Oh finally, when did I ever say he goes out and splashes the cash! I down care if a player splashes the cash. If I had the money I would to. Attitude and spending money, two different points. I think you put words on a page and convince yourself you understand what your on about.Are you even reading whats been written?
My point is pretty clear. You've decided his attitude is shit based on him being a bad boy and because he splashes the cash 'on certain thing's. You've decided what type of person he is based on feck all.
Oh the irony of telling me the world isn't black and white yet making an uninformed opinion on a player based on your own stereotypical views.
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That point was not directly to his attitude. That was about perception on how people can view him. It never indicated what I thought of him. Again I'll say to you, you lack understanding of what other write.Seriously?
You said it, like two hours ago! You're incredible.
Merry Christmas to you.
Really, let's put the full paragraph of your post up shall we?
You mention it in your own fecking post, replying to a post about his attitude.
Yes let me break it down for you so you can begin to understand what i wrote. Clearly critical thinking not your strongest point.Really, let's put the full paragraph of your post up shall we?
You mention it in your own fecking post, replying to a post about his attitude.
Me thinking he's made when he has not is on his attitude. He makes reference to drake "from bottom to the top" a lot. The second part I mention cash (hands up officer I did mention cash, maybe I should have worded my paragraph better so that's my bad) but that is in regards to the perception that someone people make of him. Yes that can have consequence on your attitude but not conclusive. That's not my opinion. This is called evaluating a situation. My issue with him is he proclaims he's made already it when he clearly has not.
That's an awful lot of words for you to say that you're wrong.
Move alone pal, admit your wrong and forget about it, you've had an off day.
Have nice xmas
What's emotional about that. You've just used an apparent bad boy mentality to judge him. He hasn't played this season, and from all reports he has kept his mouth shut and has been working as in training but to use his off the pitch life like clothes and cars to judge a player that isn't even playing is just petty. If he was playing and stinking up the place then it's a different matter. You question his attitude, based on what private information?
He's only 22, but you think it's not sensible to add a buy back clause if it is available? How does that make sense?
And you pal.
So
A) He should move to a lesser club
B) shop at primark
I have Versace clothes - doesn't mean IV made it to any sort of extravagance
A) He should move to a lesser club
B) shop at primark
I have Versace clothes - doesn't mean IV made it to any sort of extravagance
I hope we give him another 18 months. We can afford to keep him around and he might still make it. I don't mind loaning him out though.
I refuse to believe we've seen all he has to offer. I think his confidence is just shattered. We've seen a couple of brief glimpses of what he's capable of.
I refuse to believe we've seen all he has to offer. I think his confidence is just shattered. We've seen a couple of brief glimpses of what he's capable of.
He's nowhere near the first team at the moment, is he even making the mach day squads?
May as well feck him off...on loan or permanently...
May as well feck him off...on loan or permanently...
The mirror says 12.5m to Everton if true should tell Everton to feck off we seem to overspend on players and when it comes to selling we get feck all i mean look at Chelsea when they sell players they seem to get massive fees example Oscar 52m not even worth half that.
12m seems about right. Add in a sell-on clause and then Everton can take him.
What's his wage?
That has actually been our problem over the years.
We seem to keep mediocre players for far too long then struggle to get them off our books. Anderson is a prime example of that.
Look at Phil Jones (and Smalling). Crocked for years but good players. A lot of people would've got rid of them too. Fergie usually gave players a few years, so that should be good enough for anyone
Fergie kept them for too lobg himself near the end.He was more ruthless in earlier years,and that's when he was at his best.
Memphis hasn't even show an inkling of worth keeping. It's the cold truth but he struggles with the basics like simply beating a man.
They are actually more examples of players that we ended up keeping too long then those that seemingly turned it around.The problem with Jones and Smalling was injuries. Completely different from Memphis.
If we let Memphis go for any less than £20m then that really will be the icing on the cake as far as our ridiculous transfer dealings out goes. When players like Ross McCormack are going for £13m then a Dutch international footballer who has played Champions League football and has shown himself to be at least Europa League level at the young age of 22 should surely be worth £20m in today's market.
