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I’d try him on the right side of the attack. Looking at the current squad he seems the best choice to play there.

He’s a good player, more often than not players need time to adapt. But since we signed Amrabat I think it’s obvious that he’ll partner Casemiro in midfield with Bruno in front of them. Stick Mount right with Rashford left and Hojlund up top and I have a feeling that might be our best lineup.
 
Despite less dynamism than Mount, we generally look better with Eriksen (who I thought was excellent against Arsenal, by the way) in our midfield. This is why I was confused as to why ten Hag didn't purchase a more dynamic version of Eriksen. As it is, ten Hag has Mount, who can't really play that deep-lying playmaker role. Therefore, ten Hag has three options:

1 - Be stubborn and continue with Mount as the deep 8 and hope that it falls into place
2 - Play Mount as a CAM and Bruno out wide or vice versa
3. Rotate him with Bruno in the CAM role

With the amount of games we'll, potentially play this season, I get the feeling we'll see a mixture of three, but its quite obvious that Mount struggles to play the deep role.
 
Either way he will become a backup player for us, which isn't bad because he can play on various positions and can always step in if needed. But he is definitely not starting material - not as a CM, CAM or RW.
 
Some bizarre posts in this thread.

Mount will play as one of two no8s in EtH’s 4141 from the moment he gets back from injury and for the foreseeable future. It will all make sense in a few months.
 
Would rather see him play on the right than Antony because he will at least offer the same defensive work rate but unlike Antony we could at least expect some decent deliveries into the box for Højlund.

But overall the signing just has huge question marks surrounding it.
 
Is he on course to be fit post international break or do we not know?
 
Cloud7 said:
Is he on course to be fit post international break or do we not know?
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As awful as it sounds, I hope not. Despite losing to Arsenal, we looked a far better team without Mount. Despite not being as mobile, Eriksen’s performance was far, far better than anything Mount has served up for us.

Alarmingly, the argument cannot be made that Mount is adjusting - as these are the performances he’s been dishing up for the past 18 months for both Chelsea and the national team.

Back up player, at best. But we all know that’s not the case, and I fear for the team going forward if this fraud is starting games on a regular basis for us.
 
Leethal said:
As awful as it sounds, I hope not. Despite losing to Arsenal, we looked a far better team without Mount. Despite not being as mobile, Eriksen’s performance was far, far better than anything Mount has served up for us.

Alarmingly, the argument cannot be made that Mount is adjusting - as these are the performances he’s been dishing up for the past 18 months for both Chelsea and the national team.

Back up player, at best. But we all know that’s not the case, and I fear for the team going forward if this fraud is starting games on a regular basis for us.
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Well I'm thinking with all the talk around Antony these days that ETH may take him out of the firing line in our next match, in which case he may look at playing Mount there
 
aeh1991 said:
Either way he will become a backup player for us, which isn't bad because he can play on various positions and can always step in if needed. But he is definitely not starting material - not as a CM, CAM or RW.
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I don’t think EtH believes in “back-up” players. Mount is part of our pool of midfielders who will compete with each other for starts and sub minutes.

If you are saying you think his team mates will regularly outcompete him such that he rarely gets starts, that might be true but I doubt it. EtH wants to play his complicated 4141 system, he believes in it, he will persevere with it. I can’t see anyone outcompeting Mount for one of the no8 positions.
 
OrcaFat said:
I don’t think EtH believes in “back-up” players. Mount is part of our pool of midfielders who will compete with each other for starts and sub minutes.

If you are saying you think his team mates will regularly outcompete him such that he rarely gets starts, that might be true but I doubt it. EtH wants to play his complicated 4141 system, he believes in it, he will persevere with it. I can’t see anyone outcompeting Mount for one of the no8 positions.
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Sure there will always be competition, but imo Ten Hag is also a believer of consistency and he clearly has his starters, sometimes he even favorizes certain players over others (every manager does that tbh).

My initial point was that I don't think Mount will start lots of games. He will rather be a frequent "hole filler". For example, when Amrabat leaves for AFCON he will compete with Eriksen in CM or if Antony gets suspended he will be used on the right wing more frequently. But I doubt that he will ever beat Amrabat or Eriksen to become a clear starter on the position we signed him to play. He won't have the same status as Rashford, Bruno, Casemiro or Lisandro. So in the end this makes him a backup player..
 
goatmeister said:
I got ridiculed in Mount's transfer thread for suggesting that Szoboszlai is a better buy, especially for half the wage outlay.
What a muppet I am.
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Now you're a bigger muppet to try and humble brag when Mount's only played 2 games. Good work.
 
