Sammyjunn
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Thanks for the effort!Managers rarely ever point to poor attitude in public interviews whilst the player is with them. They'll sugarcoat it and try and resolve the problem directly with the player.
That said, Danny Blind himself had concerns that Depay has no idea how to work in a team. He said "In football, you must function in a team - and he doesn't always do that. I told him that when I called him to say he wasn't in the squad. It's something he has to learn."
Here is what Ronald Koeman had to say around the topic of Depay:
“He won’t play every game. I have learnt, while I am here in England, that Dutch players can’t make the jump to the top of the Premier League easily. And young players can’t play 38 games anyway.
“And I see another lack of quality with the Dutch kids, that I have also noticed with other young stars in the Premier League: they don’t communicate! They behave like individuals. Stuck to their smartphones.’’
Here is what a well respected scout, Henk Grim, said about Depay from 5 years of tracking him:
“I always work with a list of five specific qualities: skills, tactics, physique, attitude, personality. I did not get any higher with my average ratings than 5.6 out of 10.
"And you know what brought the rating down most of all? The rating for his personality. It is only because of the fact that I could not go any lower than zero out of 10, otherwise I would have rated him well below that.
“It was absolutely disgusting, the foul language that boy used towards his fellow players and towards people in the crowd. I understand a boy can be in a period of having to grow up. With the intensive personal coaching at PSV Eindhoven they have managed to make an okay player of him".
If you add that to the training ground bust ups (apparently from a lack of respect towards RvP) and consistently failing to make match day squads, you find its definately not nonsense. It sounds very much that he's a selfish, stubborn player who has his priorities wrong.
Ok, fair enough. But I think I bolstered the point through other quotes/sources above.
Why wouldn't Mourinho and Louis van Gaal do that, but Blind would?
Henk Grim is a official acknowledged scout, but he's not some renowned scout, who has scouted dozens of talents who have developed into stars, he's not really a somebody here in Holland (Don't know if you're Dutch yourself). Depay was about 15 when he made that report, and you want to relate that to now? Come on, many teenagers are mouthy, especially someone like Depay who's quite known for his determination and will to win every match, it's a 1 + 1 = 2 that something like that can happen for a 15 year old.
And what Blind said, I can relate to that but I don't think that's a symptom or cause of bad/poor attitude. It's the type of player he is, I don't think it's good, but some players when they get on the field they always want to be the star, the one that makes something happen, the one that's the star, the focal point of the team. Up until Memphis came to United, he's always been that. He was that in the PSV youth teams, he was that in the Dutch NT youth teams, he was the big star at PSV even though players like Wijnaldum, Strootman, Willems were also there. It's something that he probably carried over to Manchester as well, which has blatantly failed. He probably though, as always has been the case that he'd be the starman here as well (a lot of our fans thought so too), but it has backfired fiercely. His whole game play is revolved to making things happen, scoring, assisting, making a show, leading the attack, when that doesn't work, it's better to just play it simple, do your defence job and duties, which is something I don't think he's used to, but Blind also said he'll learn that with age, this is his first major setback in his footballing career, it will take time for him to deal with that.
On the other hand, a player who's put so much hours on the training ground, after training still there to be found practising on shooting, put so many hours in the gym, puts so many hours to stay fit, since arriving here hasn't created a fuss, moaned about playing time, thrown in tantrums (opposed to someone like Rooney, who immediately gave that interview when Mourinho benched him, questioning him as well), someone who both Mourinho and his teammate Daley Blind for example has lauded for his hard work and how he deserves it to succeed, I put far more value in that than some scout who made a report when Depay was about 15 and Danny Blind who expressed something that doesn't really has much to do with his attitude. The funny thing as well is that these jouno's come out with these things when it isn't going well for him, why didn't these same articles come out when he was one of the hottest talents in Europe, and the best player in the Eredivisie?
That RVP bust up, I think you're reading too much into him. They were training, RvP though Memphis should pass to him on a few occasions and provoked him by saying ; you think you're a big boy now? Memphis replied (badly); do big boys play for Fenerbache? That was it, does RvP has a poor attitude as well? It's thing that happen in the heat of the moment. Even Messi has cussed players a few times during matches, those thing happen.
Edit ; Blind's exact words in the interview were ; "I'm genuinely happy for Memphis, I know that he works really hard, he deserves it.
If Depay was really showing poor attitude, that doesn't go well with Mourinho. He also called out Shaw and Smalling already this season, I don't think it's really the case. From what I've seen of him, he's worked hard from a young age and has always strived to be the best, it hasn't worked for him here, maybe the level is too high, maybe it's not his style of play, etc I don't know, but Dutch media, journo's scouts, so irrelevant, they created a huge fuss because he wore hats, it's all a bit of created nonsense put up together. I think it's more relevant when someone who has actually worked with him, says something about that.
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