[TempusFugit]

Look at it this way. It's been about 2 months iirc since Rashford last played a single minute for us. Yet he trains every day and is usually at games, in the crowd because he's not even part of the squad. That's about 2 months of him at least showing up to training while having no hope whatsoever of playing a single minute or even getting in the squad. He was sat on the bench watching us get battered by Newcastle at Old Trafford. He looked miserable tbh.
Now in these 2 months of almost constant criticism by Amorim, are we supposed to believe that not once has he trained up to the expected standard?

I find that hard to believe because Højlund must be prime Ibrahimovic in training but that's not what we see on the pitch. Either way this saga is dragging on for too long, and Amorim is actually dropping Rashford's market value with comments like that. I'd be very interested in seeing what the club does if we they can't send him out before the window closes, 6 months or more of exclusion from the team? Will they try to still sell him after that? The whole situation is a mess.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Look at it this way. It's been about 2 months iirc since Rashford last played a single minute for us. Yet he trains every day and is usually at games, in the crowd because he's not even part of the squad. That's about 2 months of him at least showing up to training while having no hope whatsoever of playing a single minute or even getting in the squad. He was sat on the bench watching us get battered by Newcastle at Old Trafford. He looked miserable tbh.
Now in these 2 months of almost constant criticism by Amorim, are we supposed to believe that not once has he trained up to the expected standard?

I find that hard to believe because Højlund must be prime Ibrahimovic in training but that's not what we see on the pitch. Either way this saga is dragging on for too long, and Amorim is actually dropping Rashford's market value with comments like that. I'd be very interested in seeing what the club does if we they can't send him out before the window closes, 6 months or more of exclusion from the team? Will they try to still sell him after that? The whole situation is a mess.

It's not about being prime Ibrahimovic in training though. It's simply about putting in the effort, which clearly Rashford isn't doing.

Nobody is arguing Hojlund or Zirkzee have been good, they've both been awful, but at least they work hard and give it 100%

We've all seen countless examples of Rashford walking around the pitch, ducking out of 50/50 challenges and just generally being lazy. It's not hard to imagine he's being lazy in training either.

 

[CG1010]

Now in these 2 months of almost constant criticism by Amorim, are we supposed to believe that not once has he trained up to the expected standard?

Yes totally, for a player who has been jogging along the entire match for several seasons now. Especially right now when he seems to be more interested in looking for a new club. Maybe after the window, both manager and player would sit down and have a conversation on the possible way forward.

 

[TempusFugit]

It's not about being prime Ibrahimovic in training though. It's simply about putting in the effort, which clearly Rashford isn't doing.

Nobody is arguing Hojlund or Zirkzee have been good, they've both been awful, but at least they work hard and give it 100%

We've all seen countless examples of Rashford walking around the pitch, ducking out of 50/50 challenges and just generally being lazy. It's not hard to imagine he's being lazy in training either.

Well if a player like Højlund train so well and actually put in effort to start games, i'd hate to see what it's like when they don't. Surely at this point in time it would make sense to at least give Rashford some time on the pitch to prove himself? How else will he show that he's finally ready to work hard for the team? Before you say he could show it in training, Amorim has been quoted as saying that Rashford was training well. He also said that he didn't have any disciplinary issues with Rashford.

I don't see what constantly excluding him achieves except stroking Amorim's ego....especially when you actually watch us and realize that we're constantly starting barely midtable quality forwards. He doesn't stop with the constant criticism to the media as well even if they ask him about it. What happened to intelligently deflecting? He's just fueling the fire at this point with these quite frankly awful quotes, wasn't he the one who said that he'd lose his job before throwing any of his players under the bus? Well i guess that doesn't apply to Rashford. If Amorim had a point to make with his decision to exclude him, I'm sure Rashford has gotten it loud and clear at this point.

Yes totally, for a player who has been jogging along the entire match for several seasons now. Especially right now when he seems to be more interested in looking for a new club. Maybe after the window, both manager and player would sit down and have a conversation on the possible way forward.