Leethal said:
Well it isn’t exactly quantifiable, so we’ll just leave it at that.
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It doesn't need to be that quantifiable to call bullshit. He was very highly rated by Chelsea fans regardless of how poor his (and every player in a Chelsea shirt) final season was.
 
goatmeister said:
I got ridiculed in Mount's transfer thread for suggesting that Szoboszlai is a better buy, especially for half the wage outlay.
What a muppet I am.
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Szoboszlai is more exciting because you haven't seen him play as much as Mount, despite him not actually being better, and Mount has shown much more. It is the same with nearly every single player that is unknown/known. Some of you thought Naby Keita was the next Kanté.
 
zaafi said:
Szoboszlai is more exciting because you haven't seen him play as much as Mount, despite him not actually being better, and Mount has shown much more. It is the same with nearly every single player that is unknown/known. Some of you thought Naby Keita was the next Kanté.
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I remember this. Took a good half season at least for people to say "oh wait a minute.."
 
VP89 said:
It doesn't need to be that quantifiable to call bullshit. He was very highly rated by Chelsea fans regardless of how poor his (and every player in a Chelsea shirt) final season was.
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I mean, we could go back and forth on this. But what’s the point? Scour fan forums - see what they think. But again? What the point? Ask your Chelsea supporting mates down the pub what they think? But what’s the point?

Like I said, it cannot be quantified. For every argument you’d have, there would be a counter.

I think he’s absolutely shite, you don’t. No problem.
 
Leethal said:
I mean, we could go back and forth on this. But what’s the point? Scour fan forums - see what they think. But again? What the point? Ask your Chelsea supporting mates down the pub what they think? But what’s the point?

Like I said, it cannot be quantified. For every argument you’d have, there would be a counter.

I think he’s absolutely shite, you don’t. No problem.
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What's the point in debating any player at all? It's a forum.

"I think Messi is shit, you don't, let's leave it at that". - Leethal
 
Leethal said:
I mean, we could go back and forth on this. But what’s the point? Scour fan forums - see what they think. But again? What the point? Ask your Chelsea supporting mates down the pub what they think? But what’s the point?

Like I said, it cannot be quantified. For every argument you’d have, there would be a counter.

I think he’s absolutely shite, you don’t. No problem.
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Forums are very much a point in time thing. At one point in time this caf was up for selling Rashford.

Yeah you're fine to claim that you think he's absolutely shite, and I can disagree. But I can certainly call BS on this insinuation & Chelsea fans (even the resident ones here, the representative ones on youtube, etc.) don't agree either.

I think the most telling thing about Mount is that it's not just Ten Hag who targetted him heavily. Arteta + Klopp did too whilst Poch wanted to keep him.
 
I think Szoboszlai looks the better player and better value too. Based on what they did prior to moving, not a couple of games.

You can’t discount the fact that the homegrown quota matters and having a player of Mount’s quality in there rather than someone like McTominay is useful, though.

Mount seems a much more disciplined player keen to execute the managers’ tactical plans over expressing his own individual quality, too.

So there’s not really much point in comparing them. We got him to fit a role that Szoboszlai can’t fill. You can debate whether Ten Hag was right to prioritise those qualities, or whether we were right to back Ten Hag, but it’s not about Mount. Criticising the player for not being something he wasn’t bought to be is silly.
 
Brwned said:
I think Szoboszlai looks the better player and better value too. Based on what they did prior to moving, not a couple of games.
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Really? So Mounts work for Chelsea is not as good as what Szob did in Austria? Tell me more.
 
Leethal said:
As awful as it sounds, I hope not. Despite losing to Arsenal, we looked a far better team without Mount. Despite not being as mobile, Eriksen’s performance was far, far better than anything Mount has served up for us.

Alarmingly, the argument cannot be made that Mount is adjusting - as these are the performances he’s been dishing up for the past 18 months for both Chelsea and the national team.

Back up player, at best. But we all know that’s not the case, and I fear for the team going forward if this fraud is starting games on a regular basis for us.
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I think this nails it for me. ETH obviously has a plan and that’s fair enough but Mount hasn’t just been woeful in his first couple of United appearances, he’s been terrible for two years. The biggest frustration for me is that we could’ve brought in someone significantly better for similar or less money. The Hungarian lad at Liverpool, Lavia etc. there were good options out there for £55million. As a utility bench option fair enough, but at least he’s in fashion with the majority of our transfer dealings in recent years in that it’s another hefty outlay we’ve got wrong.
I’d 100% be playing Eriksen or even Amrabat.
 
mikeyt said:
I think this nails it for me. ETH obviously has a plan and that’s fair enough but Mount hasn’t just been woeful in his first couple of United appearances, he’s been terrible for two years. The biggest frustration for me is that we could’ve brought in someone significantly better for similar or less money. The Hungarian lad at Liverpool, Lavia etc. there were good options out there for £55million. As a utility bench option fair enough, but at least he’s in fashion with the majority of our transfer dealings in recent years in that it’s another hefty outlay we’ve got wrong.
I’d 100% be playing Eriksen or even Amrabat.
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Why are you making things up? 11 goals and 10 assists in 2300 PL minutes, won POTY and had the assist for their CL final victory. Yeah, terrible!
 