Seriously?
You said it, like two hours ago! You're incredible.
Really, let's put the full paragraph of your post up shall we?
You mention it in your own fecking post, replying to a post about his attitude.
I hope we don't, he is not mufc material.
Having said that, 12.5m seems a bit low. At the least he is worth around 15m
Depay is a self absorbed twit with hasn't grasped the enormity of the undertaking when being given the opportunity to play for United. You train hard, shut your mouth, keep out of social media and work your magic on the pitch. That's what you do when a club like United gives you a chance. He's blown it.
This annoys me. Whenever he has been given chances (and he played consistently his first months at the club, and got plenty of chances last season (45 appearances)), he's been incredibly underwhelming, except for a handful of games - almost always against opposition of low quality. Van Gaal stopped playing him because he was a liability. And when Jose came to the club, he spoke positively about Memphis, indicating he still believed in him, and yet he's barely featured this season. There's probably a reason for that. Whether it's his mentality or his talent (or both), I think it's time to face the fact that he was unable to take the step up required to play for this club. No shame in that (well, if the problem is his mentality, then there might be some shame in that), but also no point in keeping him anymore when it's glaringly obvious by now that he'll never be United quality.
This is a stupid way of thinking, taking a few minutes to post something on social media does not at all mean he isn't working hard, simple fact might be that he just isn't good enough. Tweeting or making a 30 second video on instagram, which is often just him working out anyway does not make him a self absorbed twit by any means, for all we know Under Armour might have in his contract to make a certain amount of videos or whatever as a part of his sponsorship deal.
I'd sell with a buy back or loan him out for a good two years with the option to buy for the loaning team.
That would be a waste of time if we're honest. Look at Zaha at Palce, he's in the form of his life "answering critics" and yet he's still absolutely nowhere near worth bringing back.
It's as much a mental thing for both those players. They've shown the club they don't have the mentality to make it here so there is no way we'd invest in them again even if they play out of their skin.
Also, in order to progress it's often important to the player to get a clean break from the club and a fresh start. Sometimes coaches don't like investing time in players they don't think will stay with them long term and sometimes the player never fully invests in the club with United in the back of their mind.
Depay's time has come.
Still there are people who think he has a shit attitude and doesnt work in training, Mou would never say things like that if that was the case.
I wish Memphis the very best, it didnt work out for him here but he's still young and can still make something out of his career. He's never done something wrong to the club, and probably tried the best he could. Just wasnt good enough under van Gaal.
I wish Memphis the very best, it didnt work out for him here but he's still young and can still make something out of his career. He's never done something wrong to the club, and probably tried the best he could. Just wasnt good enough under van Gaal.
This. Can't understand this "he must be given a chance" notion. He has had chances but hasn't done anything ground breaking.
Nothing wrong with accepting that he simply doesn't make the cut. Even if he becomes good in other club (which I can't see at the moment), it simply didn't work out here.
But..but..he has tattoos and listens to rap music.
I remember reading stories about him before he got here about how he got a personal trainer and dietician in his teens to help him get to the top.That doesn't come across as someone with a poor attitude.
I honestly think it's merely down to him not necessarily being good enough for this level. Nothing on the mambo jumbo psychological jumble people like to engage in.
Hopefull mempiss is out of the door very very soon.
Memphis just doesn't seem good enough, unfortunately. I'm indifferent to whether he stays or goes. I just don't have the energy to really bring myself to care one way or another, other then to make a post that says I don't care. Ironic.
I gave up hope of him ever becoming the player I expected him to become when we signed him a long time ago. I just became too frustrated watching him do nothing (at best) or harm the team (at worst).
I wouldn't be surprised if he develops into a good player for a different prem club, but I no longer have the patience to wait for him to become that player at our club. I'll be glad when he's gone.
I wouldn't be surprised if he develops into a good player for a different prem club, but I no longer have the patience to wait for him to become that player at our club. I'll be glad when he's gone.