You do twist things quite well. Did Rashford just wake up one morning and decide that he wanted to leave? Rashford has been the subject of interest of foreign clubs before. Why didn't he say he was open to leaving back then? The only thing that changed this time around is that the club has made it clear to him that they want him out asap. It was brief after brief on Rashford just a few weeks ago. The interview he gave was probably a bad idea but apparently the club did know about it beforehand. I don't think he said anything inflammatory in it, just acknowledged that he's on his way out.

Your first point is something that can easily be fixed, especially when he has indeed worked hard in certain games. We would certainly be better off getting Rashford to work hard rather than hoping that the forwards at this club suddenly develop top level quality. We are in this mess both financially and in terms of on the pitch performance because we paid top dollar for a string of very expensive flops.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Well if a player like Højlund train so well and actually put in effort to start games, i'd hate to see what it's like when they don't. Surely at this point in time it would make sense to at least give Rashford some time on the pitch to prove himself? How else will he show that he's finally ready to work hard for the team? Before you say he could show it in training, Amorim has been quoted as saying that Rashford was training well. He also said that he didn't have any disciplinary issues with Rashford.

I don't see what constantly excluding him achieves except stroking Amorim's ego....especially when you actually watch us and realize that we're constantly starting barely midtable quality forwards. He doesn't stop with the constant criticism to the media as well even if they ask him about it. What happened to intelligently deflecting? He's just fueling the fire at this point with these quite frankly awful quotes, wasn't he the one who said that he'd lose his job before throwing any of his players under the bus? Well i guess that doesn't apply to Rashford. If Amorim had a point to make with his decision to exclude him, I'm sure Rashford has gotten it loud and clear at this point.


You do twist things quite well. Did Rashford just wake up one morning and decide that he wanted to leave? Rashford has been the subject of interest of foreign clubs before. Why didn't he say he was open to leaving back then? The only thing that changed this time around is that the club has made it clear to him that they want him out asap. It was brief after brief on Rashford just a few weeks ago. The interview he gave was probably a bad idea but apparently the club did know about it beforehand. I don't think he said anything inflammatory in it, just acknowledged that he's on his way out.

Your first point is something that can easily be fixed, especially when he has indeed worked hard in certain games. We would certainly be better off getting Rashford to work hard rather than hoping that the forwards at this club suddenly develop top level quality. We are in this mess both financially and in terms of on the pitch performance because we paid top dollar for a string of very expensive flops.

You don't seem to understand the difference between playing well and giving 100%. Amorim yesterday said Rashford wasn't training well. The fact he hasn't played a minute of football for about 6 weeks suggests he's not happy with him.

How can getting Rashford to work hard be easily fixed? How many managers have tried it and failed? How many wake up calls has he had that he's ignored. He's gone from being the main man for Utd and a big player for England to not playing for either of them.

Playing someone who clearly has checked out, strolling around the pitch sends a terrible message. Amorim is completely right to want Rashford out.

 

[CG1010]

You do twist things quite well. Did Rashford just wake up one morning and decide that he wanted to leave? Rashford has been the subject of interest of foreign clubs before. Why didn't he say he was open to leaving back then? The only thing that changed this time around is that the club has made it clear to him that they want him out asap. It was brief after brief on Rashford just a few weeks ago. The interview he gave was probably a bad idea but apparently the club did know about it beforehand. I don't think he said anything inflammatory in it, just acknowledged that he's on his way out.

Your first point is something that can easily be fixed, especially when he has indeed worked hard in certain games. We would certainly be better off getting Rashford to work hard rather than hoping that the forwards at this club suddenly develop top level quality. We are in this mess both financially and in terms of on the pitch performance because we paid top dollar for a string of very expensive flops.

You read rather quite poorly and as a result went on a fantastic rant irrelevant to what I said. You said, "are we supposed to believe he is training poorly all this while" and I said yes, especially he is more focussed on finding a new club. Did I say it was him who started looking out on his own without any push by the club? But in response to your rant, yes as you said the interview was a terrible idea, he could have responded by a brief on his own.

And we would be better off "getting Rashford to work hard" and its easy to fix? Is there a magic pill you have, and if so, let's get you to carrington asap! Rashford has done well in certain games but I don't remember many games where he could have been said to be working hard.

