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zaafi said:
Why did you make it so difficult to read?

During an individual Premier League season, Bruno has never had a better season (without his goals) in terms of goals + assists was the point. Why are you talking about through balls and goals per match?

Best season of Mason Mount 21/22 (2363 minutes played, no penalties) - 11 goals, 10 assists (21 G+A)
Best season of Bruno Fernandes 20/21 (3099 minutes played, no penalties) - 9 goals, 12 assists (21 G+A)

Looking at this, it shows they're equal, and Bruno played 736 minutes more which is around 8 full matches, so Mount had a better goal + assist ratio per 90 than Bruno did. How did you manage to conclude that Bruno has played a 1000 minutes less than Mount?

Edit: Looking back, Mount actually had a goal from a PK so it's 10 goals, not 11, which has Bruno at one more. Even then, per 90 Mount still beats him.

You claim Mount doesn't create in conjuction with his pressing and sprints, which is incorrect, and if you bothered, you'd know that. In 21/22, Mount was number 12 in PL for chances created, ahead of Grealish, Bernardo Silva, Maddison, Bowen, Mahrez, Mané and others. The year before he was number 2, only beaten by Bruno. I suggest you also look up Mount's presses per 90, which is much more effective than Bruno's.
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You use the one season where Bruno had to play with Ronaldo, feel free to get back to me on the others.

You're deliberately using very niche parameters to make a point because when you don't artificially limit yourself, your argument falls down.

At no point has Mount outperformed or been a better player than Bruno. It's so obvious and the stats don't lie, they only come out in favour of Mount when you look through a tiny, self inflicted lens.

EDIT:

Christ, you can only win this if you discount pens, which is why you're doing it :lol:

Also love how Bruno joined in January of 2019, yet still got more assists than Mount.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
You use the one season where Bruno had to play with Ronaldo, feel free to get back to me on the others.

You're deliberately using very niche parameters to make a point because when you don't artificially limit yourself, your argument falls down.

At no point has Mount outperformed or been a better player than Bruno. It's so obvious and the stats don't lie, they only come out in favour of Mount when you look through a tiny, self inflicted lens.

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Christ, you can only win this if you discount pens, which is why you're doing it :lol:

Also love how Bruno joined in January of 2019, yet still got more assists than Mount.
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That is not the season he played with Ronaldo, it's actually a bit funny how wrong you are in every single post you make. Anyway, in the season he played with Ronaldo he scored 10 goals and had 6 assists in 3111 minutes. That exact same season is the season where Mount scored 10 non-penalty goals and had 10 assists, so Mount absolutely outperformed Bruno in terms of goals and assists. How can you even deny that? Blaming it on Ronaldo is a bit odd as well, considering he was PL's third top scorer with 18 goals, ahead of Harry Kane.

Win? Why are you talking about winning as if this is a competition? So embarrassing. If Harry Kane scored 23 goals and 13 of those were penalties, would you rate that ahead of a striker that scored 21 non-penalty goals and played less minutes?

Your point about Bruno joining in January 2019 doesn't make sense. What is your point? Mount has played 5 months longer than him, so he should have more assists since then?
 
Cassidy said:
---- Rashford -- Hojlund -----
------------Fernandes ------------
---- Mount -- Amrabat --------
------------Casemiro --------------
Shaw Martinez Varane AWB
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Could even adapt this as a narrow 442 the way Simeone has done with Atletico Madrid. Bruno covering the right and Mount of the left but not as wingers but Right and Left CMs.

It could make us compact but also have our midfield closer together so give it away less cheaply.

Scoring will still be a problem but it will be regardless of what formation we play.
 
El Jefe said:
Could even adapt this as a narrow 442 the way Simeone has done with Atletico Madrid. Bruno covering the right and Mount of the left but not as wingers but Right and Left CMs.

It could make us compact but also have our midfield closer together so give it away less cheaply.

