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Managers rarely ever point to poor attitude in public interviews whilst the player is with them. They'll sugarcoat it and try and resolve the problem directly with the player.

That said, Danny Blind himself had concerns that Depay has no idea how to work in a team. He said "In football, you must function in a team - and he doesn't always do that. I told him that when I called him to say he wasn't in the squad. It's something he has to learn."

Here is what Ronald Koeman had to say around the topic of Depay:

“He won’t play every game. I have learnt, while I am here in England, that Dutch players can’t make the jump to the top of the Premier League easily. And young players can’t play 38 games anyway.

And I see another lack of quality with the Dutch kids, that I have also noticed with other young stars in the Premier League: they don’t communicate! They behave like individuals. Stuck to their smartphones.’’

Here is what a well respected scout, Henk Grim, said about Depay from 5 years of tracking him:

“I always work with a list of five specific qualities: skills, tactics, physique, attitude, personality. I did not get any higher with my average ratings than 5.6 out of 10.

"And you know what brought the rating down most of all? The rating for his personality. It is only because of the fact that I could not go any lower than zero out of 10, otherwise I would have rated him well below that.

“It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd. I understand a boy can be in a period of having to grow up. With the intensive personal coaching at PSV Eindhoven they have managed to make an okay player of him".

If you add that to the training ground bust ups (apparently from a lack of respect towards RvP) and consistently failing to make match day squads, you find its definately not nonsense. It sounds very much that he's a selfish, stubborn player who has his priorities wrong.




Ok, fair enough. But I think I bolstered the point through other quotes/sources above.
Thanks for the effort!

Why wouldn't Mourinho and Louis van Gaal do that, but Blind would?

Henk Grim is a official acknowledged scout, but he's not some renowned scout, who has scouted dozens of talents who have developed into stars, he's not really a somebody here in Holland (Don't know if you're Dutch yourself). Depay was about 15 when he made that report, and you want to relate that to now? Come on, many teenagers are mouthy, especially someone like Depay who's quite known for his determination and will to win every match, it's a 1 + 1 = 2 that something like that can happen for a 15 year old.

And what Blind said, I can relate to that but I don't think that's a symptom or cause of bad/poor attitude. It's the type of player he is, I don't think it's good, but some players when they get on the field they always want to be the star, the one that makes something happen, the one that's the star, the focal point of the team. Up until Memphis came to United, he's always been that. He was that in the PSV youth teams, he was that in the Dutch NT youth teams, he was the big star at PSV even though players like Wijnaldum, Strootman, Willems were also there. It's something that he probably carried over to Manchester as well, which has blatantly failed. He probably though, as always has been the case that he'd be the starman here as well (a lot of our fans thought so too), but it has backfired fiercely. His whole game play is revolved to making things happen, scoring, assisting, making a show, leading the attack, when that doesn't work, it's better to just play it simple, do your defence job and duties, which is something I don't think he's used to, but Blind also said he'll learn that with age, this is his first major setback in his footballing career, it will take time for him to deal with that.

On the other hand, a player who's put so much hours on the training ground, after training still there to be found practising on shooting, put so many hours in the gym, puts so many hours to stay fit, since arriving here hasn't created a fuss, moaned about playing time, thrown in tantrums (opposed to someone like Rooney, who immediately gave that interview when Mourinho benched him, questioning him as well), someone who both Mourinho and his teammate Daley Blind for example has lauded for his hard work and how he deserves it to succeed, I put far more value in that than some scout who made a report when Depay was about 15 and Danny Blind who expressed something that doesn't really has much to do with his attitude. The funny thing as well is that these jouno's come out with these things when it isn't going well for him, why didn't these same articles come out when he was one of the hottest talents in Europe, and the best player in the Eredivisie?

That RVP bust up, I think you're reading too much into him. They were training, RvP though Memphis should pass to him on a few occasions and provoked him by saying ; you think you're a big boy now? Memphis replied (badly); do big boys play for Fenerbache? That was it, does RvP has a poor attitude as well? It's thing that happen in the heat of the moment. Even Messi has cussed players a few times during matches, those thing happen.

Edit ; Blind's exact words in the interview were ; "I'm genuinely happy for Memphis, I know that he works really hard, he deserves it.

If Depay was really showing poor attitude, that doesn't go well with Mourinho. He also called out Shaw and Smalling already this season, I don't think it's really the case. From what I've seen of him, he's worked hard from a young age and has always strived to be the best, it hasn't worked for him here, maybe the level is too high, maybe it's not his style of play, etc I don't know, but Dutch media, journo's scouts, so irrelevant, they created a huge fuss because he wore hats, it's all a bit of created nonsense put up together. I think it's more relevant when someone who has actually worked with him, says something about that.
 
