why is it all secretive about his injury?
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why is it all secretive about his injury?
Hard disagree. Contracts are the only thing that protect a player’s ability to make a living, and even then only for a few years. The only reason we get to to watch regular high level football is because players put their bodies on the line with incredibly intense training and matches, and they should enjoy some level of financial protection for doing so, especially when you consider how many people get rich off their efforts (the Glazers, for example). I’d rather see an unlucky player like Mount still get paid whilst being injured than allow the likes of the Glazers to benefit by just cutting him loose so they can save a few quid. It sucks for us as fans, but if we show solidarity with anyone it should be the players and not the owners.
The elephant in the room which does need to be addressed is the ever growing number of games on the calendar. Between club and country commitments, players are being run into the ground without adequate recovery time between games or between seasons, and we’re seeing the fruits of that with clubs being ravaged by extensive injury lists, and players careers being ravaged by chronic injury problems. It’s a huge problem, but screwing the players isn’t the the answer.
I totally forgot he even plays for us, in my mind he's still a Chelsea player.
I swear ETH signings went thru his son's agencies to siphon money out of the club into his family. There is no other explaination for so many bizarre signings by one person.
Reminds me of Pogbas last few years at United. Seems like we are trying to hide a chronic injury.
Feel bad for Mason, he’s a quality player and would improve the team immediately, not his fault he isn’t fit
Breaking contracts is too far but I do think there should be some clauses to have lower-wages if the player is not able to be fit for a certain portion of the year. Like if a player is injured all season, they only get 50%-75% of the salary ? With Mason Mount, that would still be over 5m a year.
So a 4-5 year contract will guarantee at least 20m. Obviously if someone is earning 20K a week, then these clauses should be avoided.
Yes I agree. If the club buys a player on a 5 year contract at a huge weekly wage, and the player is critically injured in the first month and out for a year, and come back as not the same player as they were before the injury, the club is fecked and there should be a way out of hard situations like that for the club.
A club is welcome to try and write a clause like that in to their contracts, but chances are no decent players will sign for them if they do because they’ll just sign for clubs that don’t have such clauses.
Yes, there is a market element to it. But i think some clubs like Chelsea have started moving contracts to more bonus based etc. There will be a shift at some point because the money involved in these contracts is becoming more and more astronomical.
They’ve also been signing super long contracts though so I’m not sure if they’re actually in a better spot when it comes to serious or chronic injury issues.
The frustating part is, there were lots of people then(and even people now) who would swear that the signing made 100% sense.
People would rather do insane mental gymnastics to fit a transfer target into our team, than admit that a signing just doesnt make sense. Its happening right now too, with other players.
I wasn’t a fan of his signing at all, but the frustrating thing for me is that I thought he was playing his best football for us just before he got injured this time, and looked like he had a place in our team finally. Can’t remember the game but he came on and transformed us, then looked decent in the 10 role until he got injured. He was looking good in the press, was looking quicker than I’d seen previously, winning all the loose balls etc.
I think if we’ve even a slight chance in the EL we will need him back. In the summer though I’d be fine to see him moved on as these injuries are a joke and we’ve got 3 more years of it.
I think if we’ve even a slight chance in the EL we will need him back. In the summer though I’d be fine to see him moved on as these injuries are a joke and we’ve got 3 more years of it.
He’s much better suited for Amorim ball than Hag ball, yes. Him playing at 10 also gave us an option to have Amad as RWB, a much better side. But such a disaster of a signing, shame that he’s never available.
Mason, great to see you posting here. Get well soon, buddy.
Shut up Joel.
He's going to go the way of Martial with all these muscle injuries he keeps getting but I hope we can just get at least half a season out of him between now and the end of his contract.
Would be nice to get a decent run of games out of him because he’s literally one of the players we have that suits this system. Such a shame he’s a perma crock.
What a disaster of a signing. It's absolutely shocking. We didn't even need him to begin with!
I think there is a really serious underlying issue that they still haven't quite got to grips with. I'm nowhere nearly medically literate enough to suggest what it could be but I wonder if they are doing endless tests to try and find the cause.
Groundhog post!
The problem with pelvic/groin injuries they are the worse type of injuries with their chronicity. The club went and made the idiotic decision to buy him on the back of a long groin injury. We deserved everything happened to us. It's not like he was some generational talent for cheap fee and low salary to risk it, it was rather a mediocre player (bar one fluke season) with a bad injury record the last season.
I was annoyed when Ten Hag initially chased him all summer. Everyone on here knew that it was going to be a bad deal and Murtough did it anyway for daft money.
