[Giggsyking]

This is where nuance comes into play, not ONCE did I say that Mount was a better player than Carrick. I didn’t even imply it. Good lord. Read again.

You implied that the measurement of the quality of a specific player is subjective (teammate and managers opinions) rather than what we see with (our own eye and the numbers he put) the objective measurement which is a moot point. You forgot to mention that Carick played in a position that is not advanced on the pitch to put numbers. But also Carrick passes both the eye test with his football intelligence and the superb quality of his passing that both Mount lack and was also measurable.

 

[DWelbz19]

That's all well and good. I've always thought he was rubbish regardless. We finally get him out of the England starting 11 and then my team goes and buys him!

Even at his best, Mount mostly offered off the ball movement and high energy levels. 2021/22 was an anomaly where he hit double digit G/As, but otherwise he’s always been a meandering goalscorer and not massively creative.

Annoying player to have signed.

 

[El Zoido]

He’d be a useful squad player in a well-functioning side. Never going to be a difference maker.

 

[Sylar]

He’d be a useful squad player in a well-functioning side. Never going to be a difference maker.

Which is what most thought before he was signed but we still spent a huge amount to get him with only a year left after the final season he had at Chelsea.

He needs a huge turnaround but I only see that if he plays a huge number of games in a row and we hope it works out.
Otherwise as expected another huge waste of money

 

[Rex Banner]

This is where nuance comes into play, not ONCE did I say that Mount was a better player than Carrick. I didn’t even imply it. Good lord. Read again.

It was a bad comparison.

 

[Irrational.]

Getting shades of Hazard as a Chelsea fan with this situation. We were able to milk Real Madrid for £100m+ for Hazard with 1 year left on his deal and then he went on to do almost nothing there. Here, we got £60m for Mount who was also in the final year of his contract and he has gone on to do nothing.

At least Hazard looked the part for you. Mount was average at best each time I saw him in your starting XI, and spent a lot of time injured.

Add this to the fact that you used the funds to buy possibly one of the best players in the league in Palmer makes it extra galling.

 

[acnumber9]

This is where nuance comes into play, not ONCE did I say that Mount was a better player than Carrick. I didn’t even imply it. Good lord. Read again.

No, you implied that anybody who couldn’t see it was just as likely to not see it with Carrick. Which is nonsense, because he was blatantly a very good player. Mount isn’t.

 

[Yagami]

Even at his best, Mount mostly offered off the ball movement and high energy levels. 2021/22 was an anomaly where he hit double digit G/As, but otherwise he’s always been a meandering goalscorer and not massively creative.

Annoying player to have signed.

We've been obsessed with playing with a 10 for well over a decade now, and it's sad that we've not had a good one that positively influenced our general play since prime Rooney.

Kagawa, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Donny, Mount. All weak players who had little to no effect on our general play. Some would say Bruno but, no, not for me. He definitely had more influence than the aforementioned players, but he was just as weak and the Hollywood style of play has never been my cup of tea.

We can only hope this new structure under INEOS starts targeting 10s that excel in their general play now that it looks like we're going to be playing with two of them or else I can't see things being pretty.

 

[Orc]

At least Hazard looked the part for you. Mount was average at best each time I saw him in your starting XI, and spent a lot of time injured.

Add this to the fact that you used the funds to buy possibly one of the best players in the league in Palmer makes it extra galling.

Mount did the business for us as well. And he was never injured until that last spell before leaving. He was a super reliable player here and instrumental under both Lampard and Tuchel.

He was seemingly always a player that fans outside of Chelsea didn’t rate super highly but his teammates and every manager he was associated with loved.

 

[UnitedSofa]

No, you implied that anybody who couldn’t see it was just as likely to not see it with Carrick. Which is nonsense, because he was blatantly a very good player. Mount isn’t.

Again. No i did not.

In the world of football, Carrick is never spoken about in the same vein as those 3, yet to those he played with he was.

 

[UnitedSofa]

It was a bad comparison.

Personally I don’t think it was. Both players are a players player. The type of player that players appreciate but fans do not.

 

[Stadjer]

This is where nuance comes into play, not ONCE did I say that Mount was a better player than Carrick. I didn’t even imply it. Good lord. Read again.

Looks like their brains stopped working after the ''Carrick was the same sort of player'' sentence. Not understanding it was a comparison between how a player is viewed by the public/manager instead of comparison of the quality of the player.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Looks like their brains stopped working after the ''Carrick was the same sort of player'' sentence. Not understanding it was a comparison between how a player is viewed by the public/manager instead of comparison of the quality of the player.

But the comparison doesn’t work. United fans appreciated Carrick as an important player in one of United ‘s greatest ever teams, even if England managers didn’t utilise him properly. United fans are scratching their heads as to why 60m was spent on Mount.

 

[Bluelion7]

He’d be a useful squad player in a well-functioning side. Never going to be a difference maker.

This is essentially what we told him. He told us to buzz off and started causing dressing room issues .. even had Declan Rice’s agent contact us to tell us we were really really mean essentially, and blind to the glory that was Mason.

