It weren't fantastic in output but you could see his natural talent was exceptional. He was making premier league defenders look stupid. Not Midgetland ones
Memphis Depay | Lyon player
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Please stop. He is a second rate winger, with limited pace and average dribbling ability. Ryan Babel mark II
When talking about the young Ronaldo, he's not lacking in the ability to beat the first defender via pure pace or trick, but make useful play. Memphis has been struggling to beat his man. This comparison failed at first stage by Ronaldo having more natural ability. Nothing to do with PL inexperience. Memphis may improve but hard to see him to reach the level of Ronaldo in second half of 05-06 let alone different world class stage Ronaldo reached later in his career.
Ronaldo dribbling compilation, 2004 when he was 18, in his 1st season in the premier league. Notice his sheer brashness, disregard for premier league level defenders, treating them like Memphis treated Midjetland defenders. Memphis can't beat his 1st man with neither pace nor trickery. Ronaldo was putting move sets together on this players.
Utd need to be ruthless! Memphis isn't good enough and it's his own fault for not stepping up to premiership level.
Utd don't have enough time to give every player 3 seasons to prove there worth, especially in this post SAF era.
Utd don't have enough time to give every player 3 seasons to prove there worth, especially in this post SAF era.
Are people forgetting that Ronaldo was three years younger than him when making those appearances and by the time he was Memphis' age he was the best player in the PL?
Exactly. If anything, only the negativities that the young Ronaldo shared with Memphis: lack end product, lack understanding of the game/ PL (understandably given their age) leading to overplay.
Memphis defender so far did acknowledge Ronaldo's age, but use the "PL inexperience" argument which I explained is a bad excuse in my post
That's just a conspiracy, he hasnt said anything about Schneiderlin for example and we want to sell him as well. Is it so impossible to believe that Memphis isnt doing shit in training or displaying a poor attitude but just come short?
We've sold Schneiderlin.
Anyone even mentioning Ronaldo and Depay in the same sentence is mental, Ronaldo arguably the best player of all time and a bloke who had a good game against a danish side its lunacy.
Genuinely one of the best performances I've seen in a United shirt.
Some part of me doesn't want to give up on him, hope it's a loan.
Yes, but the problem is that Midjyland are not a good club. These guys did not even exist in 1999!
If I played against poorly skilled players, even I'd look good. But put me up against EPL players and I'll look terrible.
You cannot base Memphis' skill level on how he played against Brugge, Shrewsbury or Midjyland.
This is why when I judge a player I am always looking at EPL performances. Although not perfect, this is a better barometer on just how good this player is.
The fact is that Memphis was consistently terrible against EPL opposition. There are no debates on this.
His level is actually quite low. He did well in a league which is not very good.
He's been off his game ever since he left PSV and started playing for us.
And what does "sonned" mean?
Genuinely one of the best performances I've seen in a United shirt.
Some part of me doesn't want to give up on him, hope it's a loan.
Also one of the worst teams I've ever seen us play.
That video is just basically a reasonably skilled player showing off against a very very bad team.
apperently, because none of the other players did this to Midgyteland over the 2 legs, that means Memphis is the superior talent
It just hasn't happened for this lad and I have no qualms about cutting our losses. It's obvious he isn't in Jose's plans so just get rid. I don't even mind if it's permanent - IMO, judging on his skill-set or rather what's shown at United, he won't amount to much more than say, a Zaha type player. Looks decent for a smaller club, but still not brilliant.
Something like "look son, this is how it's done" type of stuff.
Yeah he's been bad but why all the eagerness to get rid asap? Give him a year under someone else than LvG, see Herrera for example.
Haha you're really have a hard on for Memph.
The funny thing is he is a wide forward and not a winger, he probably thinks its the same.
The thing is if Mourinho put him up for sale, then he may already assess him enough. So unless we did badly in second half of the season and Mourinho gets sacked, Memphis name was already written on the wall.
How can anyone compare Ronaldo to Memphis? They are miles apart when it comes to talent, skills, work ethic etc. Even age wise, there is a huge difference. You could see Ronaldo was special at 18 and that he will be a monster one day, Memphis, well... just never showed enough to keep believing he will turn things around
Who thinks?
That's what I think too anyway
I am not sure if this is pounds or euros as some are reporting it as euros. Also unsre about 75 million paid for both of the as i think it was close to 48 million. Still Di marzio is god of transfer news so he must have definite info to post this.
Would take that bid in all seriousness if its in pounds. Its a good amount and covers for lindelof money. Its good value we get for two non starters for us.
That 75m figure has got to be BS.
Why in the sweet bejeebus are people comparing Memphis Depay to one of the greatest players to grace a football pitch. No they are not even remotely close talent wise and even at 18 y.o. Ronaldo was light years better. He was a stallion yet to gain maturity. Memphis is a stuck in the mud ponie. Ronnie always looked a beast and future world great whereas Memphis on the other hand has not ever looked a decent PL player. There is no mystery here. Depay is poor.
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Yeah. His cameos lit up games.
I'd take it if it was in yen.
just read article that Depay seen smoking shisha last sunday. man, looks like this guy has given up.. just get the feck out of United asap!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...apped-smoking-shisha-pipe-trip-Rotterdam.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...apped-smoking-shisha-pipe-trip-Rotterdam.html
Omg he smoked a shisha pipe, he's doomed for failure now, his careers over, omg, omg the god damn shisha pipe...Why? Memphis why?
