lol there is no way in cold freezing hell that Gotze will be available for €40 million unless you believe in fairy tales.
Mario Götze - Transfer Discussion | Bayern: Götze will cost €40m
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Why not? He's certainly not worth more currently.
Not sure what he's worth exactly but it will take a lot more than €40 million to prise him away from Bayern because-
1. He is considered one of the best young players in the world and was excellent for Dortmund.
2. Despite the rumours of him being unhappy only Neuer played more games than him last season in the Bundesliga. In terms of minutes he was the 4th highest. Clearly he's more than just a squad player for them.
3. They have made it clear he is not for sale.
He has one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen. Those little smirks he makes.... fecking little knob jockey.
All the recent signals coming out of his corner seem to indicate he´s willing to move abroad. Would not surprise me to see Bayern move him and buy a different attacking midfielder/winger. Pep doesn´t seem to like him at all.
Where is that coming from? He played 32 out of 34 games in the Bundesliga, 28 as a starter. It's certainly true that he hasn't set the world at Bayern on fire, especially in the second half of the season, but it's not as if he's benched all the time; and (in my opinion a fact that should be mentioned) he wasn't used in his favourite position due to the injuries last season.
That quote is misleading. What he actually said was "I think Chinease food is great, especially sushi, which is japanese - I like asian food in general".
Hardly. He said Sushi was great chinese food, until the corrected himself.
Did you pick up on all the subtle context clues, such as him saying "I think moving abroad would be really interesting"?
Yes, I´m smart like that.
I don't know about that. Aside from the first 2-3 months last season was quite bad by his standards and yet again he wasn't played in the big games (subbed in very late both times against Barca and the cup semi against Dortmund). Before you could always explain that by Robben and Ribery being great players who were still a bit ahead of him but bound to decline soon(ish), but this time around both were injured and he still didn't get to start.
Imo that was a very clear sign about his chances of becoming a starter under Guardiola.
Eh, he might have had a tough time so far at Bayern but the Bojan/Januzaj comparisons are a bit too extreme. Personally I think he lacks the mentality, not the talent.
After losing a CL semi-final game 0-3:
After losing a rather unimportant Copa del Rey final:
How is a Copa Del Rey final not important ?
Well, "not important" is probably too extreme, a trophy is a trophy, but it's just a domestic Cup which is certainly a lot less important than the domestic championship or the Champions League. In any case the point is that a player of Messi's status with all his achievements doesn't have to cry about losing out on a freaking Copa del Rey trophy. Yet he does which shows how competitive he is. Meanwhile Götze is joking around after getting trashed in a CL semi-final.
Maybe I'm superficial and these things aren't that important after all but for me it's another indicator that Götze doesn't have the right mentality.
2 - at the end of the season he was playing a lot in the matches without value - and not in the other matches. Even a Mitchell Weiser was e.g. starting the Cup semi final against Dortmund. When it is about playing time - he was not injured and Bayern had very big injury problems.
3 - No, they did not.
He is no. 6 of all offensive options for 3 or 4 starting spots - and it will often be only 3 when the midfield stays healthy. There is Ribery, Robben, Müller, Lewandowsky and probably Costa ahead of him because Costa is a lot better than him in 1vs1 on the wing. I do not even see any chance for him to change that. Even with Robbery injured it is still Müller, Lewy and Costa who take the 3 spots because in the last season we have seen that you need the 1vs1 qualities in addition to the two strikers, too.
Even with alternative selections and shape - if Bayern has only half of the injury problems they had last season there is others to keep lucky in the squad who are more important than Götze.
I know that Götze in the Dortmund system looked like he would be the next World Class player - but he never did in other systems. He has worldclass technic - but that is just part of the show.
Typical Juve looking to land a top player on the cheap. Get him Woody!!
Sushi originated in China tbf.
He did look fantastic when he played his first matches for the national team as well, though. I won't believe that it's just the system that's holding him back (or propelled him at Dortmund, respectively).
Hasn't improved at all since he moved to Bayern. I don't know if Bayern would mind selling him, considering that he is on high wages and not really a first choice.
I think it is beyond harsh to judge players mentalities based on a single image.
The first matches... just one friendly against Brazil
Italian media is reporting that Juve are in negotiations with Bayern and have already reached an agreement with Götze.
For Juve it's good, interesting trio with Dybala and Morata.
Guadiola playing things down or putting all rumors to rest?
“Mario is a top player,” Guardiola told a Press conference ahead of Bayern’s friendly with Inter.
“He’s a player in my team, and he’ll be here for the season which is about to begin. There has been no contact with other teams, and I have nothing else to add.”
http://football-italia.net/69417/guardiola-‘no-gotze-talks’
“Mario is a top player,” Guardiola told a Press conference ahead of Bayern’s friendly with Inter.