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Thanks for the effort!

Why wouldn't Mourinho and Louis van Gaal do that, but Blind would?

Henk Grim is a official acknowledged scout, but he's not some renowned scout, who has scouted dozens of talents who have developed into stars, he's not really a somebody here in Holland (Don't know if you're Dutch yourself). Depay was about 15 when he made that report, and you want to relate that to now? Come on, many teenagers are mouthy, especially someone like Depay who's quite known for his determination and will to win every match, it's a 1 + 1 = 2 that something like that can happen for a 15 year old.

I'm not dutch, but I believe there is far too much smoke to pass the attitude questioning as nonsense. Danny Blind is an International Manager arguably has more freedom of speech about his crop than a club manager, particular one that paid £25m to bring him in.

All Mourinho has said is that he feels bad leaving Depay and Young at home. That doesn't suddenly mean they are training well. If they were they'd make the bench more.
 
I'm not dutch, but I believe there is far too much smoke to pass the attitude questioning as nonsense. Danny Blind is an International Manager arguably has more freedom of speech about his crop than a club manager, particular one that paid £25m to bring him in.

All Mourinho has said is that he feels bad leaving Depay and Young at home. That doesn't suddenly mean they are training well. If they were they'd make the bench more.
Then why doesn't Mourinho feel shy to openly criticise Shaw and Smalling for example? And what Danny Blind is about, it's not a consequence of poor attitude, he isn't really a team player in the sense that when it isn't going for him, he didn't even explicitly say what he meant with it. If they were training poo, do you think he would feel bad leaving them home? Then surely they wouldn't deserve that don't you think? We have Martial, Miki, Mata, Rooney, Rashford, Lingard, Depay and Young for 3 positions, it goes way past me how you read that much into it. How many players do you think we can take with us? All the others have been better than him, does it really surprise you that he doesn't get called every week?
 
Would anyone else take delefeou as part of a deal with Everton or would he just end up the same. He definitely appears much more talented than depay.
 
Think it's best for the club and Memphis to move on.

Besides, him leaving will allow Pereira to blossom when he comes back from his loan.
 
Think it's best for the club and Memphis to move on.

Besides, him leaving will allow Pereira to blossom when he comes back from his loan.
They play on different positions... Not sure if Pereira would succeed as a winger in the PL
 
They play on different positions... Not sure if Pereira would succeed as a winger in the PL
Hasn't he been playing on the left wing/left side of midfield for Granada? He seems pretty effective from that area of the field from what I've seen.
 
Hasn't he been playing on the left wing/left side of midfield for Granada? He seems pretty effective from that area of the field from what I've seen.
Under Paco Jemez, yeah, where his main role was to get the ball in the box as much possible, but under whoever the new manager is, he's playing more central in more of a box-to-box type of role.
 
I dont mind us taking a bath on this one, hes only going to depreciate anyway. Just get him off the wage bill and free up some room.
 
Would anyone else take delefeou as part of a deal with Everton or would he just end up the same. He definitely appears much more talented than depay.

No he isn’t. Memphis is more talented but just can’t seem to get it right here. Delefeou is actually pinching above his weight at Everton.
 
Stop the nonsense guys, the poor attitude thing is really based on nothing. We have a lot of attackers and he isnt very good so both sides should take their losses and move apart. But its just unfair to say he didnt work hard or didnt want it enough etc, he's just not been good enough but at the wame time not given a single chance this season.
I agree with most of that.

Except the chance thing.I don't think he deserves much chances because he simply isn't good enough. He showed last season with many many chances that he simply isn't to the level we should be aiming for.
 
Considering Everton's poor results I'm wondering will Koeman stay their manager long enough for us to offload Depay to them.
 
Good to hear, hope he leaves as soon as possible. I want to see him play again, and would actually still prefer leaving on a loan, but it seems that's not going to happen. He'll probably be sold.
 
The lad appears to be a complete waste of space - he may be talented but he is not going to make it at the top level if his attitude is as poor as has been reported by some of the coaches who have worked with him. He may get one more decent move from Utd but if the attitude continues to be crap that will be his last good move and he will be playing at a much lower level than his football ability could have taken him to.
 
depay i don't really care about. schneiderlin i feel will do very well at another club, its weird, we bought him and he didn't really get a chance, i know posters will be quick to point out he didn't set the world alight when he did play but he came to a team in transition under a manager that had us playing terrible football. I'd also hazard a guess a lot of people were expecting something from schneiderlin that isn't/wasn't really part of his skill set.

shame he didn't get much of a look in under mourinho neither has i kind of feel he could've played a part for us still
 
The lad appears to be a complete waste of space - he may be talented but he is not going to make it at the top level if his attitude is as poor as has been reported by some of the coaches who have worked with him. He may get one more decent move from Utd but if the attitude continues to be crap that will be his last good move and he will be playing at a much lower level than his football ability could have taken him to.
I honestly want to know where you people get this info about his current poor attitude? It seems to be the current go to for the apparent itk these days. His application hasn't been up to scratch but to continuously bang on about attitude without any evidence is another level of lazy comments. The last we heard was José mentioned him amongst those that has been training well.
 
