Mario Götze - Transfer Discussion | Bayern: Götze will cost €40m

He is pure talent.After his experience in Munich surely he is looking forward to prove himself.Despite United has Mata I think that wouldn't be excessive another attacking midfielder.He seems a bit lazy so Van Gaal could be the perfect coach for him
 
DWelbz19 said:
Bit extreme, but yeah, I don't see the uber-talent others do.
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Same. Whenever I've seen him, I've looked bloody hard for it but meh, he has never impressed me all that much. Wouldn't be concerned if Arsenal snapped him up. Chelsea could be a better match though.
 
pocco said:
When he first came on the scene I was impressed, but I just don't think he's developed and somewhere along the line I just lost interest in him as I decided he wasn't all he promised to be.

Would Bayern be making a profit at the quoted prices?
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You probably know but he is only 23, the way you are talking I could see him being 26-27 years old. Guardiola doesn't suit him, an other coach can make a better use of him.
 
This is probably who PSG should go for, and he would get to play at LWF where he probably should:

-----Ibra/Cavani-----
Gotze-Pastore-Lucas
---Matuidi-Verrati---

Can always drop one of Pastore/Lucas for whoever replaces Motta (Stambouli?) at times.
 
Blackwidow said:
In my book they are system bound when he never shows any of this skills either at Bayern nor in the national team... - and no, it is not the position...

I haven't seen the decision making or the vision and creativity. 2 real assists in more than 2000 minutes this season do not tell me anything different especially when your job is to operate in the last third...
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I agree with you, unlike what people say and what Dortmund fan say, he isn't versatile, if you play him in his best role, he is unplayable otherwise he seems awkward.
 
Nearly everytime I saw him since he left Dortmund, he was not convincing. There are many rumours and clichees about him - but at least a few seem to be true.

[ ] Fair weather player.
[ ] Apathetic.
[ ] More interested in parties, drinking and smoking than training.
[ ] Sensitive player, who feels quickly insecure.
[ ] Not fit.
[ ] Lost his vision.
[ ] Will end in a league like Turkey before he turns 28.

Not the player I would go for. I think Pep would love the idea to get rid of him as quick as possible.
 
Mata is better than this guy in every way. No Need for him here.

If Bayern can swap him for Vidal that would be fantastic Business by them.
 
Eh, he might have had a tough time so far at Bayern but the Bojan/Januzaj comparisons are a bit too extreme. Personally I think he lacks the mentality, not the talent.

After losing a CL semi-final game 0-3:

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After losing a rather unimportant Copa del Rey final:

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Surprised at the title change for a Sky Italia rumour, the Darmian transfer was a one off, mainly because Di Marzio was behind all of it.
 
I cant be the only one who didnt really see his talent even during his time at dortmund. I just assumed he was good because everyone was talking abouy him.

This shows why Klopp is the greatest man manager in the world; he knows how to place players to their relative strengths.

Yet to see one dortmund player be successful once leaving.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
I cant be the only one who didnt really see his talent even during his time at dortmund. I just assumed he was good because everyone was talking abouy him.

This shows why Klopp is the greatest man manager in the world; he knows how to place players to their relative strengths.

Yet to see one dortmund player be successful once leaving.
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Right.
22 goals 32 assists in 5700 minutes in the league and
2 goals 10 assists in 1279 minutes in CL
basically a goal/assist every 100 minutes, that really reads like your typical 18-20 year old midfielder.

His level of composure, maturity and consistency for Dortmund was ridiculous for someone his age.

And it's not even like he completely failed at Bayern, sure compared to how he began at Dortmund it was disappointing, but only the second half of last season was actually bad.
 
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Santiago_KinderBueno said:
I cant be the only one who didnt really see his talent even during his time at dortmund. I just assumed he was good because everyone was talking abouy him.

This shows why Klopp is the greatest man manager in the world; he knows how to place players to their relative strengths.

Yet to see one dortmund player be successful once leaving.
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Lewandowski
 
Would be the end of mata, and hererra has already nailed that AM spot. be brings so much balance to midfield. He's what rooney should have been as a no.10.
 
Cait Sith said:
Eh, he might have had a tough time so far at Bayern but the Bojan/Januzaj comparisons are a bit too extreme. Personally I think he lacks the mentality, not the talent.
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Interestingly enough, the very same was said about Bojan - it was all about his lack of mental fortitude

And even if you don't appreciate the comparison to Krkic, I continue to firmly believe a midfielder who can't thrive under Guardiola just exposes the player's limitations
 
FCBarca said:
Interestingly enough, the very same was said about Bojan - it was all about his lack of mental fortitude

And even if you don't appreciate the comparison to Krkic, I continue to firmly believe a midfielder who can't thrive under Guardiola just exposes the player's limitations
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Yeah. Why don't we put all the players in the world in two categories: on one side we have players who Pep loves and on the other players who obviously are terrible because Pep doesn't love them.
 
