Don't they care about what he did?Going to play for Jamaica
Don't they care about what he did?Going to play for Jamaica
How in the world do you think someone can answer that?Don't they care about what he did?
It's more of a rhetorical question.How in the world do you think someone can answer that?
What point are you trying to make with it?It's more of a rhetorical question.
Why would any national team take him?What point are you trying to make with it?
I'm completely lost. If you're making a specific point here can you be clearer? As in, stop asking questions and just say what you want to say?Why would any national team take him?
Why would any national team take him?
Well for example Sigurdsson plays again for Iceland.Why would any national team take him?
Same reason club teams in other countries would and have.
My point is on club level it makes them money so they put the morals aside.I'm completely lost. If you're making a specific point here can you be clearer? As in, stop asking questions and just say what you want to say?
Are you saying it sends a poor message from Jamaica to take him? If so, I agree.
"My client allegedly killed some people 2 years ago, and allegedly hasn't since, why is this still so relevant to you?"
Lets do more of these silly ridiculous takes, it's classic caf stuff. You should start a thread.
Those "many people" should firstly look up how domestic abuse works and how common it is partners will stay with their abusers.The problem is, his partner and her parents have moved on and dropped the charges. She then had his baby after.
Many people are looking at it as if her and her family can all forgive him/move on then why should football fans also not move on and forgive him.
I am not justifying what he did as it is disgusting, but that is clearly how many people are now seeing it.
There is a lot of money waged on national level so the all about football angle is not correct. At all.My point is on club level it makes them money so they put the morals aside.
On national level it's about football and as you say sends a poor message.
Those "many people" should firstly look up how domestic abuse works and how common it is partners will stay with their abusers.
Well I'm glad my club showed some.Yes but then what about her family, all the fans of Getafe and Marseille, plus every other club that was linked with him, plus many Man United fans wanted him to stay.
Clearly lots of people in football are happy to ignore it as long as he performs well. Unfortunately, football has no morals, look at where the last World Cup was held for example, and also look at how the PL welcomed with open arms the owners of Man City, Newcastle etc.
Carsley was asked about him last week and said;On performance alone is Greenwood currently the best performing forward eligible for the national team? Wonder if they would ever pick him again.
Yes but then what about her family, all the fans of Getafe and Marseille, plus every other club that was linked with him, plus many Man United fans wanted him to stay.
Clearly lots of people in football are happy to ignore it as long as he performs well. Unfortunately, football has no morals, look at where the last World Cup was held for example, and also look at how the PL welcomed with open arms the owners of Man City, Newcastle etc.
Personally think it would cause too much strife. I mean the golden boy Bellingham has already called him a rapist to his face in a match.Doing well in a second rate league rarely gets players picked for England.
Carsley picked Gomes though so it would not be totally off the table if it wasn't for the Greenwood's off field actions.
What about her family? Why does my own moral compass have to be shaped by some random woman's family's morals?
As people have said above, many women who are victims of domestic abuse struggle to leave. Some parents will have to go along with it because there's no other option for them. It could be that the partner and/ or her parents are happy for the financial gravy train to continue.
I don't know and frankly don't care, because I don't need Greenwood's father in law to decide how I'm going to maintain my own moral compass.
Well he’s not our problem anymore. Just wondering what stage it needs to get to for all United fans to forget him. Will it be another beating for his girlfriend? Will it be him being snide against United? Where’s the line?The problem is, his partner and her parents have moved on and dropped the charges. She then had his baby after.
Many people are looking at it as, if her and her family can all forgive him/move on. then why should football fans also not move on and forgive him.
I am not justifying what he did as it is disgusting, but that is clearly how many people are now seeing it.
Aaaaand we're back to whataboutery. Like clockwork...I bet you watched the Qatar World Cup...
He'll only be forgotten when we have a striker scoring 20+ goals every seasonWell he’s not our problem anymore. Just wondering what stage it needs to get to for all United fans to forget him. Will it be another beating for his girlfriend? Will it be him being snide against United? Where’s the line?
I bet you watched the Qatar World Cup...
I bet you watched the Qatar World Cup...
Aaaaand we're back to whataboutery. Like clockwork...
I watched some, not all. My general enthusiasm for football is not as high as it was. I've watched 0 Spurs games (or any for that matter) so far this season if you're interested in that.
I also did 80mph in a 70mph zone last week so I suppose I should go out and rape some people now, as they're definitely the same.
Wow. So by your logic anyone who has ever done anything that can be questioned by anyone, can never do the right thing ever, because somehow that's hypocrisy?
Is this some stupid version of Jesus' He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her?
Ask yourself, what would stupid Jesus say?
Relevant whataboutery, especially when the poster I said that to was talking about their 'moral compass.