“He’s a player in my team, and he’ll be here for the season which is about to begin. There has been no contact with other teams, and I have nothing else to add.”
http://football-italia.net/69417/guardiola-‘no-gotze-talks’
Pretty standard response from a coach when there is interest in a player. Wouldn't look too much into as i have lost count how many times coaches and directors have said something similar only for the player to be sold that same window.
I'm pretty much hoping this is the case as we need a CAM with lots of quality to take us to the next level.
It will be really shit if Juve pick him up on the cheap without competition. Clubs will be lining up bids twice the current one in couple of years.
And had two assists from whoscored stats - 4 with transfermarket stats
whereas Robben had 50 keypasses -> 7 assists - 8 (tm)
Müller had 41 keypasses -> 10 assists - 15 (tm)
Lewy had 31 keypasses -> 5 assists (8 tm)
Ribery had 29 keypasses -> 7 assists (10 tm)
The keypasses stats often do not tell much...
Robben, Ribery and sometimes Götze do a lot of set-pieces. Müller and Lewy never as they are needed inside the box.
Yep, but I think we've already done our business in his position. I'm just glad City or Chelsea won't get him.
Still way way less than the number of times the coaches and directors have said something similar and the player stayed though. We've been pretty open and honest about players leaving and never made clear cut statements when it wasn't true at all. Schweinsteiger this summer, Kroos and Mandzukic last and Gomez the summer before, everytime we let someone kinda high profile go, it sounded a bit like that in all press conferences and interviews.
By the way, Götze has by now complained that what he said regarding Juventus was taking out of context and today again stated to Bild that there isn't any truth to the transfer rumours.
Didn't he say something like "that's no one's business, I'll let you know when something happens" when asked about Juventus? Hardly a matter of context imho.
But anyway, by now everyone knows that he has some issues with communicating with the public
If we lost Di Maria I certainly wouldn't be against bringing in Gotze for some creativity.
Hell, bring him in just for the chance to see Ann Kathrin at OT alone!
Hell, bring him in just for the chance to see Ann Kathrin at OT alone!
If we lose Di Maria we should be going balls deep for any one of Reus, Bale or Lewandowski.
It would geuinely annoy me if we swapped ADM for Goetze. Sign him on his own and I would'nt complain.
It would geuinely annoy me if we swapped ADM for Goetze. Sign him on his own and I would'nt complain.
In an ideal world I'd rather we did go all in on Reus or Bale with the money but I think both of those players are probably a year from being in the situation to want to move on, Whereas I think there is definitely some unsettlement in the Gotze camp and would be more open to a move. Of course Bayern will say the opposite though, That is just logical business sense.
Agree 100%
While we are proceeding with sensible, logical moves in the transfer market, I'd actively move towards buying Reus for around £50m and shifting Di Maria for anything above £45m.
If we are going to be playing with 1 up front in a variation of a 4-3-3 I think it's important to have a player who can score as well as create. A goal every 6.3 games for Di Maria through his career (1 in 8 at United) doesn't suggest he's going to be that guy.
We can't depend on Depay too soon, Herrera will no doubt chip in with a few but we need goals from wide areas.
Depay - Rooney - Reus would be excellent.
Götze is extremely talented and we´d be stupid to let him go. He didn´t live up to his talent, but he also didn´t fail. It is weird, that he doesn´t find his position in the team. He seems to be tailor made to play as attacking midfielder from the left side with Bernat(Alaba) providing width. I get the feeling that Pep sees him as forward and not as midfielder, which is irritating. I´d only let him go, if he really wants to leave. Any team that wouldn´t be at least interested in signing him would be crazy.
People have a simplified view of management. It is not only about skill from a pure football perspective. Pep has often been praised for his attention to detail and micromanagement if you want to call it that. But not everyone thrives under this kind of management. Spain is a more hierarchical society than Germany and people there would expect more to be told in detail what is expected.
Germany is more participative with less power distance between managers and workers. Workers are more often encouraged to challenge management directives and be involved. Excessive detail control in such societies can hurt confidence, make workers passive and feel nothing is good enough.
This could be a reason why Götze is seemingly not taking off to levels some expected him to be at by now. I predicted some culture clashes already when he was appointed but it's impossible to know what is going on behind the scenes. It is all speculation. I think it might become more evident this season if it is the case.
Germany is more participative with less power distance between managers and workers. Workers are more often encouraged to challenge management directives and be involved. Excessive detail control in such societies can hurt confidence, make workers passive and feel nothing is good enough.
This could be a reason why Götze is seemingly not taking off to levels some expected him to be at by now. I predicted some culture clashes already when he was appointed but it's impossible to know what is going on behind the scenes. It is all speculation. I think it might become more evident this season if it is the case.