 

[afrocentricity]

Well if a player like Højlund train so well and actually put in effort to start games, i'd hate to see what it's like when they don't. Surely at this point in time it would make sense to at least give Rashford some time on the pitch to prove himself? How else will he show that he's finally ready to work hard for the team? Before you say he could show it in training, Amorim has been quoted as saying that Rashford was training well. He also said that he didn't have any disciplinary issues with Rashford.

I don't see what constantly excluding him achieves except stroking Amorim's ego....especially when you actually watch us and realize that we're constantly starting barely midtable quality forwards. He doesn't stop with the constant criticism to the media as well even if they ask him about it. What happened to intelligently deflecting? He's just fueling the fire at this point with these quite frankly awful quotes, wasn't he the one who said that he'd lose his job before throwing any of his players under the bus? Well i guess that doesn't apply to Rashford. If Amorim had a point to make with his decision to exclude him, I'm sure Rashford has gotten it loud and clear at this point.


You do twist things quite well. Did Rashford just wake up one morning and decide that he wanted to leave? Rashford has been the subject of interest of foreign clubs before. Why didn't he say he was open to leaving back then? The only thing that changed this time around is that the club has made it clear to him that they want him out asap. It was brief after brief on Rashford just a few weeks ago. The interview he gave was probably a bad idea but apparently the club did know about it beforehand. I don't think he said anything inflammatory in it, just acknowledged that he's on his way out.

Your first point is something that can easily be fixed, especially when he has indeed worked hard in certain games. We would certainly be better off getting Rashford to work hard rather than hoping that the forwards at this club suddenly develop top level quality. We are in this mess both financially and in terms of on the pitch performance because we paid top dollar for a string of very expensive flops.

It's such a mess and there's a lack of info. Is he training well etc? Is he not? Contradictions and plenty of statements that don't add up, from both. I'm back where I was with the Sancho situ. Kill the noise, find a resolution behind closed doors asap, move forward one definitive way or the other..... it's dragged on way too long.

 

[Escobar]

Yes totally, for a player who has been jogging along the entire match for several seasons now. Especially right now when he seems to be more interested in looking for a new club. Maybe after the window, both manager and player would sit down and have a conversation on the possible way forward.

There is only one way forward, RA was super clear about that.

 

[Escobar]

It's such a mess and there's a lack of info. Is he training well etc? Is he not? Contradictions and plenty of statements that don't add up, from both. I'm back where I was with the Sancho situ. Kill the noise, find a resolution behind closed doors asap, move forward one definitive way or the other..... it's dragged on way too long.

You mean with Rashford? There is no one bidding here, that is the main problem. Hence it drags on forever. As if a top club is going to touch him on that salary and that ego

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

Wondering just how bad it is in training for these comments to be made.

I was thinking the same.

We've all seen how much "effort" he applies in matches so I can only guess he is even worse in private training sessions

 

[Sky1981]

Look at it this way. It's been about 2 months iirc since Rashford last played a single minute for us. Yet he trains every day and is usually at games, in the crowd because he's not even part of the squad. That's about 2 months of him at least showing up to training while having no hope whatsoever of playing a single minute or even getting in the squad. He was sat on the bench watching us get battered by Newcastle at Old Trafford. He looked miserable tbh.
Now in these 2 months of almost constant criticism by Amorim, are we supposed to believe that not once has he trained up to the expected standard?

I find that hard to believe because Højlund must be prime Ibrahimovic in training but that's not what we see on the pitch. Either way this saga is dragging on for too long, and Amorim is actually dropping Rashford's market value with comments like that. I'd be very interested in seeing what the club does if we they can't send him out before the window closes, 6 months or more of exclusion from the team? Will they try to still sell him after that? The whole situation is a mess.

I dont care how hard he trains. He can skip training all he likes. I just want to see a guy who's supposed to be the face of Manchester, earning 300k per week to give 100% on the field. That's all. Not jog around and even letting people dribble him by without even pretending to care.

I support United and I've had enough of him stinking out the place with his attitude and lack of commitment.

If he cant even bother to do the basic minimum, why should we entertain him any further? When is enough is enough for you? Giving him another 2 months? 2 games? 2 years? Try him out in so many other positions to see if anything works? At the expense of United?