Scoring will still be a problem but it will be regardless of what formation we play.
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We'll probably see that 11, but not in a diamond set-up. Doubt ETH employs that.
 
zaafi said:
That is not the season he played with Ronaldo, it's actually a bit funny how wrong you are in every single post you make. Anyway, in the season he played with Ronaldo he scored 10 goals and had 6 assists in 3111 minutes. That exact same season is the season where Mount scored 10 non-penalty goals and had 10 assists, so Mount absolutely outperformed Bruno in terms of goals and assists. How can you even deny that? Blaming it on Ronaldo is a bit odd as well, considering he was PL's third top scorer with 18 goals, ahead of Harry Kane.

Win? Why are you talking about winning as if this is a competition? So embarrassing. If Harry Kane scored 23 goals and 13 of those were penalties, would you rate that ahead of a striker that scored 21 non-penalty goals and played less minutes?

Your point about Bruno joining in January 2019 doesn't make sense. What is your point? Mount has played 5 months longer than him, so he should have more assists since then?
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Sorry 21/22 he didn't play with Ronaldo? The season you use Mounts stats from?



This is embarrassing, like seriously, you enjoy Mount. I'll enjoy Bruno.

Sorry, every metric possible for offensive output over the tenure of both players in the league, Bruno is better.
 
I come to the Mount thread. All posts talk about Bruno. Wtf
 
zaafi said:
What has Ronaldo anything to do with Mount performing for Chelsea? What the feck? :lol:
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Christ, let's baby this for you.

You used stats for Mount for 21/22.

I said, you're using those stats for Mount, during a year Bruno had to play with Ronaldo, to make a point.

You tried to claim Bruno didn't play with Ronaldo during 21/22.

I just sent you the highlights of, Ronaldo, playing for United, in 21/22.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I come to the Mount thread. All posts talk about Bruno . Wtf
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Simply because someone claimed that Bruno basically presses as much as Mount but doesn't have that held against him like Mount.

I responded that's because Bruno actually contributes offensively, a lot more, than Mount. So while he presses he actually creates and wins games, whereas Mount doesn't to the same level.

Hence why people lament him for just pressing.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Christ, let's baby this for you.

You used stats for Mount for 21/22.

I said, you're using those stats for Mount, during a year Bruno had to play with Ronaldo, to make a point.

You tried to claim Bruno didn't play with Ronaldo during 21/22.

I just sent you the highlights of, Ronaldo, playing for United, in 21/22.
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Are you on acid right now? When did I ever claim Bruno did not play with Ronaldo in 21/22? I used Mount's stats from the year Bruno played with Ronaldo, but Bruno's stats were from the year before, when they had similar output. Ronaldo did not play for us in the 20/21 season, where I used Bruno's stats.
 
Can Mount play as right winger/midfielder ? With more details emerging about Antony surely playing Mount on the right allows us to play Bruno where he should be played with Amrabat alongside Case.
 
DomM said:
Can Mount play as right winger/midfielder ? With more details emerging about Antony surely playing Mount on the right allows us to play Bruno where he should be played with Amrabat alongside Case.
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That’s where he had his best season for Chelsea
 
DomM said:
Can Mount play as right winger/midfielder ? With more details emerging about Antony surely playing Mount on the right allows us to play Bruno where he should be played with Amrabat alongside Case.
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Remains to be seen but I think he could work there. Playing tucked in with Rashford giving us width from the left. ETH might want one more shot at his original plan though, especially now we have an actual centre forward fit.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That’s where he had his best season for Chelsea
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I think i recall a Chelsea fan saying he was terrible on the right when i asked him that :nervous:

To be honest i've never quite had the same dislike of having Bruno operate on the right that some have on here. It might not be his best position but he's still a creative player there. Wouldn't mind seeing Mount as the 10, Bruno on the right and Casemiro and Eriksen or Amrabat in the centre.
 
Cassidy said:
---- Rashford -- Hojlund -----
------------Fernandes ------------
---- Mount -- Amrabat --------
------------Casemiro --------------
Shaw Martinez Varane AWB
---------------Onana ----------------
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You might be on to something. Considering that we've just lost Sancho and can potentially lose Antony as well, going to a 4-4-2 diamond might be our best bet.

Rashford needs space to operate effectively, otherwise he becomes very wasteful. So having him mimic Henry and have him start on the left side channel between LW and CF might work best. Use Hojlund to create space for everyone to run into, especially Bruno/Rashford.

