Memphis Depay | Lyon player

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ants7 said:
This. Can't understand this "he must be given a chance" notion. He has had chances but hasn't done anything ground breaking.

Nothing wrong with accepting that he simply doesn't make the cut. Even if he becomes good in other club (which I can't see at the moment), it simply didn't work out here.
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Haha, on the day that Mourinho actually says that he hasn't given Memphis enough chances...

"To be honest, people like Ashley Young and Memphis Depay, I didn't really give them a run of matches to play, to prove. So I have this little bad feeling." (source)

Memphis had enough chances of LVG that's true, but that was his first season. Should we grade everyone based on their first season? A lot of talents would've been benched immediately, and never fulfilled their potential then.
 
MD7 said:
Memphis had enough chances of LVG that's true, but that was his first season. Should we grade everyone based on their first season? A lot of talents would've been benched immediately, and never fulfilled their potential then.
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Can you tell me the players who failed badly in their first season, but who went on to become huge players for us later on?
 
sunama said:
Can you tell me the players who failed badly in their first season, but who went on to become huge players for us later on?
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Ronaldo: 40 appearances, 6 goals.
Memphis: 45 appearances, 7 goals.

Btw not saying Memphis will be as good as Ronaldo, ever. Just saying that Ronaldo's first season wasn't fantastic.
 
sunama said:
Can you tell me the players who failed badly in their first season, but who went on to become huge players for us later on?
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Fletcher. And i think a lot of people rated Fellaini higher than Herrera until 3 months ago, and they would be happy if we had offloaded him
 
MD7 said:
Ronaldo: 40 appearances, 6 goals.
Memphis: 45 appearances, 7 goals.

Btw not saying Memphis will be as good as Ronaldo, ever. Just saying that Ronaldo's first season wasn't fantastic.
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Ronaldo was 18 back then
 
Sammyjunn said:
Still there are people who think he has a shit attitude and doesnt work in training, Mou would never say things like that if that was the case.

I wish Memphis the very best, it didnt work out for him here but he's still young and can still make something out of his career. He's never done something wrong to the club, and probably tried the best he could. Just wasnt good enough under van Gaal.
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Didnt JM also say in a recent interview that some of our other players need to try harder.Memphis and a few others could be the ones he's talking about also.
 
dichinero said:
Tbh, Ronaldo was under less pressure, in a strong, stable and balanced team under the best manager of all time. Memphis could have done better in similar conditions.
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Was he? He was replacing David Beckham back then and his only competitor was, erm, hmm, Fletcher
 
dichinero said:
Tbh, Ronaldo was under less pressure, in a strong, stable and balanced team under the best manager of all time. Memphis could have done better in similar conditions.
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Apart from the fact that Memphis is terrible in almost every single way.
 
Pexbo said:
That would be a waste of time if we're honest. Look at Zaha at Palce, he's in the form of his life "answering critics" and yet he's still absolutely nowhere near worth bringing back.

It's as much a mental thing for both those players. They've shown the club they don't have the mentality to make it here so there is no way we'd invest in them again even if they play out of their skin.

Also, in order to progress it's often important to the player to get a clean break from the club and a fresh start. Sometimes coaches don't like investing time in players they don't think will stay with them long term and sometimes the player never fully invests in the club with United in the back of their mind.

Depay's time has come.
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I get what you're saying, but then it worked for Morata and Suarez as two recent examples. Quality will always shine through, and sometimes, all the kid needs is a little less pressure and some playing time.
 
MD7 said:
Ronaldo: 40 appearances, 6 goals.
Memphis: 45 appearances, 7 goals.

Btw not saying Memphis will be as good as Ronaldo, ever. Just saying that Ronaldo's first season wasn't fantastic.
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Lets clarify this, by using league goals and ages, because this is more comparable.
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Ronaldo@18yrs: 4 goals, in 29 apps.
Memphis@21yrs: 2 goals in 29 apps.
...and when Ronaldo was 21:
Ronaldo@21yrs: 17 goals in 34 apps

You can see that I have put the ages of these players, to get a direct comparison.
You can see that when both players were 21, Ronaldo was far more productive.
In fact, Ronaldo at 18 was more productive than Memphis @ 21!
The problem is that Ronaldo was a youth player in his early seasons with us, so it's difficult to directly compare him with Memphis, who was older.
 
I can't shake the feeling that he couldn't quite catch a break here. Hope we send him out on loan for the moment though.
 

This is what I was hoping he could do on a more consistent basis at United. What he really needed was a run of games under Jose, but he never did get it, unfortunately.
 
kr0nix said:

This is what I was hoping he could do on a more consistent basis at United. What he really needed was a run of games under Jose, but he never did get it, unfortunately.
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Watch him in preseason and he was really poor. From then I didn't think he would be here next season tbh. Shame as there is a good player in there
 
kr0nix said:
I can't shake the feeling that he couldn't quite catch a break here. Hope we send him out on loan for the moment though.
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I feel the same. I wish we could give him five matches of consistent starts on the left wing in PL competition and see what he can do. If he doesn't perform I'd have a clear conscience letting him go to Everton or wherever else.
 