Feck him. He made his bed let him lie in it

 

[TempusFugit]

You don't seem to understand the difference between playing well and giving 100%. Amorim yesterday said Rashford wasn't training well. The fact he hasn't played a minute of football for about 6 weeks suggests he's not happy with him.

How can getting Rashford to work hard be easily fixed? How many managers have tried it and failed? How many wake up calls has he had that he's ignored. He's gone from being the main man for Utd and a big player for England to not playing for either of them.

Playing someone who clearly has checked out, strolling around the pitch sends a terrible message. Amorim is completely right to want Rashford out.

Amorim didn't say that Rashford wasn't training well yesterday. That's a lie. In fact there's a direct quote from him from a few weeks ago saying that Rashford was training well. He hasn't suddenly turned into the worst trainer in the squad. I don't think he has checked out either, far from it.

You read rather quite poorly and as a result went on a fantastic rant irrelevant to what I said. You said, "are we supposed to believe he is training poorly all this while" and I said yes, especially he is more focussed on finding a new club. Did I say it was him who started looking out on his own without any push by the club? But in response to your rant, yes as you said the interview was a terrible idea, he could have responded by a brief on his own.

And we would be better off "getting Rashford to work hard" and its easy to fix? Is there a magic pill you have, and if so, let's get you to carrington asap! Rashford has done well in certain games but I don't remember many games where he could have been said to be working hard.

You say that, but how do you know for sure that he isn't training well? There have been reports that he's taking extra sessions in a bid to be ready for when Amorim calls on him. Does that sound like a player who's very focused on finding a new club or desperate to leave?
Amorim's trying to fix it. Constantly calling him out in the media, excluding him from the squad. Is it working though? We'll never probably never know as the manager is determined not to give him a second chance.

 

[CG1010]

Amorim didn't say that Rashford wasn't training well yesterday. That's a lie. In fact there's a direct quote from him from a few weeks ago saying that Rashford was training well. He hasn't suddenly turned into the worst trainer in the squad. I don't think he has checked out either, far from it.

You say that, but how do you know for sure that he isn't training well? There have been reports that he's taking extra sessions in a bid to be ready for when Amorim calls on him. Does that sound like a player who's very focused on finding a new club or desperate to leave?
Amorim's trying to fix it. Constantly calling him out in the media, excluding him from the squad. Is it working though? We'll never probably never know as the manager is determined not to give him a second chance.

The manager has implied he wasn’t giving his 100%, so what else could he mean? None of us know how he is on training but its never been hard to believe he is being lazy in training because why would he work hard in training and then be lazy in actual games!

 

[humdinger]

It’s not just training though is it? It’s also attitude and having the right mentality. Which is probably humility and willing to work hard for your team mates and showing some grit. There’s a reason Rashford is being shoved out the door whilst Garnacho is back playing.

 

[Todd]

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Amorim didn't say that Rashford wasn't training well yesterday. That's a lie. In fact there's a direct quote from him from a few weeks ago saying that Rashford was training well. He hasn't suddenly turned into the worst trainer in the squad. I don't think he has checked out either, far from it.

You say that, but how do you know for sure that he isn't training well? There have been reports that he's taking extra sessions in a bid to be ready for when Amorim calls on him. Does that sound like a player who's very focused on finding a new club or desperate to leave?
Amorim's trying to fix it. Constantly calling him out in the media, excluding him from the squad. Is it working though? We'll never probably never know as the manager is determined not to give him a second chance.

What on earth are you talking about?

He was directly asked about Rashford playing yesterday and said he'd rather play the 63 year old goalkeeper coach than a player who doesn't give the maximum. You don't think that's Amorim criticising Rashford's attitude?

You have to be related to Rashford or one of his PR team.

 

[NewGlory]

The metldown from Team Rashford (I don't mean on this forum, in general) over them thinking we had prime Ronaldo that was misunderstood but pretty much nobody wanting or able to take him even for a loan, even with a huge discount...

"“If you back me, good. If you doubt me, even better" – Uh, huh. A lesson for every talented person that you are only as good as your work discipline and recent performance.

 

[TempusFugit]

What on earth are you talking about?