Have Mount or Mainoo provide that extra bit of grit and workrate, while someone like Eriksen/Amrabat to provide the extra control in the midfield that we're lacking in order to recycle the posession. And of course have Casemiro shield the back 4.

---- Rashford -- Hojlund -----
------------Fernandes ------------
---- Mount/Mainoo -- Eriksen/Amrabat --------
------------Casemiro --------------
Shaw Martinez Varane AWB
---------------Onana ----------------


This could work!
 
Cassidy said:
---- Rashford -- Hojlund -----
------------Fernandes ------------
---- Mount -- Amrabat --------
------------Casemiro --------------
Shaw Martinez Varane AWB
---------------Onana ----------------
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Think the front 3 would work great, but Mount and Amrabat need to be really proficient ball carriers to make that system work. They're both decent but I'm thinking like Camavinga level for that.
 
Leethal said:
Some mad fecks comparing Mount's output to Bruno's
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Every poster on here knows you hate Mount, which is absurd in itself when he's barely played for us. Anyway, again:

Mason Mount's best PL season - 21/22 (non-penalty goals, assists) - 10 goals, 10 assists in 2363 minutes
Bruno Fernandes' best PL season 20/21 (non-penalty goals, assists) - 9 goals, 12 assists in 3099 minutes

Can you explain to me how their output for these seasons cannot be compared? If you had bothered to read the entire exchange of posts between us, and not instantly turn into a mindless robot when you see a poster talking about "Mount" and "good" in the same sentence, you'd know that the point was never that Mount is as good as Bruno, or that I was comparing their goals and assists output since Bruno joined, because Bruno quite clearly wins here. The poster said that Bruno, in conjunction with his running, can create chances, while Mason Mount can't do that, which is false. So, how can these seasons' output not be compared?
 
zaafi said:
Every poster on here knows you hate Mount, which is absurd in itself when he's barely played for us. Anyway, again:

Mason Mount's best PL season - 21/22 (non-penalty goals, assists) - 10 goals, 10 assists in 2363 minutes
Bruno Fernandes' best PL season 20/21 (non-penalty goals, assists) - 9 goals, 12 assists in 3099 minutes

Can you explain to me how their output for these seasons cannot be compared? If you had bothered to read the entire exchange of posts between us, and not instantly turn into a mindless robot when you see a poster talking about "Mount" and "good" in the same sentence, you'd know that the point was never that Mount is as good as Bruno, or that I was comparing their goals and assists output since Bruno joined, because Bruno quite clearly wins here. The poster said that Bruno, in conjunction with his running, can create chances, while Mason Mount can't do that, which is false. So, how can these seasons' output not be compared?
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Zaafi would it be possible to get the set pieces assists No for Both Bruno and Mount for their best seasons .
 
Irwin99 said:
I think i recall a Chelsea fan saying he was terrible on the right when i asked him that :nervous:

To be honest i've never quite had the same dislike of having Bruno operate on the right that some have on here. It might not be his best position but he's still a creative player there. Wouldn't mind seeing Mount as the 10, Bruno on the right and Casemiro and Eriksen or Amrabat in the centre.
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Same here. I think he gives us additional dimension with crossing ability. Plus, his work rate is great (even if he's not good defensively at all).

Mount seems more suited to midfield role to me. No idea why he is playing so high up the pitch.
 
gajender said:
Zaafi would it be possible to get the set pieces assists No for Both Bruno and Mount for their best seasons .
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Sorry, but I don't know how to extract assists from open-play only. I'm sure someone on here knows how to do it, though!
 
DomM said:
Can Mount play as right winger/midfielder ? With more details emerging about Antony surely playing Mount on the right allows us to play Bruno where he should be played with Amrabat alongside Case.
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tomaldinho1 said:
That’s where he had his best season for Chelsea
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Mount has played off the left more than the right (think you are getting mixed up).

He’s obviously predominantly a central player though, in Brunos role or slightly deeper as an out and out CM.