If he can’t make it in Amorims system, which is similar to the systems he had some success in .. idk. One of the two inside 10 spots should have been an area to thrive.

Danger for United is: the man has the 7 jersey, a big paycheck, and an unshakeable faith that he is never in the wrong.

He can’t stay on those wages and be a squad player.

 

[Redstain]

Have to say that this is his performance thread not what he's done for Chelsea thread or anything else and on the basis of his performances he's been a terrible signing for the club. I keep reinstating the same thing in the Garnacho thread where people are using 'potential' to overlook the actual players contribution in performances, the same thing is happening in this thread just potential is being replaced with 'system' or 'squad-player'.

I think people have this idea that he's a Swiss army knife but Mount is anything but that when assessing his capabilities and contribution.

He can't play on the half turn, he doesn't have the space / defensive awareness to play in the midfield and he's not got the ingredients to play out wide in the league week in week out. He's in the exact same boat only with more talent as Donny.

The reason why Mount hasn't been successful when being featured is because he lacks versatility.

So if your a number 10 who isn't world class and you can't adjust to another position in a team that possesses Bruno, you have no place in the existence of the first team?

Honestly if after 24 months time approximating 4 seasons (total) we are looking at Mount and saying Jesse Lingard did more for the club than him, it's a damning realization.

Hope it works out but for all intents and purposes I can't see it.

 

[rockhopperpenguin21]

He should start ahead of Bruno for a few games. If he shows promise fine, if not ship out. At least that will keep Bruno fresh for Europe (or a cup run).

 

[Stadjer]

But the comparison doesn’t work. United fans appreciated Carrick as an important player in one of United ‘s greatest ever teams, even if England managers didn’t utilise him properly. United fans are scratching their heads as to why 60m was spent on Mount.

At first Carrick wasnt exactly a fan favorite if i remember correct. Carrick was an excellent player but it wasnt exactly as noticeable as it was with Roy Keane or Paul Scholes for example.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We should cut our losses and move on if he can’t turn things around big time . No time to waste with these duds. I want to believe in him but a big club doesn’t wait for players.

 

[P-Ro]

Nothing player.

 

[acnumber9]

Again. No i did not.

In the world of football, Carrick is never spoken about in the same vein as those 3, yet to those he played with he was.

You did. Thats why multiple people interpreted it that way.

 

[acnumber9]

Looks like their brains stopped working after the ''Carrick was the same sort of player'' sentence. Not understanding it was a comparison between how a player is viewed by the public/manager instead of comparison of the quality of the player.

But plenty more fans saw Carrick for the quality player he was. It was a shit comparison. Mount being liked by teammates because he runs a lot means nothing if it doesn’t translate to better performances on the pitch.

 

[Doracle]

He came in yesterday with what turned out to be 25 minutes to go, in place of Bruno, to be the creative spark to drive us to hopefully at least an equaliser.

I don’t want to be too harsh but I genuinely don’t remember him doing anything. Not one creative pass, dribble or shot. Having now looked at the stats, I see he played a grand total of 5 successful passes none of which were key, had no shots and no successful dribbles. It’s simply not good enough.

 

[Suedesi]

Will go down as a stupid signing - especially as we ended up strengthening Chelsea's FFP position tremendously.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Sancho with another major contribution.

 

[Godfather]

Nothing player. A van de Beek with slightly better pressing ability

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

He's just a nothing player.

Terrible signing. A great example of the obscene money we've wasted on dross over the last 11 years.

And yeah, I don't give a feck what he did for Chelsea several years ago, don't think we need Chelsea fans giddy at not being shite for the first time in a few years coming on here constantly trying to defend him.

 

[FreakyJim]

He's was like the anti Bruno vs Forest. Rarely came for the ball, hid behind players and didn't take risks.

Timid 10, not an 8 too. from what I see. I know he's probably low on confidence and afraid of another injury but time is running out. He's in his second year here and hasn't done anything.

 

[rockhopperpenguin21]

He's definitely not going to come on and change the game. The whole team was off on Saturday (apart from Amad). I still think give him some starts and if he doesn't impress then so be it.

 

[jem]

We've been obsessed with playing with a 10 for well over a decade now, and it's sad that we've not had a good one that positively influenced our general play since prime Rooney.

Kagawa, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Donny, Mount. All weak players who had little to no effect on our general play. Some would say Bruno but, no, not for me. He definitely had more influence than the aforementioned players, but he was just as weak and the Hollywood style of play has never been my cup of tea.

We can only hope this new structure under INEOS starts targeting 10s that excel in their general play now that it looks like we're going to be playing with two of them or else I can't see things being pretty.

Disagree on Mata. He didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped (ie. a POTY candidate like he'd been with Chelsea) but he certainly had an impact on our general play, particularly during the LVG years and, to a lesser extent, the Mourinho years.

 

[jem]

Again. No i did not.

In the world of football, Carrick is never spoken about in the same vein as those 3, yet to those he played with he was.

I get what you're saying, but I feel like Carrick was appreciated by the fans (although you do wonder if that appreciation grew up even more after he left, and we realized what we were missing without him.)