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Haha Bayern gona use Schweinstiger & Gotze money to buy Pogba. Win win situation


Gotze to Liverpool or City is what I'm thinking
 
do.ob said:
Yeah. Why don't we put all the players in the world in two categories: on one side we have players who Pep loves and on the other players who obviously are terrible because Pep doesn't love them.
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Sure, that's exactly what I said. I realize it's difficult to accept but your boy is mentally weak - not the first (See Bojan), won't be the last
 
FCBarca said:
Sure, that's exactly what I said. I realize it's difficult to accept but your boy is mentally weak - not the first (See Bojan), won't be the last
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Götze is not my boy, far from it tbh. I'm just looking at players with my own eyes and not through Pep's lineup sheets. And I don't know why you believe that Götze is mentally weak, he had zero trouble with all the hype and the pressure when he took charge at Dortmund in his teens. When his move to Bayern was announced just a couple of hours before the CL semi against Real, he reacted to that situation by showing a very good performance and setting up Lewandowski's opening goal.
When he returned to Dortmund with Bayern and the whole stadium was raging at him he responded with a calm finish for Bayern's lead and when he was subbed in for the extra time of the world cup final he calmly finished his chance with great composure.

Your posts concerning Götze read like you don't know the player at all and only make assumptions based on Pep's decisions.
 
FCBarca said:
Interestingly enough, the very same was said about Bojan - it was all about his lack of mental fortitude

And even if you don't appreciate the comparison to Krkic, I continue to firmly believe a midfielder who can't thrive under Guardiola just exposes the player's limitations
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The difference between Krkic and Götze ist that at the age of 18, Krkic was a hot prospect and Götze was clearly one of the best players in the league for Dortmund. He wasn't only great for an 18 year old, he was great fullstop. And nowadays, he so often isn't anymore...

Edit: Bayern playing against Valencia in China right now (4:1 atm). Right on cue, Götze can't play because of muscle stiffness.
 
Gotze as a teenager was one of the best I've seen. Up there with Rooney, Fabregas etc.
 
I'd have him rather than Pedro. Too talented to fail. Pep just can't use him
 
You don't score in the WC final is you're mentally weak...
 
They're giving up on him after 2 seasons? After all the fuss to sign him?
 
do.ob said:
Your posts concerning Götze read like you don't know the player at all and only make assumptions based on Pep's decisions.
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Your posts read like you draw faulty conclusions & garnish them with condescension. See, I can do it too

The similarities are striking, IMHO. Even more so when you watch their body language on the pitch, neither looked the part at similar stages in their promising & hyped careers. Perhaps Mario will go on to be a much better footballer than Krkic will ever be but mentally they share a lot I think. Bojan didn't have the burden of an expensive and controversial transfer either and didn't lack for talent.

Despite the kneejerkers thinking it is easy to play with the Messi's of the game, that leap (Prematurely attributed to Mario, IMO) to great player on a great team, is no small task. I think Krkic suffered for years from that burden and it remains to be seen how Mario does with it.
 
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For 40M euros I would bite their hands off. Well worth a punt. He can play anywhere across the frontline and the sort of player who can unlock defences.

Yes, he hasn't quite fulfilled his early promise but you know what they say about form vs. class. You will never get much upside with the signings Liverpool and midtable clubs make (usually 1/20 pay off), but we are a top club and top clubs have to pay for the real deals or lay their bets on players like Götze.

BTW, let's stop assessing 23-year-old signings relative to whether Rooney may end up in midfield. FFS, he is 29, look at how quickly RVP went to pot... we won't get anywhere if all squad decisions revolve around fitting Rooney/keeping him happy and such.
 
do.ob said:
Your posts concerning Götze read like you don't know the player at all and only make assumptions based on Pep's decisions.
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It's so obvious. The whole Bojan - Götze comparison has been silly from the start. He's now just making shit up so that his orginal comment doesn't look as silly as it obviously is.
 
:lol: the players he's getting compared to.

Have these people watched how good Gotze was for Dortmund?
 
Him and Draxler have both stalled over the last few years. Hope both do manage to reach their potential.
 
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