As I say though I think he’s decent coming in from the left although that doesn’t help us much given we have Rashford and Garnacho who much prefer that side.
 
zaafi said:
Every poster on here knows you hate Mount, which is absurd in itself when he's barely played for us. Anyway, again:

Mason Mount's best PL season - 21/22 (non-penalty goals, assists) - 10 goals, 10 assists in 2363 minutes
Bruno Fernandes' best PL season 20/21 (non-penalty goals, assists) - 9 goals, 12 assists in 3099 minutes

Can you explain to me how their output for these seasons cannot be compared? If you had bothered to read the entire exchange of posts between us, and not instantly turn into a mindless robot when you see a poster talking about "Mount" and "good" in the same sentence, you'd know that the point was never that Mount is as good as Bruno, or that I was comparing their goals and assists output since Bruno joined, because Bruno quite clearly wins here. The poster said that Bruno, in conjunction with his running, can create chances, while Mason Mount can't do that, which is false. So, how can these seasons' output not be compared?
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I mean, you're taking penalties away from Bruno - now take corners away from Mount. Where does it end?

I don't hate Mount. I don't know the guy at all. I just do not rate him at all as a footballer, and most definitely, think he was an absolute waste of money - money that we do not have. Inadvertently, our team's in the shit due to the money absolutely wasted on a player that a) I do not think is good enough, and b) plays primarily in a position we have adequate coverage in. It's a very costly experiment to try to convert him into an effective 8. There's no guarantee this will work at all. And based on the evidence so far, need I say more? Let me be very clear - this is not Mount's fault. He cannot be to blame for the tactics, position, and transfer. But let me also be very clear on this: I do not think he is good enough for Manchester United. Standards have massively dropped, if this guy is our marquee signing.

And you say "barely played for us". He's played in the league a good while now - he doesn't need to adjust to the tempo and environment. Additionally, he's been shite for the past 18 months. What we're seeing now, is par for the course for what he's been producing for the national team and Chelsea over the past 18 months. Should we bring Dele Alli in? He was good once, too.
 
Leethal said:
I mean, you're taking penalties away from Bruno - now take corners away from Mount. Where does it end?

I don't hate Mount. I don't know the guy at all. I just do not rate him at all as a footballer, and most definitely, think he was an absolute waste of money - money that we do not have. Inadvertently, our team's in the shit due to the money absolutely wasted on a player that a) I do not think is good enough, and b) plays primarily in a position we have adequate coverage in. It's a very costly experiment to try to convert him into an effective 8. There's no guarantee this will work at all. And based on the evidence so far, need I say more? Let me be very clear - this is not Mount's fault. He cannot be to blame for the tactics, position, and transfer. But let me also be very clear on this: I do not think he is good enough for Manchester United. Standards have massively dropped, if this guy is our marquee signing.
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Fair enough, that is a reasonable take. I do think you should wait for him to see how he performs for us, though. There is a reason Chelsea fans on this forum rate him highly. It is possible for a player to improve after the age of 24. In fact, most players do.
 
Leethal said:
I mean, you're taking penalties away from Bruno - now take corners away from Mount. Where does it end?
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Why do we have to take anything away from any players to prove an agenda ffs? What's with this weirdest of takes as of late?
They are both very important players for us and have different qualities to contribute. The manager has to work out a system to bring out the best of both.
 
JuriM said:
Why do we have to take anything away from any players to prove an agenda ffs? What's with this weirdest of takes as of late?
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That's the point I was making.

Strong disagree with the "both" important players. Mount has done nothing, at all, to warrant being labeled an important player
 
Cassidy said:
---- Rashford -- Hojlund -----
------------Fernandes ------------
---- Mount -- Amrabat --------
------------Casemiro --------------
Shaw Martinez Varane AWB
---------------Onana ----------------
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I like that. Wish we had the opportunity to try that in pre-season. I would swap Mount and amrabats positions, I think having mount on the right would take the load off awb in the attacking phase.
 
TheReligion said:
Mount has played off the left more than the right (think you are getting mixed up).

He’s obviously predominantly a central player though, in Brunos role or slightly deeper as an out and out CM.

As I say though I think he’s decent coming in from the left although that doesn’t help us much given we have Rashford and Garnacho who much prefer that side.
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Look at his heat map for his best season at Chelsea.
 
For those posting the diamonds, the front 6 look pretty decent to be fair.