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Cultural thing, I suppose....
Hard childhood, difficult family life, etc, etc....
And then WHOOOSH....Money, fame, Manchester United....Made it, haven't I....
He isn't the first and won't be the last.
Cultural thing, I suppose....
Hard childhood, difficult family life, etc, etc....
And then WHOOOSH....Money, fame, Manchester United....Made it, haven't I....
He isn't the first and won't be the last.
Ronaldo was what 17/18? His productivity wasn't there just yet but he was easily one of the most exciting things about us, getting standing ovations and whatnot.
Memphis is 22. At 22 Ronaldo was the best player in the league and becoming the best in the world.
Try to read the whole topic, and thus my response to the same argument you are giving now, before replying. It's annoying to go into the same thing all over again.
I believe first seasons are more important than age. Not to say age isn't important because it is, but they are two lines that intersect around the age of 26-28.
That's the nature of forums mate, I didn't purposely try to annoy you or anything, redcafe tends to auto bookmark threads where you left them/posts you haven't read, and that's where I picked up from and your post jumped at me, in an ideal world we would read entire threads prior to replying but that isn't how it is so your expectations in regard to that should be tempered much like in regard to Memphis and his potential. I do apologise though.
Nonetheless, Ronaldo in his first season showed he was a completely different level to anything Memphis has shown even if end productivity makes it seem otherwise. I don't even get what you're trying to say that age and first season are two lines that intersect around 26-28, so I won't comment on that.
The most important of all is talent. Ronaldo had bucketloads of it. At 18 years of age he tore United defence into shreds. Not a Championship/Dutch league defence or the one with Rojo, Hodor and crock in it but the defence that had players like Rio in it. By the time United signed him up the boy was courted by half Europe.
Soon afterwards its the player's attitude. How much football IQ has and how professional he is. Its not as important as talent though, I mean, players like Rooney could carve a great career for himself despite having an IQ of an 18 year old. There again a player can compensate to a lack of football brain only if he's got bucketloads of talent. Also these sort of players tend to be the first to retire once either their pace or their strength start waning. That's why Rooney look like a 35 year old striker while Teddy who lacked Rooney's sheer talent was able to keep on playing in his mid 30s
Finally, its the club's commitment to the player. A player with talent and attitude will succeed irrespective of the club. United didn't gave Pogba a sniff of first team football only to be made look silly when few years later they had to break the world record to re-sign him. I guess Chelsea feel the same with Lukaku and De Bruyne. However having a club that insist on you does help. I wonder if the likes of the Nevilles, OShit, Butt and Fletcher would have carved up a decent career without SAF insisting on them.
I believe that Depay lack the talent to become world class and he's not the most intelligent player around. He's also unlucky to join a club whose not exactly on its most patient mood either. You can't really compare him with Ronaldo who had all three (talent, maturity and club's commitment) in bucket loads
Tbf to the shisha pipe, he was fecked long before it and his lips made contact.
I don't want to take the thread off topic but this is ridiculous. Gary Neville and Darren Fletcher were both very good players and played regularly in title-winning teams. Their carrers aren't owed to Sir Alex "insisting on them", they were important to the team, Gary especially. Phil Neville, Nicky Butt and John O'Shea were also decent players and would have easily carved up top flight careers for themselves even if they wouldn't have the same medal hauls without United. You're being incredibly harsh on them.
Anyway, I reckon we should definitely sell Memphis if we get the chance. He's got some talent but in Mata, Mkhitaryan and Martial he's also got 3 players who are much more talented than him to compete with in the wide spots. In additin to that, Jesse Lingard (who definitely isn't completely beyond Memphis' reach, talent-wise) provides us with a combination of pace and off the ball movement that Mata and Martial aren't always able to provide on their own, so he's a good tactical option to have, not to mention a dependable rotation option.
Moving Memphis on is the best for both parties. He's young enough to still carve out a good career at another club, plus he needs to be playing regularly. We have better options and don't really need to spend wages on him for a spot that could be occupied by an a academy player if we wished to rotate. If the Everton £40m double bid for him and Schneiderlin is true, we should take it. We make a reasonable amount of money back on players our manager doesn't need, Schneiderlin gets to link up wwith his old boss, Memphis gets to link up with his buddy Lukaku, they both get playing time (probably) and Everton get two good players. It's a win-win-win.
Some players are born to fly, others have to grind their way. Giggs was a world class article at age 18. He would have shaped a great career irrespective of club and manager. The Nevilles and Fletcher lacked the natural talent the likes of Giggs and Scholes. The Nevilles over enthusiasm costed us and could cost us more. Who can forget Edmundo ripping a new one to Gaz which was instrumental in us being dumped out of the first club world cup? Or Philip Neville's trade mark tackle during the FA cup which could have easily costed us the treble. Luckily Schmeichel made a spectacular penalty save and Giggs ended up outstaging the Danish by scoring that goal turning a disaster into a win. England wasn't as lucky as another typical Phil Neville tackle inside the box costed them badly. Fletcher struggled in his first years while we all know how Nicky Butt fared away from OT.
Memphis might become decent if United show the amount of patience it showed towards Phil and co. However this is neither the time nor the team to do so. We simply lack the players to bail him out.
It's so easy to forget how exciting he was when he was young!
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