Leethal said:
I think you'll find it's mostly the grown up people that DO care about that.

Grown up people grew up with Best, Robson, Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo etc. wearing the #7. Whether you want to believe it or not, it is/was an iconic number for Manchester United. Admittedly, though, it's lost it's shine lately, with players like Owen, Valencia, Di Maria and now this latest abortion donning the number; which is a shame.
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I used to get the No.7 to school, or the 88, 112 or 113 it didn’t matter because they were all busses and all went to where I was heading.
It’s a number, nothing more than a number, the only significance it has is what you attach to it and that significance lives in your head . . in the same way that fairies exist in the minds of those that believe they do.
But fairies don’t exist and the No.7 has no particular significance because it’s not the number on the shirt that matters it’s the player inside, so best you get over both my friend ;-)
 
zaafi said:
Why are you making things up? 11 goals and 10 assists in 2300 PL minutes, won POTY and had the assist for their CL final victory. Yeah, terrible!
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His last season at Chelsea was terrible though.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Let’s ask them.
@duffer @WeePat @ZolaWasMagic @Mb194dc @Rnd898 @Reezy @Dancfc @Rajiztar @1905 @Bluelion7 @Orc @Amadaeus :wenger:
Can we get a consensus guys? Is Mount rubbish altogether according to Chelsea fans? Thanks.
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I’ve said before he’s a player that had kind of divided some the fanbase but the same fanbase voted him Chelsea POTY two years in a row. I think he’s a fantastic player. He did have poor season last season though, and not started this season particularly great, so he’s going to have to rediscover his old form pretty soon. When you’re a big money signing, the expectations are greater and the rope his new fans will afford him is much shorter than what he got at Chelsea as an academy graduate. He’s left his comfort zone now, and he’s now at a club that doesn’t know him or care about him the way we did, which is natural, so he’s gonna have to navigate that new reality. It’s the same for Palmer at Chelsea now.
 
Quite an inconsistent player who did come up with the goods in some key matches. Always had a good work rate and pressing. Figure thats why ETH wanted him.

It wasn't exactly clear what his best position was, certainly accusations of being the managers favourite under Lampard and was dropped by Tuchel for a bit.

He had some personal issues with crazed stalker that probably didn't help his football last year.
 
I'm actually excited to see how he fares with a proper no.9 in front of him, as well as a progressive ball carrier like Amrabat playing alongside him. I don't think any of our players have covered themselves in glory in the first 4 games, so feel its a bit odd to single him out already.
 
VP89 said:
Really? So Mounts work for Chelsea is not as good as what Szob did in Austria? Tell me more.
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I think you've become way too invested in this subject to recognise how strange your tone is in response to a throwaway comment. I really don't care that much about Mason Mount to jump into a discussion that's full of deep-seated frustration and snide comments. I think Mason Mount's a good player. No big deal.
 
Brwned said:
I think you've become way too invested in this subject to recognise how strange your tone is in response to a throwaway comment. I really don't care that much about Mason Mount to jump into a discussion that's full of deep-seated frustration and snide comments. I think Mason Mount's a good player. No big deal.
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It's less being "too invested" and more just being perplexed at how one can make that statement based on the little Szob has done so far with respect to Mount
 
flappyjay said:
His last season at Chelsea was terrible though.
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The poster said the last two years, not the last year. Anyway, what Chelsea player wasn't terrible last season? They had three different managers during the season, and no one had any clue what was going on, and it's not easy having to adapt right away to different set-ups and tactical approaches. He'll come good here. Not necessarily a player I'd like to start every game, but he's a very good player to have in the squad and the only midfielder that can carry the ball and that bring the ball forward on the half turn.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Let’s ask them.
@Rnd898 :wenger:
Can we get a consensus guys? Is Mount rubbish altogether according to Chelsea fans? Thanks.
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Definitely not rubbish. Mount was one of my favorite players between 2019-2022 and one of our most consistent performers in those years. A solid 7/10 performer most weeks with the occasional monster performance every now and again. Mount was never a flashy player with silky smooth dribbling etc. which is probably why some people didn't rate him because he doesn't look all that great when you look at his Youtube highlight reels but overall he's really good at what he does and it's easy to understand why most managers he's ever had seem to like him so much.

That said, I still don't know if Casemiro, Mount and Bruno can function together as a midfield unit. In my opinion Mount and Bruno are both too attacking minded for that midfield to have enough balance and it could leave Casemiro exposed, at least against the top teams. Maybe the idea is to go with Casemiro, Mount, Bruno against the bottom table sides you're expected to dominate and then Casemiro, Amrabat, Bruno against the top sides with Mount either on the bench or playing out wide? I have no idea.
 
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