Mario Götze - Transfer Discussion | Bayern: Götze will cost €40m
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Robben and Ribery have been injured most of last season and he still struggled to be a first teamer. You can't argue the fact he has under performed and maybe just maybe.. He's not that good, or like I believe he needs to cement a position.
Talented he is but so is Sterling, I don't get why the price differs. However Sterling is wayyyy overpriced.
Yeah, after scoring the World Cup winning goal and starting 40 games for a European top team in the last 12 months, he's obviously on the path to become a sub in Italy before failing to perform in the Netherlands.
I'll get that he so far clearly hasn't lived up to the hype, but what a load of rubbish.
Has anyone pointed out he has a WC final winning goal? How many people alive have one of those?
Closer to Bojan than Messi, despite Löw's assessment - Krkic even had more goals by the time they were both 21
As Beckenbauer himself pointed out, if Mario can't thrive in the environment he's had then his WC goal will be all he's remembered for
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Yeah, because his manager motivating him when bringing him on in the World Cup final is comparable with your assessment here. Obviously both, comparing him with Messi and with Bojan, is utter nonsense.
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Stats alone back up my assessment and similar commentary coming out from Mario's camp to echo that of Bojan's back in 2011, both blaming Pep despite ample minutes, opportunities & support. The two players simply failed to thrive in the manner either expected/hoped, thus far
Watching both players along with the fact that Götze already had worldclass seasons as a regular starter at the top level, which Bojan never managed to come close to, paint a completely different picture though. But I guess watching football is overrated and judging players on stats and comments from their agents gives us much better insight into their performance level.
Not many it comes around every 4 years. Doesn't really mean a lot as comparing someone as a player though.
Are you serious? Götze surely has stagnated at Bayern, but to compare him to Bojan who had trouble establishing himself in Holland is nothing but ridiculous.
That is part of the problem. He was very good for Dortmund in their set-up but so was Kagawa.
He was talked up a bit by the German press and the German football fans so expectations rose to an unrealistic level which is not really his fault.
Good player, but something is missing. Dont know why, but he stagnated the last few years. I wait for the moment where everything starts to gel for him and falls into place, but it doesnt happen.
I know he scored that goal in the final, but has he done anything noteworthy in the last 2 years besides that? I cant remember a top performance in the CL or World Cup. He is still 23, but in 2 years people will say he is still 25, plenty of time left etc...
He was great at Dortmund, but i think there must be more to it than just not being able to reproduce the form for Bayern. Someone with his talent shouldnt have so many problems to consistently show what he is made of.
I know he scored that goal in the final, but has he done anything noteworthy in the last 2 years besides that? I cant remember a top performance in the CL or World Cup. He is still 23, but in 2 years people will say he is still 25, plenty of time left etc...
He was great at Dortmund, but i think there must be more to it than just not being able to reproduce the form for Bayern. Someone with his talent shouldnt have so many problems to consistently show what he is made of.
Spot on, never seen either play
Ronaldo, Iniesta and Zidane are three I can think of instantly. Iniesta's was identical to his basically, pretty much the same timing, similar game and similar goal.
I don't know. I don't even care. If you actually followed Götze's career over the last 5 years at senior level and think a comparison to Bojan is appropriate then say it straight and don't twist Löw's comments or come up with nonsensical stats.
That part of your post kinda gave the impression that you've no idea what you're talking about. Unless you actually believe that Bojan's goals for Barca mean that he performed stronger than Götze at Dortmund (both left at age 21).
I still expect him to be one of the best players in the world soon. I've not see many young players better than gotze at Dortmund. He was brilliant. Comparing him to Bojan is an insult.
You cant be serious there. Like @Balu pointed out. 2 fantastic seasons for Dortmund. Best young player around at the time for me.
BUT I also have to say that he had his troubles with us. 2013/14 was good overall. He fall of a bit in the last 2 or 3 months. Still 15 goals and 13 assists in 45 Bayern games.
He missed the next step last season. I love Pep and the fact that he is at Bayern but he doesnt know how to use Mario. Last Rückrunde(2nd half of 2014/15) was.....not goood.
He just turned 23. I need to see a huge improvement this season so.
BUT lets remember what he has won and done before turning 23 a little bit longer. Any comparison with failed talents like Bojan is really stupid.
That's 4 out of 6.5billion ppl on the planet
Not sure I've ever been convinced in the long-standing caf theory that he is, indeed, Jesus.
He's looked damn average for Bayern, from what I have watched with my eyes. Those who have read a stats website may tell me different, but he hasn't impressed me.
And yes, I am aware that like Angelos Charisteas, he has a winning goal in a major international tournament.
He's looked damn average for Bayern, from what I have watched with my eyes. Those who have read a stats website may tell me different, but he hasn't impressed me.
And yes, I am aware that like Angelos Charisteas, he has a winning goal in a major international tournament.
Not all of them are professional footballers though. I'd be shocked if more than 50% of all humans played football at a fully professional level.
Are we actually comparing Gotze with Bojan? 
Never mind 50%, I doubt there's even be 1%
I doubt it'd be 0.01% to be fair, I was just kidding. 1% is 60 million people. 0.01% is 600 thousand people, you have around maybe 10 thousand footballers at a fully professional level (i.e. making a living out of football)?You forgot going to Stoke as well.
I see more talent in Bojan than I ever have in gotze.
So can we expect him to rock up at Stoke next summer?
OK..... Beauty lies in the eye and all that..
That logic explains your username.
It's much higher than that. Going by an average squad size of 20 players, that would imply that there are only 500 fully professional teams in the entire world.
Again simplifying, given an average of 20 teams in each professional league, it would mean only 25 fully professional leagues.
I have no idea what the actual number is, but I'm guessing it's much closer to 100k than 10k. What an interesting off topic discussion though! Would like to know some proper estimates, and see how football compares to some other industries of employment.
Well if there are 20 teams in the league consisting of 25 players then there are 500 players in the league, then maybe there are about a 150-200 leagues (even Poland have 3 or 4 leagues where you can earn money good enough to get by) where you can make a genuine living out of football - so yeah, it's probably closer to 100k.
Is it too much to hope we can get two top players from Bayern in one window?
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...l-Di-Maria-Mario-Gotze-Bastian-Schweinsteiger
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...l-Di-Maria-Mario-Gotze-Bastian-Schweinsteiger
I think I would rather Muller.
Yeah I think most would, but he's not for sale. Especially not after selling us Bastian.
For a reasonable price, I'd be all for Gotze. But can't see it happening.
Swap deals eh.
Yep, too much. They can't sell two.
Bayern put 40m price tag on him
SKY Italia reporting that Bayern put a 40m Euro price tag on Gotze when Juventus inquired about his availability.
If he is indeed up for sale and Di Maria is to leave we should be in for this lad he is ridiculously talented and even if ADM wasnt leaving I would still go for him.
If he is indeed up for sale and Di Maria is to leave we should be in for this lad he is ridiculously talented and even if ADM wasnt leaving I would still go for him.
where do you put him here?
As talented as he is, He's not really a wide player though.
Plus i've always thought he was slightly overrated from the start.
Plus i've always thought he was slightly overrated from the start.
Do not want, we have too many #10's.