Manolas would be a definite upgrade for our defence, I don't know why he couldn't cope with the PL, good player, much better than Keane

 

[devilish]

Keane would have been a great backup on cheap. 25m isn't cheap.

 

[The red panther]

Keane would have been a great backup on cheap. 25m isn't cheap.

Agreed

Would have made sense not to sell him and instead send him out on a loan and circumstances now would have been great for him to get a sniff in the team.

But for £25m no thank you, if we could have brought him some way for cheap through some kind of buyback clause than I wouldn't be against it. But £25m (and it probably will be even more) is just too much for a backup player that is largely unproven.

 

[devilish]

Agreed

Would have made sense not to sell him and instead send him out on a loan and circumstances now would have been great for him to get a sniff in the team.

But for £25m no thank you, if we could have brought him some way for cheap through some kind of buyback clause than I wouldn't be against it. But £25m (and it probably will be even more) is just too much for a backup player that is largely unproven.

exactly especially when our youth academy already have Tuanzebe whose hardly that far away from Keane.

 

[Niall]

Poll added

 

[Murray3007]

Pepe is still better, easily

Manolas would be a definite upgrade for our defence, I don't know why he couldn't cope with the PL, good player, much better than Keane

Pepe pretty awful as a defender most of the time, had a fantastic euro's in fairness but always getting involved in stuff he dont need to. so would not go near him

plenty players have came from italy and struggled with the premiership, never seen Manolas as any better then what we have or anything special as a defender.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Pepe pretty awful as a defender most of the time, had a fantastic euro's in fairness but always getting involved in stuff he dont need to. so would not go near him

plenty players have came from italy and struggled with the premiership, never seen Manolas as any better then what we have or anything special as a defender.

I would not want us to sign Pepe but, the bolded is just nonsense.

 

[Murray3007]

I would not want us to sign Pepe but, the bolded is just nonsense.

ok then

 

[Enigma_87]

bit of a contridiction with Manolas, plus still dont no how he would cope with the premiership so could easily turn out a dud,

Pepe aint a better defender then Keane, yes he's been a better defender in his prime but hes dropped a lot in standard this last season,

I guess you haven't followed him at all last season? Pepe has been injured most of the time hence only playing handful of matches. Saying Pepe is not a better defender than Keane is borderline insane.

 

[Murray3007]

I guess you haven't followed him at all last season? Pepe has been injured most of the time hence only playing handful of matches. Saying Pepe is not a better defender than Keane is borderline insane.

yes i seen him last season and he was pretty poor when i did, plus the fact hes a sheer coward of a man, hardly think its borderline insane because you seem to have a soft spot for someone

 

[Enigma_87]

yes i seen him last season and he was pretty poor when i did, plus the fact hes a sheer coward of a man, hardly think its borderline insane because you seem to have a soft spot for someone

As I've said he had calf, hamstring and fractured rib injuries that took him out for 80% of the season. He had little to no mach practice when he was on and was struggling with injuries pretty much the whole season.

Less than a year ago he was instrumental for his country EURO win and named man of the match in the final against France.

I don't have soft spot for Pepe, far from it, but he's clearly the better defender of the two.

 

[Murray3007]

As I've said he had calf, hamstring and fractured rib injuries that took him out for 80% of the season. He had little to no mach practice when he was on and was struggling with injuries pretty much the whole season.

Less than a year ago he was instrumental for his country EURO win and named man of the match in the final against France.

I don't have soft spot for Pepe, far from it, but he's clearly the better defender of the two.

So was Jose Fonte so lets no pretend that makes him a superstar, one of france best player was Sissoko and hes been pish for spurs this year and newcastle the year before. so you want us to sign a CB who had a year of injury problems, no premiership experience and is what 33/34ish rather then a young CB who's played to a high standard in the premiership this season and has played prob around 95% of there games, yeah seems a no a brainer.

 

[Red_Beans]

I dont get why it is 'embarrassing' to buy back former players. The U23 competition is a joke, loans almost never work and it is becoming increasingly difficult to develop your own young players in the first team. Keane is a better player today then he was when he sold him, and he would never of reached this level this quickly had he stayed with us. Buying your former academy players back after they have had a few years consistent first team football to develop makes sense to me.

That said I am not sold on Keane though

 

[Enigma_87]

So was Jose Fonte so lets no pretend that makes him a superstar, one of france best player was Sissoko and hes been pish for spurs this year and newcastle the year before. so you want us to sign a CB who had a year of injury problems, no premiership experience and is what 33/34ish rather then a young CB who's played to a high standard in the premiership this season and has played prob around 95% of there games, yeah seems a no a brainer.

Okay let's compare then.

Pepe had injury issues - granted that's true, but doesn't mean he's shot as he is generally not injury prone. He's a defender that won everything at club level, experienced and one of the best defenders in the world in the last several years. He'll come for free and plays in a dominant team in the league in Spain.

Then you have Keane with the "vast" PL experience of 57 games in a team that fights for relegation and defends deep. 24, haven't won anything on club level, even less experienced than literally all our defenders including Smalling and Jones(albeit only year younger than Jones) and had only one good year so far, with a price tag of around 25-30m pounds.

Yeah, tough choice.

 

[Murray3007]

Okay let's compare then.

Pepe had injury issues - granted that's true, but doesn't mean he's shot as he is generally not injury prone. He's a defender that won everything at club level, experienced and one of the best defenders in the world in the last several years. He'll come for free and plays in a dominant team in the league in Spain.

Then you have Keane with the "vast" PL experience of 57 games in a team that fights for relegation and defends deep. 24, haven't won anything on club level, even less experienced than literally all our defenders including Smalling and Jones(albeit only year younger than Jones) and had only one good year so far, with a price tag of around 25-30m pounds.