If you have an apparent strong moral compass on ethical situations such as rape and other abhorrent acts, you can't then start being selective and ignorant towards other ethical issues, just because that is something that entertains you (such as the Qatar World Cup). It is hypocritical and takes away your ability to judge other peoples moral views, as it shows you have also ignored ethical issues.
80 in a 70 is not the same as the human rights issues in Qatar, the same as an 80 in a 70 is not the same as what Greenwood did. How can you preach about Greenwood when you didn't give a hoot about the Qatar World Cup. Selective morals while judging other peoples selective morals is not fair on the people you are judging.
It's been shown time and time again why the 'if you didn't protest about X, you can't complain against Y' 'logic' is simplistic and ridiculous. I bought an iPhone and have worn Nike in the past, does that mean I don't get to say that genocide is wrong?Relevant whataboutery, especially when the poster I said that to was talking about their 'moral compass.
If you have an apparent strong moral compass on ethical situations such as rape and other abhorrent acts, you can't then start being selective and ignorant towards other ethical issues, just because that is something that entertains you (such as the Qatar World Cup). It is hypocritical and takes away your ability to judge other peoples moral views, as it shows you have also ignored ethical issues.
Actually it doesn't. I don't actively avoid Marseille or Getafe games, they're just not on my radar to watch. If for whatever reason I'm at an establishment where they're showing one of those games for whatever reason, I'm not going to storm out.
I think Greenwood is a scumbag. I dont need a scared DV victim to tell me that he isn't.
Well that's everyone on earth.By the way, I think Greenwood is scum and I also truthfully hand on heart watched 0 minutes of the Qatar World Cup.
I just have a problem with selective morals and people sat on their high horse, judging other peoples moral views regarding human rights issues in football and footballers, when they themselves gave in over another human rights issue within football to satisfy their need for entertainment.
It's been shown time and time again why the 'if you didn't protest about X, you can't complain against Y' 'logic' is simplistic and ridiculous. I bought an iPhone and have worn Nike in the past, does that mean I don't get to say that genocide is wrong?
There's no point in doing this argument to death again though as you won't listen.
Well that's everyone on earth.
It's impossible for people to be on top of absolutely everything that opposes their morals, but shitting on people for actually taking a stand for anything they feel strongly enough about to voice their feelings is not the way to go.
By the way, I think Greenwood is scum and I also truthfully hand on heart watched 0 minutes of the Qatar World Cup.
I just have a problem with selective morals and people sat on their high horse, judging other peoples moral views regarding human rights issues in football and footballers, when they themselves gave in over another human rights issue within football to satisfy their need for entertainment.
I am judging the people shitting on the people that don't care about what Greenwood did, the same people that act like they care about human rights yet watched the Qatar World Cup.
I support people taking a stand on DV/rape, I am just saying it is harsh to judge people that still want Greenwood to play.
So it's ok in your mind for someone to say that what Greenwood did was awful, but it's not ok for that person to take issue with other people that don't feel that what Greenwood did was awful? All because that person watches the Qatar world cup?It is not about complaining about one over the other. My point is that you don't have a leg to stand on judging other people on their views of the Greenwood situation when you didn't give a hoot about everything that happens to people in Qatar.
I am not arguing about what Greenwood did, I am arguing about the judgmental hypocrites that are judging football fans for not caring about Greenwood.
I think you'll probably find this was a lot of people. You are always going to find technical hypocrisies in everything. Some did it whilst also spreading awareness of their terrible human rights record, others felt it was just out of their control and didn't want cnuts like that forcing them to miss a spectacle they've watched every 4 years since they were a kid. Greenwood is much easier to ignore.I am judging the people shitting on the people that don't care about what Greenwood did, the same people that act like they care about human rights yet watched the Qatar World Cup.
I support people taking a stand on DV/rape, I am just saying it is harsh to judge people that still want Greenwood to play.
I think, if I'm reading it right, you're allowed a comment on the crisis itself but you're not allowed to disagree with someone that DOESN'T give a shit about these crises.Presumably, going by this line of reasoning, I can never comment on any refugee crisis or geopolitical issue ever because:
-while I have gone on marches regarding and done work with refugees from Syria, Palestine, Sudan, Saudi, Tibet, Uganda etc etc among other countries, I have never done so for marches regarding DRC, Haiti, El Salvador or western Sahara.
-I own a smart phone and a laptop, as well as clothes. Many of which seem to have been manufactured in LEDCs.
Its similar to people being released from prison, theyve served their time and have the right to a life afterward rehabilitated or not. The difference being that in the eyes of most he shall forever be guilty as the CPS denied him the ability to serve time and rehabilitation.The problem is, his partner and her parents have moved on and dropped the charges. She then had his baby after.
Many people are looking at it as, if her and her family can all forgive him/move on. then why should football fans also not move on and forgive him.
I am not justifying what he did as it is disgusting, but that is clearly how many people are now seeing it.