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

He’d be a useful squad player in a well-functioning side. Never going to be a difference maker.

This gets said constantly but I'm not really sure it's true anymore. Just running around a lot isn't enough for a good team, and he doesn't bring much else. We could literally get a youth player to put out the performances he gives us right now and there would be little drop off.

A useful squad player gives something unique to the team. Whether it's creativity, goal threat, defensive ability, extra passing ability and progression etc. Mount doesn't give any of those, he just sort of plays quick safe passes in possession and runs around a lot out of possession. We should be aiming to get more than that even if its just a squad player.

 

[Bobby_2024]

Onana+Martinez+Mason+Casemiro+Rasmus+Antony=370M, unbelievable guys...

I really wish TenHag episode wouldnt have happened as it sets us on back step for next few years..

Hope something happens quickly to fix all this mess...

 

[Dancfc]

I've never really got him as a player, even when things were going well for him at Chelsea. I've always wanted to see it with him, but haven't. I've seen some tiny sparks from him for us, but it's never gone further than that, still time for it to I guess. He's a puzzling player to me.

He must have something.

He is/was a good supplement player..

Similar to say Pedro, can coexist with star players in a solid system but if you're asking him to drag a team over the line himself? Forget it.

 

[Gordon S]

I don`t have the stomach to find out why people are defending Carrick in Mounts thread. Can not take it. Will just move out of here backwards like Homer

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

He should start ahead of Bruno for a few games. If he shows promise fine, if not ship out.

Based on what? He started in Bruno's position vs Arsenal and only made 11 attempted passes. He's shown nothing to warrant deserving a run of consecutive starts ahead of one of our best players.

 

[Hammondo]

Based on what? He started in Bruno's position vs Arsenal and only made 11 attempted passes. He's shown nothing to warrant deserving a run of consecutive starts ahead of one of our best players.

We have such awful competition for the 10 positions.

 

[Fortitude]

He is shit and should be one of the first players out of the club in the summer. He has some value as well

I still think we could get £20-30m out of him. Cut our losses and move on.

Nobody is taking his wages off us, let alone forking out a transfer fee. We're specialists at snookering ourselves with poor players on excessive contracts that literally no other European club would go anywhere near.

I don't even think Saudi Arabia would want Mount as his profile is not distinguished enough.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Thanks ETH. Literally everyone saw him as what he was but not the people running the club or the coach.

I am hoping he finds some sort of form so that we get something out of 60m we gave away to chelsea.

 

[Yagami]

Disagree on Mata. He didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped (ie. a POTY candidate like he'd been with Chelsea) but he certainly had an impact on our general play, particularly during the LVG years and, to a lesser extent, the Mourinho years.

Fair enough! For me, Mata only had two games where I thought he truly lived up to his reputation, and those were Juanfield and Wolfsburg. That mini run we had at the end of van Gaal's 1st season was excellent where we also beat Spurs, City and Villa on top of that Liverpool game, and Mata was a key part of that run so I'll give him those games, too, and I randomly remember him being impressive against Southampton (the game where we played Di María as our striker), but I don't think he ever played as well as he did in those first two games I mentioned.

I'm not saying he was terrible outside of those games either. I'd say he was mainly just okay, not terrible or that good. The most influential players in terms of how they effected our general play under van Gaal for me were Carrick, Blind and then Martial when he joined in his second season, and then, under José, Pogba, Ibrahimovic and Matic when he eventually joined.

 

[Fortitude]

Before he came here, I never had any issues with Mount and it was interesting to watch the tandem ascent of he and his best mate (the media made a meal of them being bessies so gonna leave it blank), and since then, both have had mixed fortunes, but Mount has absolutely plummeted. We’re not even getting the poorer version of his Chelsea self; he cannot adjust to life here, and I suppose the constant turnover, turmoil and rubbish football we play is collectively the worst set of conditions for a perfunctory, system player.

He’s come here and been the worst version of himself seen in professional football; a player whose wage is risible and whose output could be matched by a promoted academy player. He was supposed to be the upgrade on the Fred or Lingard types, but has fallen well short of both.

Perhaps he’ll find his feet. Perhaps injuries have ruined him, but what is for sure is that he’s been a shockingly poor piece of business up until now. Even when he’s on the pitch, what he’s offering the team can be questioned because it’s not what was supposed to be on the tin - like spoons of salt from a sugar bowl or some such tepid analogy.

I thought he’d be a 6ish out of 10 signing and serve up the solid baselines we’re desperately in need of, but Mount even having a decent game seems to be a challenge.

With someone so lacking in talent, I’m not sure how you make some massive about turn. Outside of making him the essential cog in a system primed for him first and foremost, I am not sure there’s enough to extract to make the effort worthwhile. Mount isn’t special enough to invest copious amounts of time fiddling and fine tuning a role for, so unless he can get with Amorim’s way and demands, he’s going to become a very expensive anchor that we have little use for, certainly not in line with his fee and wages.

We’ve wasted so much money.

The people who Okayed such signings have set us back so much.