If you think Bruno and Rashford are the reason “in large part” as to why ETH failed, you’re absolutely without a clue.
Ten Hag got it wrong all over the pitch. Everytime we played without these two players, we looked no better, or even worse.
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If you think Bruno and Rashford are the reason “in large part” as to why ETH failed, you’re absolutely without a clue.
Ten Hag got it wrong all over the pitch. Everytime we played without these two players, we looked no better, or even worse.
I didn't watch the match but didn't he put in the cross for Casemiro's second goal?
Yup.
He did, but it doesn’t count as an assist, sadly, as Casemiro assisted himself via two posts.I didn't watch the match but didn't he put in the cross for Casemiro's second goal?
But rather than that he really did nothing - in this regard Garnacho and even Amad were much better wingers yesterday
I think he is going on an Owen/Rooney/Torresish decline - speed reliant players dropping in intensity and stamina in late 20s.
all of them start to decline at 27 years old (owen a bit earlier) with ~400-500 club games in hand.
(I can see mbappe being placed in the same category in the future too!)
We should try to find a buyer for him (PSG? Saudi?) or his value will just keep dropping
all of them start to decline at 27 years old (owen a bit earlier) with ~400-500 club games in hand.
(I can see mbappe being placed in the same category in the future too!)
We should try to find a buyer for him (PSG? Saudi?) or his value will just keep dropping
Which games were those?
I never understood why some on here think he’s better on the right. Yes, he can put in the occasional cross but he’s largely ineffective there - maybe someone has the stats from both wings to settle that debate?
He can’t use his pace and dribbling skills (or whatever’s left of them) to beat his man on the right because there’s no threat of him cutting in. Also, it’s like he doesn’t know how do position his body to receive the ball and move on the right. He looks extra clumsy and lost there - to the degree that Dalot ends up playing as RW while Rashford ends up as a right midfield playmaker type - which is a total waste of the talent he does showcase occasionally.
He can’t use his pace and dribbling skills (or whatever’s left of them) to beat his man on the right because there’s no threat of him cutting in. Also, it’s like he doesn’t know how do position his body to receive the ball and move on the right. He looks extra clumsy and lost there - to the degree that Dalot ends up playing as RW while Rashford ends up as a right midfield playmaker type - which is a total waste of the talent he does showcase occasionally.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. He has obviously lost some pace but his stamina seems awful too. More often than not you’ll see him with his hands on his knees struggling to catch his breath after one sprint within the first 20 minutes. I doubt he’s out of shape so maybe it’s just an early physical decline.
Oh really? So us being easy to break down had NOTHING to do with the system only because of Bruno and Rashford?
I remember games without Bruno / Rashford and we were still easy to break down? Maybe their soul was on the pitch at that time?
Again the hyperbole. He said they were major factors. The Marcus defence hysteria breaks out and you read that as him saying we were easy to break down "only because " of Rashford and Fernandes.
It's why this thread is impossible.
They're two key players who start the vast majority of games. One is extremely positionally ill-disciplined and often erratic with the ball, the other incredibly sloppy with possession and and is consistently running into dead end and defenders legs with an aversion to defensive duties. All of which are advantageous to opponents.
The fact acknowledging that is probably going to end up with two or three pages of accusations of "agenda" is ridiculous.
Its funny because you talk about this thread being impossible but you say Bruno and Rashford are the main reason we are easy to break down, when in fact most people who understand football will tell you, its the managers system.
Go have a look at who are the players who have scored the most and created the most chances / goals since Ten Hag has been in charge... then come to me and tell me about they are the main reason why it failed.
Some of the same posters moaning about Rashford in here are probably the same posters crying about how shite our team is right now after we "got rid of the deadwood" ... Yeah right, never happy ffs...
You think fans should be happy right now? Not sure why.
If your not optimistic that's a 'you' problem though.... might explain a lot too
Don't you know.. we have a negative goal difference because Rashford played? If the manager decided to not play Rashford, we would be challenging for the league because he was the main reason we were easy to break.
It had nothing to do with the system or coaching, it was because Marcus Rashford played.
In some people's heads, if we take Bruno and Rashford out, we will become world beaters
Being happy when we're 14th might explain a lot.
Or being happy with a player whose turned up for 3 month out of the last 3 years, also explains a lot.
Interesting that yet another manager decides to start Rashford (and Bruno) in a cup game....almost like they are both our strongest players or something....
What is it? That all the recent moaners are ETH stans and they are lashing out? The mans gone, we are in the Ruud honeymoon period, and a highly rated manager is set to come in.....
It's a YOU problem....
