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Mario Götze - Transfer Discussion | Bayern: Götze will cost €40m
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Good price for someone and worth the gamble but not for us. We've got Juan Mata.
He hasn't impressed me a lot at Bayern. Not the right man for us I think.
He's obviously a very good player, but I never quite saw the out-of-this-world-talent in him that the German posters here kept referring to.
He can give us the option of playing with a formidable trident ala Barcelona where Rooney can be in the middle and there is constant interchange with Gotze and Depay for example. Bayern had already worked out a deal for him as Pep was coming in and I remember him saying something to the effect that while Gotze is great he needs Thiago and he has not featured prominently under Pep I remember last season against Barcelona he did not start either of those games. Based on this I believe Pep does not rate him very highly so for the right price hes available.
He did show that at Dortmund. But it's probably the same story as Kagawa, a player who found the perfect role in the perfect system, and who is unlikely to hit the same heights elsewhere.
I really don't think it's realistic for Goetze to play like that and perform well
Despite the fact that Pep does not
While he is not as talented as Neymar I do think he can operate in a similar role, hes an excellent dribbler and in the past three seasons he scored 15 goals in all competitions so he has goals in him and if played regularly can improve on this aspect of his game hes just 23.
I must admit that I dont watch the bundesliga regularly but nonetheless I have been impressed by his technical ability every time I've seen him play. Would love a Bayern fan's perspective on him.
Goetze has done some amazing things, he's well above Kagawa imho.
Another player that's so talented you have to be interested in if available.
He'd be interchangeable in any of the positions behind the striker, and could even play as the striker if needs be. No brainer at that price.
Hope we are interested.
He'd be interchangeable in any of the positions behind the striker, and could even play as the striker if needs be. No brainer at that price.
Hope we are interested.
Does he ever play on the right of a front 3? I can't remember, I know he goes left and central attacking mid.
Cheaper than Reus 
If true he really hasn't left a good impression on Pep.
Could we benefit from what he would offer? If it means replacing Di Maria
If true he really hasn't left a good impression on Pep.
Could we benefit from what he would offer? If it means replacing Di Maria
Cheaper than Reus
Because Reus is currently twice the player? What's so weird about this?
Would anyone be ok with us selling Di Maria to PSG and getting Götze as his replacement? I think Götze might be a better fit for a LVG team then Di Maria is.
Go for him. That's a great price. He's going to be much better than mata.
Hoping Chelsea/arsenal/city don't get him. He'd be a big hit at arsenal.
Hoping Chelsea/arsenal/city don't get him. He'd be a big hit at arsenal.
Oh go away your like an annoying bee. It was a joke. Be useful and help me out with the other questions I asked
You will never rate Reus right?Cheaper than Reus
Cheers! Hes definitely not a CM imo needs to play upfront either on the wings, behind the striker or as a false 9. I guess I just rate him very highly and would like to see that caliber of a player at United.
I actually thought it was funny, I did laugh when I read it. I doubt it's true though, if that answers your questions.
But none of them absolutely top drawer. Gotze has it in him to be IMO. I'd rather have him than the ones we do.
Where would he fit in at Arsenal? Or United? You both have packed midfields.
Di Maria, Depay, Mata, Young, and now I guess Fellaini will play further up the pitch as well. Arsenal have Sanchez, Özil, Ramsey, Wilshere, Ox, and Cazorla plays there at times. It's the last place in the team where either need a big signing.
Obviously he'd replace someone. Like I said, I'd have him over Mata or Rooney as a number 10. Not even worth comparing to fellaini. Does ozil play as a number 10 at arsenal ? I thought he played wide.
Chelsea would look terrifying with Götze in the team.
Costa
Hazard Götze Willian
Matic Fabregas
Hazard Götze Willian
Matic Fabregas
Yup. Hopefully he just stays put. Hazard, Gotze and Fabregas creating for Costa.
Neither Mata nor Rooney are players you're going to sell though. No chance. And yes, Özil is their ideal 10 isn't he? Wasn't Ramsey playing on the right towards the end of the season? And now Theo is back healthy so Özil can play in the middle with him out on the right.
That's exactly what I'd love to see. Dream.
Never liked or rated, most overrated player ever.
A much better replacement for Di Maria than most, and a bargain at that price when Sterling cost 80% more...