I honestly want to know where you people get this info about his current poor attitude? It seems to be the current go to for the apparent itk these days. His application hasn't been up to scratch but to continuously bang on about attitude without any evidence is another level of lazy comments. The last we heard was José mentioned him amongst those that has been training well.
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I honestly want to know where you people get this info about his current poor attitude? It seems to be the current go to for the apparent itk these days. His application hasn't been up to scratch but to continuously bang on about attitude without any evidence is another level of lazy comments. The last we heard was José mentioned him amongst those that has been training well.

:lol: I know right! People read a couple of articles and see a couple of videos and they have judged his whole personality.

Having seen him a lot his primary weakness is actually he doesn't know how to position himself; he ends up being in the same place at the same time and is very easy to read because of it.
 
Like with Schneiderlin, just far from good enough I think. He's big and seems like he would be quick, but he doesn't know how to use his body and gets outmuscled or pushed off the ball pretty easily, and he is a bit shit at running with the ball or going past players. It's not even a question of desire or hard work with him. He seems to work really hard on the pitch and I feel like he does the same in training. He just doesn't seem good enough on the pitch to succeed. At least not for us. Probably not in the premier league as anything more then an average player.
 
:lol: I know right! People read a couple of articles and see a couple of videos and they have judged his whole personality.

Having seen him a lot his primary weakness is actually he doesn't know how to position himself; he ends up being in the same place at the same time and is very easy to read because of it.
The amount of people that come here and make comments about what he wears and what he drives is just ridiculous! I have high hopes for him but I think he needs to move to establish himself. The boy has barely kicked a ball this season and some professional posters come up with stuff like "he's the worst footballer in the world" kinda of comments.
 
Spartak Moscow? Still think he could do a job at a better team then that.
He'll struggle at Everton because his main problem with us so far had been the level of opposition - and at Everton that level will remain the same. In Russian league he'd thrive, he'll have enough time to think, to work on the ball, he'll have his friend Promes and will be still seen by Blind as he watches RFPL (and Spartak) because of Promes anyway.

Plus Spartak really looks great this season. What are his other options?
 
Like with Schneiderlin, just far from good enough I think. He's big and seems like he would be quick, but he doesn't know how to use his body and gets outmuscled or pushed off the ball pretty easily, and he is a bit shit at running with the ball or going past players. It's not even a question of desire or hard work with him. He seems to work really hard on the pitch and I feel like he does the same in training. He just doesn't seem good enough on the pitch to succeed. At least not for us. Probably not in the premier league as anything more then an average player.
He reminds me of Hulk so much. Probably less talented though. Same strengths, same weaknesses
 
He'll struggle at Everton because his main problem with us so far had been the level of opposition - and at Everton that level will remain the same. In Russian league he'd thrive, he'll have enough time to think, to work on the ball, he'll have his friend Promes and will be still seen by Blind as he watches RFPL (and Spartak) because of Promes anyway.

Plus Spartak really looks great this season. What are his other options?

What sort of wages would Spartak be able to pay? Would United be subsidising?
 
He reminds me of Hulk so much. Probably less talented though. Same strengths, same weaknesses
Hell no. Hulk was a quality player for quite a few years; in that second tier of top class players in my opinion. He was just a bit of a greedy prick and also opted for big pay days (Zenit, Shanghai). Memphis ain't got shit on Hulk
 
What sort of wages would Spartak be able to pay? Would United be subsidising?
Not sure if they can pay him what we pay him, especially with the financial crisis and everything. We pay him what, about 90k a week? I would think maybe a half of it or a little more?

They pay their top players (Bocchetti, Promes) around 3m a year. They won't go over it as their manager is on 3m and he doesn't want any player to have more than he does, at least it's how the speculation goes.

So it's not like Zenit who can pay him even more than we do
 
Hell no. Hulk was a quality player for quite a few years; in that second tier of top class players in my opinion. He was just a bit of a greedy prick and also opted for big pay days (Zenit, Shanghai). Memphis ain't got shit on Hulk
Zzz. Hate this attitude. Why is he a prick for wanting to get paid a fortune to do the same job as somewhere else?
 