He was directly asked about Rashford playing yesterday and said he'd rather play the 63 year old goalkeeper coach than a player who doesn't give the maximum. You don't think that's Amorim criticising Rashford's attitude?

You have to be related to Rashford or one of his PR team.

Can you just link or post a quote of him saying Rashford wasn't training well yesterday? It doesn't exist. How is criticising his attitude related to you claiming he said Rashford wasn't training well? For all we know Rashford could be crushing everyone in training and still not seeing the pitch because Amorim doesn't want him to. You said i didn't understand the difference between playing well and giving 100%, it's looking like you don't know the difference between an actual quote and your own interpretations. Spare me the PR accusations please , that's ridiculous.

The manager has implied he wasn’t giving his 100%, so what else could he mean? None of us know how he is on training but its never been hard to believe he is being lazy in training because why would he work hard in training and then be lazy in actual games!

Amorim has been directly quoted as saying Rashford was training well. He said it around the time he was dropped along with Garnacho. So which one is it? Amorim has been giving some contradictory responses over the course of this whole saga.

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

I agree. I don't think Rashford will play for the club again after Amorim's comments last night.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Can you just link or post a quote of him saying Rashford wasn't training well yesterday? It doesn't exist. How is criticising his attitude related to you claiming he said Rashford wasn't training well? For all we know Rashford could be crushing everyone in training and still not seeing the pitch because Amorim doesn't want him to. You said i didn't understand the difference between playing well and giving 100%, it's looking like you don't know the difference between an actual quote and your own interpretations. Spare me the PR accusations please , that's ridiculous.

Yes I'm sure that's the reason.

Rashford is "crushing everyone in training" and Amorim has decided to drop him for 11 games for no reason.

I'm guessing you don't think Rashford has been lazy on the pitch in the last couple of seasons?

 

[pocco]

Christ I actually can’t believe there’s people defending Rashford. Have people not been watching him phone it in for most of the last 4 years or so? According to one journalist, every manager has had issues with him, he plays like shit on top of being lazy, he’s extremely highly paid, his PR is an embarrassment. To top it all off, he’s a local lad who should be setting an example for anyone that arrives here. There’s absolutely nothing likeable about the guy. And from what I hear he’s an absolute cnut in person too.

 

[clarkydaz]

delighted this fraud is having the curtain pulled back on him, one of the biggest pisstakers the club has seen

 

[pocco]

Well if a player like Højlund train so well and actually put in effort to start games, i'd hate to see what it's like when they don't. Surely at this point in time it would make sense to at least give Rashford some time on the pitch to prove himself? How else will he show that he's finally ready to work hard for the team? Before you say he could show it in training, Amorim has been quoted as saying that Rashford was training well. He also said that he didn't have any disciplinary issues with Rashford.

I don't see what constantly excluding him achieves except stroking Amorim's ego....especially when you actually watch us and realize that we're constantly starting barely midtable quality forwards. He doesn't stop with the constant criticism to the media as well even if they ask him about it. What happened to intelligently deflecting? He's just fueling the fire at this point with these quite frankly awful quotes, wasn't he the one who said that he'd lose his job before throwing any of his players under the bus? Well i guess that doesn't apply to Rashford. If Amorim had a point to make with his decision to exclude him, I'm sure Rashford has gotten it loud and clear at this point.


You do twist things quite well. Did Rashford just wake up one morning and decide that he wanted to leave? Rashford has been the subject of interest of foreign clubs before. Why didn't he say he was open to leaving back then? The only thing that changed this time around is that the club has made it clear to him that they want him out asap. It was brief after brief on Rashford just a few weeks ago. The interview he gave was probably a bad idea but apparently the club did know about it beforehand. I don't think he said anything inflammatory in it, just acknowledged that he's on his way out.

Your first point is something that can easily be fixed, especially when he has indeed worked hard in certain games. We would certainly be better off getting Rashford to work hard rather than hoping that the forwards at this club suddenly develop top level quality. We are in this mess both financially and in terms of on the pitch performance because we paid top dollar for a string of very expensive flops.

His agent was talking to PSG at one point, before we stupidly offered him a bumper new deal.

 

[TempusFugit]

Yes I'm sure that's the reason.

Rashford is "crushing everyone in training" and Amorim has decided to drop him for 11 games for no reason.