If you asked me at the start of the season, I was ready to sell Jones to MK Dons or Midjetland. As for Rojo I would have advised him to change careers to anything other than football or cooking. But we have all seen their improvement under a coach who believes in them.

Apparently Koeman believes in Memphis. It wouldn’t be the worst thing to include a buy back clause if those are ever done in England.
 
I still think the problem with him was that he spent too much time in the gym and ended up gaining to much muscle and hence losing a lot of pace in his first pre-season. That extra pace could have well made the difference between getting past full backs on a regular basis. If we compare him to Mane, both aren't technically amazing dribbler but Mane is a lot more dangerous due to his extra pace. Memphis was given a long run in the side at the start of last season and he simply failed against the physically strong and quick right backs in the premier league.
He needs some game time elsewhere imo. But just in case he does reach his potential, we should either loan him out or include a reasonable buy-back option if we were to sell permanently. However, I can't see Memphis overtaking Martial in the LW position (if Martial is to stay there).
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Genuinely one of the best performances I've seen in a United shirt. :lol:



Some part of me doesn't want to give up on him, hope it's a loan.
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The problem is, in the premier league you'll never get as bad a RB as you did in that game. Memphis was quite a lot faster and stronger than him and had him on toast all game. In the premier league, defenders are generally bought for their speed and strength, which is why he's struggled so much.
 
sunama said:
Can you tell me the players who failed badly in their first season, but who went on to become huge players for us later on?
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Evra
Vidic
De Gea

All of them did not have a great first season/half season.


And its not like other players like Rashford and Martial have done much for us this season in his position. Memphis should at least be given 3-4 games in a row like the other two who have failed so far this season.
 
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dichinero said:
Tbh, Ronaldo was under less pressure, in a strong, stable and balanced team under the best manager of all time. Memphis could have done better in similar conditions.
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Nonsense. Ronaldo was brought in a Beckhams replacement with huge hype around him.
 
I think we should keep him for a while and see if we can get him playing at his level again.
He sonned Arsenal and ridiculed Europa teams at one point so he isn't a bad player, something just is badly off in his game at the moment.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Yeah but he isnt forced to come out and say positive things about him either, Mourinho has called out Shaw and Smalling either, if he had something on Memphis he'd do the same.
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He doesn't want to sell Shaw and Smalling. Is it really that hard to see that he's giving players we are about to sell a good reference in the press?
 
A player we bought 30M, with expectations and massive wages who is in the stands every game is not worth staying at the club.

LVG played him a lot of times last season, and this year Mourinho had 6 months to assess him in training, I think it's fair to let him go.

Stop the loss and let him go
 
Thought he'd do well under Jose, but he really needs to leave and rebuild his career for his own sake.

When we got him ahead of Liverpool and they had to make do with Firmino I thought we'd be laughing. Shame it didn't work out.
 
sunama said:
Lets clarify this, by using league goals and ages, because this is more comparable.
(taken from wiki)
Ronaldo@18yrs: 4 goals, in 29 apps.
Memphis@21yrs: 2 goals in 29 apps.
...and when Ronaldo was 21:
Ronaldo@21yrs: 17 goals in 34 apps

You can see that I have put the ages of these players, to get a direct comparison.
You can see that when both players were 21, Ronaldo was far more productive.
In fact, Ronaldo at 18 was more productive than Memphis @ 21!
The problem is that Ronaldo was a youth player in his early seasons with us, so it's difficult to directly compare him with Memphis, who was older.
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I disagree, it's less comparable since Ronaldo already was here for a couple of seasons. PL experience is much more important than age. Enough players in the PL that struggled their first season
 
I think if the next club can afford him a run of games and get him believing again they could have a real bargain, he looks a shell of the player he was before he came here, his confidence is shot, it's so easy to see.
It's a little difficult to feel sorry for him at times as he acts a bit of a prat but there is talent burried in there.
 
MD7 said:
Ronaldo: 40 appearances, 6 goals.
Memphis: 45 appearances, 7 goals.

Btw not saying Memphis will be as good as Ronaldo, ever. Just saying that Ronaldo's first season wasn't fantastic.
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you could clearly see his talent though. He was embarrassing players, getting to the byline, hitting the woodwork and was a nightmare for FB. He was genuinely my favourite United player when he was a teenager. Memphis just looked crap and scored goals vs awful teams
 
sunama said:
Lets clarify this, by using league goals and ages, because this is more comparable.
(taken from wiki)
Ronaldo@18yrs: 4 goals, in 29 apps.
Memphis@21yrs: 2 goals in 29 apps.
...and when Ronaldo was 21:
Ronaldo@21yrs: 17 goals in 34 apps

You can see that I have put the ages of these players, to get a direct comparison.
You can see that when both players were 21, Ronaldo was far more productive.
In fact, Ronaldo at 18 was more productive than Memphis @ 21!
The problem is that Ronaldo was a youth player in his early seasons with us, so it's difficult to directly compare him with Memphis, who was older.
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The problem is that Ronaldo has bags more natural talent and was a million times more an exciting prospect than Memphis was when they both arrived. Its pointless comparing the two. You are better off comparing Memphis to Nani but even Nani could beat players
 
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