But, with a diamond you need quality attacking full-backs going forward and we're miles away from that so don't see it happening.
 
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---------------- Hojlund
Rashford ---- Bruno ----- Antony
-----Amrabat -------- Casemiro


1. Mount
 
Cassidy said:
---- Rashford -- Hojlund -----
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---- Mount -- Amrabat --------
------------Casemiro --------------
Shaw Martinez Varane AWB
---------------Onana ----------------
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Those formations only work in theory. For sure in 2023.
For a diamond to work these days, you a) would need to have

a) two (at the very least 1.5) exceptional box to box player, who are not only good at at midfield stuff, but also at chipping in with goals and contributing defensively. We have Mount and Amrabat. Mount is a 10 who played on the wing for a bit. When employed in midfield with us, he hasn't set the world alight (granted, many factors involved) so it is safe to say, he for sure wouldn't be able to get the "exceptional" label. Amrabat (even though he is getting better and better for every minute he doesn't play for us) has been employed as DLP for Fiorentina. Skillset wise, he might be close to a real box to box player, but he is by this day definitely lacking the attacking output. So he isn't an exception for that as well. (I only have to note, that it is borderline optimistic that so many people consider him as such a pivotal point to our team already. Same for Mainoo... I really hope, those players aren't getting crushed when they aren't meeting such high expactations)

b) as diamond systems lack width, you should have two very dynamic fullbacks who are not only joining attacks on a constant basis but also have to be switched on constantly in the builtup because their positioning can be key when trying to stretch opposition. We have AWB, Shaw, Dalot and Malacia. I think, this list is standing for itself.

ETH will never play like this because those formations have to be tinkered so much to make sure, he isn't loosing width which is essential to him. If we play like this, watch opposition just block the center of the pitch and we are done.
 
Better players are generally quick to adapt, I know, mad idea.
Some greats took a bit longer, but mostly due to external circumstances.
Communication, persistent/recurring injuries, low fitness level, just to name a few.
 
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NZT-One said:
Those formations only work in theory. For sure in 2023.
For a diamond to work these days, you a) would need to have

a) two (at the very least 1.5) exceptional box to box player, who are not only good at at midfield stuff, but also at chipping in with goals and contributing defensively. We have Mount and Amrabat. Mount is a 10 who played on the wing for a bit. When employed in midfield with us, he hasn't set the world alight (granted, many factors involved) so it is safe to say, he for sure wouldn't be able to get the "exceptional" label. Amrabat (even though he is getting better and better for every minute he doesn't play for us) has been employed as DLP for Fiorentina. Skillset wise, he might be close to a real box to box player, but he is by this day definitely lacking the attacking output. So he isn't an exception for that as well. (I only have to note, that it is borderline optimistic that so many people consider him as such a pivotal point to our team already. Same for Mainoo... I really hope, those players aren't getting crushed when they aren't meeting such high expactations)

b) as diamond systems lack width, you should have two very dynamic fullbacks who are not only joining attacks on a constant basis but also have to be switched on constantly in the builtup because their positioning can be key when trying to stretch opposition. We have AWB, Shaw, Dalot and Malacia. I think, this list is standing for itself.

ETH will never play like this because those formations have to be tinkered so much to make sure, he isn't loosing width which is essential to him. If we play like this, watch opposition just block the center of the pitch and we are done.
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You wrote a large wall of text but you don’t know much about Mount clearly
 
Cassidy said:
You wrote a large wall of text but you don’t know much about Mount clearly
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Maybe you didn't read the "large wall" of text properly. Even if I am wrong about Mount (don't think I am and he secretely is Vidals 2nd coming because this is what I mean with exceptional) we would still be short of the other 8 position and the two fullbacks.

Don't take it personal - your suggestion is as good as anyones. But it wouldn't work these days. And a coach like ETH wouldn't use it, because it doesn't offer width.

What do you mean about Mount? Genuine question - all I know is that he for sure didn't get plaudits for being box to box. Would you say that isn't correct?
(for the record: I am not against Mount, wouldn't have bought him but not because he isn't a good player when deployed correctly - just don't think, he is the right fit at the current time)
 
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