I'm guessing you don't think Rashford has been lazy on the pitch in the last couple of seasons?

I don't think you understood my post. Do you know what "for all we know" means? I didn't state it as a fact. Well i understand that you're just trying to deflect after i called you out on you making things up so that's fine.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I don't think you understood my post. Do you know what "for all we know" means? I didn't state it as a fact. Well i understand that you're just trying to deflect after i called you out on you making things up so that's fine.

Because it's clearly a totally bollocks scenario. Clearly Rashford isn't crushing everyone in training, so it's stupid for you to even suggest it. You're just blindly defending Rashford, a player that anyone with eyes can see has been lazy on the pitch and unprofessional off it.

So come on then why do you think Rashford has been dropped for the last 11 games? You don't seem to think it's because he's been lazy in training so what is it?

 

[united for life]

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

Amorim is saying what we all know by now. Marcus is lazy, he doesn’t put the effort needed and seems to have lost interest. It’s sad he has5 moved on yet

 

[Chesterlestreet]

But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

I ran into Nostradamus the other day, he said probably not.

 

[Dannn411]

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

Not happening bud. Rashford is finished as a top level footballer.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Amorim's problem with Rashford is - obviously - that he isn't applying himself, isn't giving 100%, isn't acting like a professional.

I mean - could it be any more obvious?

We know about Belfast, we know what Mitten had to say about him with regard to previous managers - this isn't some kind of weird "agenda" against Rashford. It's just the sad fact that he's way below standard as a professional.

 

[lolok]

Look at it this way. It's been about 2 months iirc since Rashford last played a single minute for us. Yet he trains every day and is usually at games, in the crowd because he's not even part of the squad. That's about 2 months of him at least showing up to training while having no hope whatsoever of playing a single minute or even getting in the squad. He was sat on the bench watching us get battered by Newcastle at Old Trafford. He looked miserable tbh.
Now in these 2 months of almost constant criticism by Amorim, are we supposed to believe that not once has he trained up to the expected standard?

I find that hard to believe because Højlund must be prime Ibrahimovic in training but that's not what we see on the pitch. Either way this saga is dragging on for too long, and Amorim is actually dropping Rashford's market value with comments like that. I'd be very interested in seeing what the club does if we they can't send him out before the window closes, 6 months or more of exclusion from the team? Will they try to still sell him after that? The whole situation is a mess.

Rashford had the opportunity to buckle down and become a team player, but what did he do? He said he was ready for a new challenge. HE QUIT ON THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

He had the chance to get back into RA's good graces, but he burned all bridges by giving up and saying he wanted a new challenge. He is so thick and delusional that he thought he would have no problem going to another club. Oops.

I do not want a quitter on the team. I don't want some arrogant lazy player on the team who is a clubhouse cancer that affects everyone else. He could have told RA, you know what, you are right, I'm going to bust my behind in training and work myself back into the team. What did he do? He said he was ready for a new challenge.

He is done barring a minor miracle. If SAF was manager-- I could tell you 100% that he is done and he would be training by himself until sold/loaned and his locker would be given to some youth player.

Yeah-- he's been at training--- to avoid getting fined. So what? Every manager has had a problem with his attitude. That is the problem that will not be fixed.

You start a business, you hire someone with an attitude problem and watch as they infect all of your employees. You will be having none of it. Rashford is entitled and thought he could get away with it, but he just found out the hard way that RA is not a pushover.

L.o.l at you thinking RA's comments are dropping his market value. Like other clubs don't know he has an attitude issue and is on high wages. Like there were so many clubs that were trying to sign him before RA's latest comments. l.o.l.

Your thinking is what Rashford was thinking--- he was thinking he is better than other players, so RA will get him back in the lineup. Nope-- RA would rather start Hojlund than allow that cancer anywhere near the team again. That is great news-- we finally have a manager who has a pair of balls and is trying to change the culture of laziness and entitlement. This is why the other players respect RA, bc he isn't putting up with Rashford's antics.

 

[48 hours]

I ran into Nostradamus the other day, he said probably not.

