di Maria or Mata are probably the only two we have that have a shout at getting in the Bayern side.
Mario Götze - Transfer Discussion | Bayern: Götze will cost €40m
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Is redcafe the new oracle for United Transfers.. After Darmian was going to say I wonder how long it will take for Gotze to be our next cafe driven target.
Pointless signing for us I'd have thought we already have top class players in his position. Although he is a great player himself it would be a waste of money in my personal opinion as Di Maria, Mata or Januzaj can all play in that position as well as Rooney or Fellaini.
No, it's just The Telegraph spewing out any rumor it hears to sell more papers...
Arsenal transfer news and rumours: 'Gunners and Man Utd battle for Mario Gotze after row with Bayern Munich'
Battle of the big guns: Arsenal and Man Utd reportedly want Mario Gotze
By Telegraph Sport
3:34PM BST 07 Jul 2015
Transfers: Latest news, rumours and gossip for Arsenal FC in 2015. Germany international is valued at £49.6 million by Bayern
Arsenal have joined Manchester United in the hunt for the Germany international Mario Gotze after his agent slammed Bayern Munich for their treatment of the player.
Gotze, who was strongly linked with Arsenal before joining Bayern, has yet to fully establish himself at the Bundesliga club, despite his obvious talent.
His agent, Volker Struth, has blasted Bayern and manager Pep Guardiola for their "poor treatment" of Gotze, saying "he needs more support".
And, according to The Daily Star, these shock comments have sparked fresh transfer talk, with the Gunners and United in a two-way battle for the German, who is apparently valued at £49.6 million.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...Mario-Gotze-after-row-with-Bayern-Munich.html
Not sure about Mata. Before Lewandowski arrived Rooney would have been first choice. Shaw as well if Alaba keeps playing in midfield. DdG is on par with Neuer. I could also see Herrera becoming a starter in their midfield.
If Memphis turns out to be as great as we all hope he could have been an option as Ribery replacement.
With regard to Götze: I always thought of him being a bit overrated. However, I had the same opinion of Neymar who showed his class last season so chances are that a transfer might give him a boost.
The reported figures for Götze must be a joke.
Agree there, but if Sterling is £40m, Götze must be £50m, in this crazy world it seems all youngsters are overpriced, and Götze is one of the best for his age to be fair.
Agree completely, Depay could play in his position as well. Jesus we are linked with some Bayern players this window.
We should be doing all we can to avoid Rooney or Fellaini acting as #10's and Di Maria and Mata will be used as wingers under LvG due to their glaring deficiencies, so I wouldn't really say we have a player that can do the job in the mold Gotze can, not that there is any truth in these stories.
surely we have enough pipe dream signings from Bayern already on the go!
There just isnt a spot for him, he would be a pointless luxury signing. we have mata.
I'd fully expect him to shine at a club without PEPs constant tactical experiments. He'd suit Wenger or LVG down to the ground. I doubt Bayern will want to give up on him for at least another year though.
Where did all our Bundesliga gurus go? And wasn't there one in particular who fawned over Gotze like he was the next best thing after German beer?
Sterling's value is higher than Götze's. Götze has stalled a bit while Sterling looks like a world-beater in the making. I think a lot of United fans have trouble acknowledging how big a talent Sterling actually is. 30 million for Götze would be reasonable.
I like this rumour, seems less outlandish than Müller. But no credible sources yet.
They aren't even getting in our side in certain games so I'd say not
Shaw is hardly playing for us on leftback whilst there is no competition here, there is at Bayern with Alaba who is 3 times better and Bernat who is also better because he is actually fit to to play.
DDG isn't on par with Neuer no way
Tbf Sterling is English and City are desperate for an english talent. No way City would pay £40m if Sterling was German. But i agree in an ideal world Gotze would be worth much more than Sterling.
Gotze is a great little player, his mistake was going to Bayern in the first place as he just wasn't ready.
What are you getting at?
He was very good in the first half of the season, roughly. He is a constant threat when allowed to maraud around the box, he is a sort of Mata and in my opinion nothing else, all the changes of position by Pep make Gotze looks worse than he is.
Btw just seen that he's played the highest amount of games in the bundesliga this season along with Muller. 4th highest in terms of minutes.
Because he is English? Gotze is way better and far more experienced than Sturridge.