Like many others I'm honestly not 100% Götze will ever do the hype justice. He might but I think if he will then in the #10 position. I don't think he's fast enough to be a winger in the PL but that said he obviously has amazing technique so that could make up for it.
edit: should probably add that he has good decision making and vision.
Yeah couldn't see them telling Juve that either.
I'm not exactly being realistic. The only team going for him right now are Juventus.
Rooney isn't a number 10 for us right now. Hopefully he going to be our main striker.
And you've got Oscar as well.
Na I like him. Look at the who to replace Di Maria with thread, was my first pick.
There is just one problem with that theory: Götze´s style was not that outstandingly suited for Klopp´s football. He never stood out in pressing like Kagawa did, he is not as fast with and without a ball like Reus nor is his workrate as astounding as Bender´s or by many other role players. If he would not have been an academy product, I doubt Klopp would have gone for him.
He had skills which made him really valuable for us:
- quick and good decision making
- high mental strength and maturity on the field, which allowed him to carry a struggling Dortmund at the age of 19 and made him really consistent
- vision and creativity
- rock solid passing game (range & accuracy)
None of these abilities are particulary system dependent in my book.
The reason why he flourished in Dortmund that well was because Klopp gave him the freedom to play the role he fulfills the best: the one of the play maker.
At Dortmund he was granted responsibility at a very early stage and he clearly enjoyed influencing the game flow and having his feet in basically every attacking play. Out of all attacking players we had at his time, he was the one with the most consistent presence. The engine of our attack. Scores were a nice surplus in his case but his string pulling was more important.
Then he went to Bayern Munich with the stamp as the most talented German of his generation on his back. The problem was that Guardiola did not care for that. For him he was not the main man, but just a surplus and void filler, a transfer of the other Bayern officials. To this day I have no idea what role Guardiola actually has in mind for him given how much he rotated him.
He did not have the standing with the fans as he had at Dortmund as the pride of the academy or inside the team, where the undisputed play maker was understandibly a different player. Add to that the (partially self created) bad press and the difference in pressure between Dortmund and Bayern.
It is not that surprising that a young player like Götze (people still underestimate how young he still is) could suffer under these circumstances, although I never pictured him struggling that much.
He's actually remarkably consistent with his goals too. Hovers between a goal every 3 to 3.74 games throughout his career.
Team | Appearances | Goals | GPG* | GPGR**
BVB | 116 | 31 | 3.74 | 0.27
BM | 92 | 30 | 3.07 | 0.33
Both | 208 | 61 | 3.41 | 0.29
Ger | 45 | 14 | 3.21 | 0.31
* Games per goal
** Goal per game ratio
Truly 2 footed too. He would undoubtedly be of use but I fear, like Mata, his career will record a collection of the best trophies but will forever be plagued by being deemed a square peg in a round hole by too many coaches.
Team | Appearances | Goals | GPG* | GPGR**
BVB | 116 | 31 | 3.74 | 0.27
BM | 92 | 30 | 3.07 | 0.33
Both | 208 | 61 | 3.41 | 0.29
Ger | 45 | 14 | 3.21 | 0.31
* Games per goal
** Goal per game ratio
Truly 2 footed too. He would undoubtedly be of use but I fear, like Mata, his career will record a collection of the best trophies but will forever be plagued by being deemed a square peg in a round hole by too many coaches.
In my book they are system bound when he never shows any of this skills either at Bayern nor in the national team... - and no, it is not the position...
I haven't seen the decision making or the vision and creativity. 2 real assists in more than 2000 minutes this season do not tell me anything different especially when your job is to operate in the last third...
I've barely seen him play for Bayern, though I watched a few impressive appearances for the national team back when he was at Dortmund.
Can't believe he's lost his talent, I suspect that Guardiola's particular system of tiki taka or whatever he uses these days doesn't suit Goetze.
In a world where Sterling goes for £49m, we should be biting Bayern's hand off for this guy at €40m.
He was always massively overrated. It says a lot that Bayern are so quick to show him the door after only two seasons. Read between the lines?
Bit extreme, but yeah, I don't see the uber-talent others do.
Bayern knows his value isn't going to go any higher. He' just doesn't fit in present Bayern squad. I think he was good for couple of months in middle, when everyone thought he's back to form. Also he got 2 years left in contract, hence the reduced value. 40m seems adequate for player like him.