He should have seen that coming

 

[dubplate warrior]

Look at it this way. It's been about 2 months iirc since Rashford last played a single minute for us. Yet he trains every day and is usually at games, in the crowd because he's not even part of the squad. That's about 2 months of him at least showing up to training while having no hope whatsoever of playing a single minute or even getting in the squad. He was sat on the bench watching us get battered by Newcastle at Old Trafford. He looked miserable tbh.
Now in these 2 months of almost constant criticism by Amorim, are we supposed to believe that not once has he trained up to the expected standard?

I find that hard to believe because Højlund must be prime Ibrahimovic in training but that's not what we see on the pitch. Either way this saga is dragging on for too long, and Amorim is actually dropping Rashford's market value with comments like that. I'd be very interested in seeing what the club does if we they can't send him out before the window closes, 6 months or more of exclusion from the team? Will they try to still sell him after that? The whole situation is a mess.

Being good and training hard are two different things mate.

 

[Stig]

One of the biggest footballing wasters in history. Unbelievable what he has become - just to think of it, his boyhood team is in a shitty situation, a new talented manager comes in to improve and he still can't be arsed to train decently whilst collecting a huge paycheck. This is so poor he should be kicked out

I remember an interview with Rashford when he was at his goal scoring best and the reporter said something like, " And I suppose you are banging them in like that at training." and he said basically " No. I'm actually always rubbish at training." So perhaps he's not being deliberately awkward and not trying at training, it's just how he is - and he's now annoyed that Amorim has called him out on it.

But, he also didn't seem to be trying when he was playing - so I don't know what is going on.

 

[Sandikan]

It's just the worst of all situations at the moment.
We've got a valuable asset on insane money not even filling a place on the bench.

Just a waste of everyone's time and we only have a few days to find him somewhere to ship out to, or he'll just be hanging about in the stands and stinking the training ground up for months.

 

[Stig]

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

Good sensible post. Now; get yourself down to Carrington and sort the pair of them out.

 

[andersj]

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

Maybe a combination of less impressiv effort subsequently and that he just got more information from the club (including team mates)?

I struggle to believe that Amorim dont have support from the rest of the group of players.

 

[AR87]

Just go back and watch Rashford's last appearance before being dropped from the squad. Being bad is one thing, and God knows he's not alone in dropping a poor performance in this squad, but routinely giving up and showing zero willingness to work or graft is what's truly unacceptable.

He's been indulged in these behaviors for far too long and that's as much the club's fault as his own. Addressing it head on, especially at the start of Amorim's time at the helm is not just prudent, it's necessary as is the board backing the manager in this instance, especially since the other player who was dropped and also been floated in transfer rumors has apparently shown the necessary attitude and work ethic in training not just to be in the squad but also start 3 matches in a row.

 

[Waynne]

He doesn't give a feck on 300K per week.

Checked out on him as a player when he let Ross Barkley just walk by him (with minimal effort to press) in our win over Luton some time ago.

Surprised there's people still hoping he'll turn into a world beater. You can't do that if you can't do the bare minimum which is to run. Only thing Rashford would run for is courtside Knicks tickets

 

[Ish]

Still some defending Rashford in here after years of minimal effort

 

[clarkydaz]

Amorim hasn't handled this situation well at all, and to be honest it's a pretty bad look for him.

It's very rare that throwing a player under the bus publicly is the right move, and this certainly doesn't seem to be one of those rare instances. One week Amorim is saying that Rashford is training well, the next he's saying he'd pick a senior citizen ahead of him. What happened, did Rashford just decide to stop running from one week to the next?

None of us know the full story and it's safe to say that neither of these guys are either all the way in the right or all the way in the wrong. But, at this point I honestly hope that if and when Rashford leaves, he turns into an absolute world beater for his new club.

sorry when was this? Unless you mean dropped for the city game which was like 6 weeks ago. The manager has said been shite ever since

 

[SuperiorXI]

It's just the worst of all situations at the moment.
We've got a valuable asset on insane money not even filling a place on the bench.

Just a waste of everyone's time and we only have a few days to find him somewhere to ship out to, or he'll just be hanging about in the stands and stinking the training ground up for months.

Can the club not keep him out of first team training and away from games? Surely that is an option. If I was the manager I wouldn't want anyone near the squad who I wanted out.