What's Sturridge got to do with Sterling? I'm sure right now all the top clubs would pick Sterling over Gotze so it's not a price debate.
Typo.
I don't think that any club would take Sterling over Gotze. Gotze is twice the player Sterling is, and is far more experienced.
The only thing Sterling has on Gotze is that he's 2.5 years younger.
Twice the player? I think you've made another typo with Robben. He's more explosive, stronger and a better dribbler and he has an actual position.
What??
Because he's three years younger and on the rise while Götze's curve seems to have flattened, suggesting he's found his level. You're seriously underrating Sterling if you think Götze is twice the player. It's been a long time since Götze has played like Sterling did in 13-14. He's one of the five most promising U21 players in Europe, no question.
What does this matter? Sterling has had so far 1.5 good seasons, he was average in the second half of last season.
Gotze has played 92 games (and scored 30 goals) for Bayern in his last 2 seasons, competing with Ribery, Robben and Muller among others. He is a world cup winner. He is very experienced in Europe. He is a player that not long ago was being compared with Neymar and Hazard. Just because he couldn't immediately become Bayern's best player, doesn't make him inferior to Sterling who so far has done nothing.
He is 23, still plenty of time to develop.
Being 2.5 years younger doesn't make his price higher than Gotze's. Quality matters too and so far Gotze is superior in every aspect.
Well, to me it seems like you just won't admit that Liverpool have an extremely exciting players on their books (for now). If offered both at the same price, I'd take Sterling at this moment.
23 is too old for the CAF. Look at Luke Shaw, 19 years old and finished.
I think that he (Sterling) is very exciting and can become a world class player. I just don't get into this ridiculous hype that he is worth 50m (same thing for Kane) and he's already better/more expensive than Gotze considering that so far he is completely unproven and well, there are similar talentes all over the Europe.
When he starts playing (and scoring) regularly for one of the top European teams then we can make a debate of him vs Gotze.
Of course it matters, it's one of the main reasons we are stuck with Mata still trying to converse where to play him. He might have played 92 games but he hasn't played particularly well and for club and country he is a 60-70 minute substitute.
What does he actually bring to the table?
Are you serious? On what basis exactly? 7 goals in 34 pl games last season even playing a few games as a striker. What else has he proved in footballing world. Bolassie was much more influential than Sterling was last season. Sterling is not even worth more than 25mn.
Because the club has four attacking world class players on Ribery, Robben, Muller and Lewandovski (at least Robben and Muller are in top 10 players in the world) and Germany is the strongest football country in the world at the moment. Of course that he'll struggle to play every minute. The fact that he has played 92 matches for Bayern (and scored 30 goals), 116 matches for BVB (and scored 31 goals) and 45 matches for Germany (and scored 14 goals including a World Cup winner goal) by the age of 23 talks for itself. All these clubs/nation have been absolutely superior to Liverpool/England.
Gotze had a position for BVB. For Bayern, Pep is tinkering because he has to play all those world class (and near it) talents he has in disposition and is difficult to play Gotze in his best position always.
They'll be better informed about this topic and wanted to hear what they had to say about Gotze after yet another underwhelming season.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not keen. Not just for the fact he plays in a position where imo, we are fine but in all honesty I haven't yet seen what the hype is about. I haven't seen a great deal of him, but whenever I have I seem to be left wanting more from him.
Dount he'll leave anyway.
Dount he'll leave anyway.
I'm not an expert but all the moving around doesn't help him. Made the jump too early if you ask me. That said, it will help him in the long term, playing a lot and a coach like Pep. He's an amazing talent.
He won us the World Cup after 24 years of waiting. That's pretty much the next best thing after German beer. He can stall a bit now, no problem.
When played in his position he brings goal threat and creativity, and in the first half of the season he was in the middle of Bayern's attacks, he wasn't a sidekick.
Only a couple of years ago touted as bigger talent than Neymar, I think we can put that discussion to bed for now - looking more like Bojan redux atm
Feel for the player but only a bit since he dumped Dortmund for Bayern. If Pep can't do something with a midfielder, I'm inclined to believe it's something to do with the player
Feel for the player but only a bit since he dumped Dortmund for Bayern. If Pep can't do something with a midfielder, I'm inclined to believe it's something to do with the player