Has anyone considered that maybe he's ended up such a perma crock in part due to playing in a system like this under Tuchel for a few seasons?
Yeah definitely more than a whiff of fraud about some of these signings. Both with the players and the finances.
How does a system cause injuries like this?
He's also been perma injured under ETH and Amorim. Two different managers with two different systems.
I mean during his time at Chelsea when he was playing in the same system Amorim deploys for a few years, in arguably the most physically demanding role. He could just be totally fecked from playing a role which isn't sustainable over a period of 4+ seasons.
Are there even more games played? Our treble winning season we played 64 games, City played 61 we would both have had preseason tours before and after the seasons.
Perhaps. He was already showing signs before we signed him. Mount’s injuries started piling up from January 2023 — he played 1 of Chelsea’s final 13 PL matches. Injured for 10, played one, unused bench for 2. We signed him that same summer.
One of the worst signings we’ve made. And that’s outside of the fact that we never even had a position for him (trying to play a midfield of Fernandes, Mount, and Casemiro might’ve been the dumbest idea ten Hag had)
Hopefully we sign an actual player deserving of the number 7 this summer.
This Chelsea 'legend' should never have been brought here, Ten Hag's legacy of fraud lives on.
Surprised no journalist asks what this guys injury is, is it mental or physical, both maybe.
This Chelsea 'legend' should never have been brought here, Ten Hag's legacy of fraud lives on.
Surprised no journalist asks what this guys injury is, is it mental or physical, both maybe.
Never mind the other rubbish he did, this signing ALONE is the reason why Erik Ten Hag is the worst Manchester United manager in history, bar none.
I quite remember many on the caf backing that idea actually, comparing it to Man City and Arsenal's setup. Many described Mount as an upgrade on Fred, same workrate but better technique and more goalscoring.
We were nowhere near Arsenal/City in possession to try that.
Himself and Shaw will be back once we get over Sociedad
Honestly think that was pure copium. People didn't want to believe we'd spent £60m on a dud, especially when he only had one year remaining on his Chelsea contract.
It was always extremely farfetched to believe he'd be able to come here and reinvent himself as a deeper midfielder.
It was never a deeper midfielder, it was the idea of a 433 with one defensive midfielders and two 8's that press high up the pitch and contribute in Attack. Mount has played as an 8 before, but not necessarily in such a setup.
City played: Rodri, De Bruyne, Bernardo/Foden
Arsenal were to play: Rice, Odegaard, Havertz.
The point remains the same. Fernandes and Mount would've been two 10s masquerading as 8s.
The Havertz signing was equally bemusing for Arsenal and that's why he ended up being used as a false 9.
Playing his best football? I feel like he had just returned from injury, played a few minutes and then got injured again. He hasn't even played a full 90 minutes and I'm not even sure he's managed 60 minutes this season, surely that limited playing time is not enough to be worth mentioning as his best football for us.
We can get linked to Andy Carroll and there will be some who'll start making a case for him. A few years back folks were hailing Glazers and Woodward inspite of them constantly fecking up the club. Go to the Ownership thread and you'd find INEOS shills building straw man to defend their honor. There are a lot of company men and women here.
Yep - I think that is very apparent at this stage. There were concerns about his workload prior to all the injuries that Tuchel even addressed, although it's important to note this started under Lampard.
Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, Chelsea & England were averaging 71 games a season and Mount played 70% of all available minutes. He then played 70% of all available minutes for club & country the following season before the winter World Cup.
When you consider the level that is all at - i.e. arguably the most physically demanding and competitive league in the world, a run to a CL final, another run to a CL semi final, 3 FA Cup finals in a row, a League Cup final, additional games like the Super Cups x2 and then travelling for the Club World Cup, plus a run to the Euro's final with England as well, that's a HUGE amount of physically demanding football - especially for a player that was known for his pressing and work-rate off the ball as much as on it.
It's no wonder he ended up with pelvic / hip injuries that required surgery as I am assuming that those types of injuries generally only occur through wear & tear over a long period (and I believe he had been struggling with it for months prior to actually getting surgery). Given the amount of stabilizing muscles around the hip with all the flexor / extensor groupings (quads, hamstrings, glutes) etc it's probably then no surprise he is suffering seemingly recurring muscular injuries.
What can I say? It's not a great sample size but it was his best football. He looked effective in the team for the first time he has signed, albeit he only managed a few short appearances.
United will forever have to manage his minutes, much like Varane and Shaw he will never be able to play 2 games a week and if he did then it would just increase the likelihood of him getting injured even more.
So it best if United just plan without him.
So it best if United just plan without him.