Hell no. Hulk was a quality player for quite a few years; in that second tier of top class players in my opinion. He was just a bit of a greedy prick and also opted for big pay days (Zenit, Shanghai). Memphis ain't got shit on Hulk
Like I said, less talented - plus Depay is still a youngster and Hulk had already peaked. They both struggled against quality opposition, mostly because of their decision making and slow mindness. Look at Hulk's career in the national team. While their great physicality (again, Hulk is better, but the similarity is obvious), shooting etc proved to be unplayable in the weaker leagues, where there is more space and time for them to thrive.
 
Memphis should stay away from Everton for his own sake. The fans will hate his low work rate, besides, the PL is simply too strong for him.

I think he could do well in Turkey, while still earning good money.
 
Thanks for the effort!

Why wouldn't Mourinho and Louis van Gaal do that, but Blind would?

Henk Grim is a official acknowledged scout, but he's not some renowned scout, who has scouted dozens of talents who have developed into stars, he's not really a somebody here in Holland (Don't know if you're Dutch yourself). Depay was about 15 when he made that report, and you want to relate that to now? Come on, many teenagers are mouthy, especially someone like Depay who's quite known for his determination and will to win every match, it's a 1 + 1 = 2 that something like that can happen for a 15 year old.

And what Blind said, I can relate to that but I don't think that's a symptom or cause of bad/poor attitude. It's the type of player he is, I don't think it's good, but some players when they get on the field they always want to be the star, the one that makes something happen, the one that's the star, the focal point of the team. Up until Memphis came to United, he's always been that. He was that in the PSV youth teams, he was that in the Dutch NT youth teams, he was the big star at PSV even though players like Wijnaldum, Strootman, Willems were also there. It's something that he probably carried over to Manchester as well, which has blatantly failed. He probably though, as always has been the case that he'd be the starman here as well (a lot of our fans thought so too), but it has backfired fiercely. His whole game play is revolved to making things happen, scoring, assisting, making a show, leading the attack, when that doesn't work, it's better to just play it simple, do your defence job and duties, which is something I don't think he's used to, but Blind also said he'll learn that with age, this is his first major setback in his footballing career, it will take time for him to deal with that.

On the other hand, a player who's put so much hours on the training ground, after training still there to be found practising on shooting, put so many hours in the gym, puts so many hours to stay fit, since arriving here hasn't created a fuss, moaned about playing time, thrown in tantrums (opposed to someone like Rooney, who immediately gave that interview when Mourinho benched him, questioning him as well), someone who both Mourinho and his teammate Daley Blind for example has lauded for his hard work and how he deserves it to succeed, I put far more value in that than some scout who made a report when Depay was about 15 and Danny Blind who expressed something that doesn't really has much to do with his attitude. The funny thing as well is that these jouno's come out with these things when it isn't going well for him, why didn't these same articles come out when he was one of the hottest talents in Europe, and the best player in the Eredivisie?

That RVP bust up, I think you're reading too much into him. They were training, RvP though Memphis should pass to him on a few occasions and provoked him by saying ; you think you're a big boy now? Memphis replied (badly); do big boys play for Fenerbache? That was it, does RvP has a poor attitude as well? It's thing that happen in the heat of the moment. Even Messi has cussed players a few times during matches, those thing happen.

Edit ; Blind's exact words in the interview were ; "I'm genuinely happy for Memphis, I know that he works really hard, he deserves it.

If Depay was really showing poor attitude, that doesn't go well with Mourinho. He also called out Shaw and Smalling already this season, I don't think it's really the case. From what I've seen of him, he's worked hard from a young age and has always strived to be the best, it hasn't worked for him here, maybe the level is too high, maybe it's not his style of play, etc I don't know, but Dutch media, journo's scouts, so irrelevant, they created a huge fuss because he wore hats, it's all a bit of created nonsense put up together. I think it's more relevant when someone who has actually worked with him, says something about that.

I am not convinced that is a funny thing at all. In fact, when things are going so well for a player would a journo ever bring up negative points about his past? I don't think so.

As for Depay, his attitude etc etc, Ithink we cannot know how he has behaved within the club, at training etc etc, so we can't really comment and shouldn't really speculate, but he doesn't help matters by being the flashy one, buying a Rolls, embossing the headrests with M7.......smacks of arrogance and over confidence and gives people the ammunition they need. As it is, Memphis' problem is more to do with the fact that he isn't as good as people thought he was and that's on the scouts and manager who brought him who believed he would make it in England. Perhaps he still will, who knows, I personally think he won't and that he could be a success in a league where the play is slower and the game less physical.
 
Given his alleged comment to rvp it would be funny as hell if he went to fenerbache
 
Zzz. Hate this attitude. Why is he a prick for wanting to get paid a fortune to do the same job as somewhere else?

I think he meant greedy prick on the pitch. ie, wanting to do everything himself rather than pass to teammates.

Could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted that, because he says "and opted for big pay days."
 
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