Those two together are the single most significant factor. EtH's system was nonsensical, and playing them both was begging for trouble. I clearly told you it was EtH's responsibility, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend different about Rashford and Bruno. The pair of them turn the ball over all the time. I've seen the argument that they're our best players, and it's sometimes true with Bruno, but that's a problem in itself.
I don't know how anyone can watch Rashford and not see how many terrible games he has. Bruno is a different story in that he always gives what he's got.
If they are the single most significant factor, if Amorin comes in and plays Bruno or Rashford or even both, he is going to fail in your opinion?
I have little doubt that Amorim will do his outmost to get the best out of Rashford and Bruno
Yet all our managers have done poorly and not had much of a career after they left us.
Is it just me or does he look like he is trying to change his game. He is playing really differently to Rashford of old. Less direct and more keeping it simple.. He used to be more like how Garnacho is playing now. Is that a confidence thing, lost pace or is it intentional? I get that when you get sht you dont do things like you used to but he's not even trying. He looks like he's intentionally playing differently.
That just tells you we ruin careers. They all had decent careers before joining us.
Let me put it this way If both of them are still regulars come season of 2026-27 , United would be closer to sacking Amorim than to any meaningful title challenge .
If those managers all did well it'd be a valid point.
Definitely there is a balance problem with our front four. They all have the same weakness. All of them sloppy in possession. Be it decison making, touch, weight of pass.
Even last night you could see it.
At least one of them has to be dropped for someone who looks after the ball and I think either Rashford or Garnacho.
I would keep Garnacho in, even though he's frustrating at times. He could be on the verge of really exploding in the right system, and even though it's not obviously his skill set, I'm sure he could be good as one of Amorim's inside forwards.
This definitely isn't true of Amad.
Yeah Rangnick ended up in the scrap heap, Jose didn't win much after us, neither in fact did Moyes.....oh wait.
Well it is a valid point, considering we have actually won trophies recently but I get people need scapegoats in this place, it's fine.
First we were told it was Ronaldo, then Maguire, then McTominay that were the issue, now we have moved on to Bruno and Rashford. The cycle repeats.
I think Rashford will be moved on in the summer regardless of his form personally.
That's a good shout. It's crazy though how a few years ago he was this speedy winger with a great right foot, and we all thought he could be the next big thing if only he could work on his decision making and heading. He's gone the other way - no improvement on decision making (arguably worse than ever) and just zero threat in the air. Now with his speed going it's looking bad
Would be shocked if that happens. Unless he wants to move.
Why? Rumours this summer is the club hierarchy spoke to him and this would be the season he needs to show up else he would be moved on.
Berrada also has apparently set a 2 year performance cycle for players, you don't perform in 2 years you are out
In his last season he did score a lot of headed goals. Felt like it was the beginning of something great.
I mean even in the past year his actions have been questionable. The missing training, going to Ireland, poor performances, topped off with radio silence about the exit of Ten Hag.
It's the PR all the time too when things aren't going well. Suddenly articles start popping up, shit starts going round on socials and such.
Trust me, Rashford and his PR team are a dangerous bunch that currently only Southgate has been able to see through.
It's the PR all the time too when things aren't going well. Suddenly articles start popping up, shit starts going round on socials and such.
Trust me, Rashford and his PR team are a dangerous bunch that currently only Southgate has been able to see through.
I think the argument, rightly or wrongly, is that EtH looked at the squad and saw it was suited to the approach Ole used and thought, ok I will make the best of this and we'll be "the best transition team in the world". I mean, those first two games in charge where you had De Gea making mistakes, the team being uncomfortable in possession, etc. I think EtH pretty quickly said I can't do this. He then reverted to Ole ball in the following two matches against Liverpool and Arsenal and won, where coincidentally both Rashford and Bruno had fantastic games. He then built on that.
I'm critical of EtH as i actually wanted him to move to a more possession based style of football but when two of your star players excel at a certain type of football there might be an argument that he felt pressured into making it work or changing his approach. You also have the "United DNA" and "we can't play the way Ajax play" quotes.
Yeah 22-23 definitely felt like we were in the process of getting our next United great. what a shame
True. I'm talking about the front four who generally start. Garnacho, Bruno, Rashford and Hojlund. They're just scruffy on the ball. Adding Bruno to the list feels harsh but his form at the moment puts him in that category.
I don’t think you can have your front four being in various way careless with the ball. That mix is all wrong.
Amad would possibly be a guy to balance it out. If he can get involved enough.
I'm personally not talking about scapegoats or blaming individuals for results.
But saying a player is picked so therefore must be good isn't the best of logic when all those managers objectively failed. ETH finished 8th and currently has us 14th. With respect, who he selects isn't some footballing bible we have to pay attention to.
We're also talking about the here and now. Rashford getting picked by LvG and Mourinho years ago doesn't somehow justify him starting now. He's a different player now.