Yeah, tough choice.

never been near a top defender in world football,

a league where he dont actually need to defend while playing for Real, apart from v Barca

have you seen how deep we defend, might not be as bad as burnley but lets not pretend we sit high up the pitch attacking all the time,

it aint your money so dont get why the fee's a problem to people, we are one of the richest clubs in world football, 25m aint going to put us in debt, John Stones went for 50M, a CB who cant defend,

so yeah a hard choice would take Keane every day of the week.

 

[Enigma_87]

never been near a top defender in world football,

a league where he dont actually need to defend while playing for Real, apart from v Barca

have you seen how deep we defend, might not be as bad as burnley but lets not pretend we sit high up the pitch attacking all the time,

it aint your money so dont get why the fee's a problem to people, we are one of the richest clubs in world football, 25m aint going to put us in debt, John Stones went for 50M, a CB who cant defend,

so yeah a hard choice would take Keane every day of the week.

Can't agree on either point. La Liga is better than Premiership in the last couple of years that's for starters. Pretty much disagree on the rest as well. We can move on I guess as you don't rate Pepe at all I think.

 

[Murray3007]

Can't agree on either point. La Liga is better than Premiership in the last couple of years that's for starters. Pretty much disagree on the rest as well. We can move on I guess as you don't rate Pepe at all I think.

has a higher top level with Barca and Madrid but aint half as competitive as the premiership, nah just really shocked any one can really rate him as a top defender

 

[Enigma_87]

has a higher top level with Barca and Madrid but aint half as competitive as the premiership, nah just really shocked any one can really rate him as a top defender

He has played at the top for a while now and apart from Godin I don't see some outstanding CB's around so he should be right up there with the top 10. In a pure defensive sense I'd have him over Ramos, but that's another matter.

As for La Liga it's clearly better - Atletico, Real, Barca would most likely be the top 3 in Prem as well and Sevilla, Villareal, etc are not that far from the the top PL sides.

 

[Stacks]

Bailly cost 30 mill and is a much better prospect than Keane. Bailly is already highly rated and everyone in England admires him and notices the difference he makes to our defence. We don't need to waste 25-30 mill on Keane who plays for a team with no pressure in Burnley, who also shipped 55 goals. Keane is no better than our other British CB and is also overpriced. We should not be spending 30 odd mill on defenders who have only been tested in relegation survival.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

He has played at the top for a while now and apart from Godin I don't see some outstanding CB's around so he should be right up there with the top 10. In a pure defensive sense I'd have him over Ramos, but that's another matter.

As for La Liga it's clearly better - Atletico, Real, Barca would most likely be the top 3 in Prem as well and Sevilla, Villareal, etc are not that far from the the top PL sides.

Quick list of 10+ defenders better than Pepe (not in any order and not necessarily best in the world): Bonucci, Chielini, Ramos, Varane, Pique, Koulibaly, Kompany, Alderweireld, Thiago Silva, Umtiti, David Luiz, Godin, Savio and probably a few more that I havent listed

Pepe had fallen behind Varane since 2012 (under Mourinho) and currently cant get an extension from Madrid, meaning he is behind both Ramos, Varane and Nacho, but you think he is top 10? Top 10 defenders are not left waiting for a contract extension.

Pepe was very good in his prime when he had his athleticsm, even then he was always a risk of getting sent off. But he is now old, battered by injuries (he has been out for over 4 months this season) and lost his physical prowess. He is simply a shadow of his former self. He will probably end up in Serie A which is a slower league and more forgiving of old age.

So I stand by my earlier statement that keane is a better defender.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Bailly cost 30 mill and is a much better prospect than Keane. Bailly is already highly rated and everyone in England admires him and notices the difference he makes to our defence. We don't need to waste 25-30 mill on Keane who plays for a team with no pressure in Burnley, who also shipped 55 goals. Keane is no better than our other British CB and is also overpriced. We should not be spending 30 odd mill on defenders who have only been tested in relegation survival.

You dont find players like Bailly for that price every summer. Kudos to the club for finding him but you cannot use him as a yard stick.

 

[Enigma_87]

Quick list of 10+ defenders better than Pepe (not in any order and not necessarily best in the world): Bonucci, Chielini, Ramos, Varane, Pique, Koulibaly, Kompany, Alderweireld, Thiago Silva, Umtiti, David Luiz, Godin, Savio and probably a few more that I havent listed

Pepe had fallen behind Varane since 2012 (under Mourinho) and currently cant get an extension from Madrid, meaning he is behind both Ramos, Varane and Nacho, but you think he is top 10? Top 10 defenders are not left waiting for a contract extension.

Pepe was very good in his prime when he had his athleticsm, even then he was always a risk of getting sent off. But he is now old, battered by injuries (he has been out for over 4 months this season) and lost his physical prowess. He is simply a shadow of his former self. He will probably end up in Serie A which is a slower league and more forgiving of old age.

So I stand by my earlier statement that keane is a better defender.

Injuries, being old and some other criteria and you put Kompany on your list of defenders better than him?

 

[KingMinger22]

BUY.

 

[Stacks]

You dont find players like Bailly for that price every summer. Kudos to the club for finding him but you cannot use him as a yard stick.

They are there if you look for them. How much have Spurs spent on CBs? 30mill for the 2? Is Keane even better than Evans?

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Injuries, being old and some other criteria and you put Kompany on your list of defenders better than him?

Varane is also injury prone and he is also better than Pepe.

Pepe has never been as good as Kompany and never will be and Kompany is 3yrs younger than him.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

They are there if you look for them. How much have Spurs spent on CBs? 30mill for the 2? Is Keane even better than Evans?

Since you are sure they are there, then you must know of at least one of them, so can you please name him?