Yeah it's definitely a bit weird that Mourinho isn't warning off potential suitors with stories of his poor attitude and lack of application.
He will do great as first choice for any team, watch him score some screamers and we will all be asking why we never gave him a chance
We should not sell memphis right now. there is europa league to play for along with the epl and also fa cup and caling cup matches. We have not seen hm playing under jose mourinho style so we should not make assumptions without actually giving him chances to prove. He might come good with some games and some confidence. we should sell ashley young though.
If we think long term in terms of the squad and the formation memphis will suit us in a 433 and his best is yet to come .he's just 22 and deserves some chances to play to actually make judgements . Different players shine under different tactics and memphis might come good under mourinho if given chances. We dint hep ourselves in the europa league with 2 early defeats and also in pl with bad start so we had to play for results in oct and November, but i think memphis deserves chances under mourinho before we make a judgement about him. Also if we do loan or sell him we should add a buy back clause on him because i feel he will develop with time and games and can actually come good like robben ho bloomed late too.
If we think long term in terms of the squad and the formation memphis will suit us in a 433 and his best is yet to come .he's just 22 and deserves some chances to play to actually make judgements . Different players shine under different tactics and memphis might come good under mourinho if given chances. We dint hep ourselves in the europa league with 2 early defeats and also in pl with bad start so we had to play for results in oct and November, but i think memphis deserves chances under mourinho before we make a judgement about him. Also if we do loan or sell him we should add a buy back clause on him because i feel he will develop with time and games and can actually come good like robben ho bloomed late too.
This is not even the first time that José has come out to say that he has been working well in training but no, the CAF have an issue with the colour of his jeans, his haircut and smell of his car. Oh yeah, his attitude too!
An awful lot of posters in this thread appear to know Memphis personally by the sounds of it. Why don't they enlighten us about his potential exit?
In all seriousness though, I can just say I completely disagree with everyone slating his attitude, demeanor, personality, taste in fashion etc. How on earth do you know what this man is like. Alot of successful sportsmen, especially footballers are 'flashy'. Some of them just portray it in different ways ie on instagram as opposed to showing off in a club (an awful lot of the older generation were renowned for this - instagram just wasn't invented at that time).
It really confuses me how so many people who watch football, read articles and gather a bit of hearsay can categorically determine what a players attitude or personality is like.
The whole perception of a footballer is from a very limited viewpoint.
I know a guy who is a 'grapher' and he meets footballers all the time to get autographs. He bumps into Ronaldo alot and everytime he does he always has time for him and his fans. Messi on the other hand is moody and rarely gives the time of day to his own fans. Who would've thought the humble Leo was like this, he seems a top bloke on the pitch.
Didier Drogba - cnut on the field but does probably the most charity work in football.
Back to Memphis again, I'm very confident that he didn't want things to pan out the way it has at United. Who knows what the issue or issues are in his life. People think money makes everything ok but he may be struggling with confidence or motivation - and that does not make him arrogant.
In all seriousness though, I can just say I completely disagree with everyone slating his attitude, demeanor, personality, taste in fashion etc. How on earth do you know what this man is like. Alot of successful sportsmen, especially footballers are 'flashy'. Some of them just portray it in different ways ie on instagram as opposed to showing off in a club (an awful lot of the older generation were renowned for this - instagram just wasn't invented at that time).
It really confuses me how so many people who watch football, read articles and gather a bit of hearsay can categorically determine what a players attitude or personality is like.
The whole perception of a footballer is from a very limited viewpoint.
I know a guy who is a 'grapher' and he meets footballers all the time to get autographs. He bumps into Ronaldo alot and everytime he does he always has time for him and his fans. Messi on the other hand is moody and rarely gives the time of day to his own fans. Who would've thought the humble Leo was like this, he seems a top bloke on the pitch.
Didier Drogba - cnut on the field but does probably the most charity work in football.
Back to Memphis again, I'm very confident that he didn't want things to pan out the way it has at United. Who knows what the issue or issues are in his life. People think money makes everything ok but he may be struggling with confidence or motivation - and that does not make him arrogant.
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