Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement

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Sarni said:
If we don't rate him highly then I'm a bit confused as to why we are even interested in the first place. We need good midfielders, not just any midfielder that may be available for a bargain price. Buying even more inadequate players is going to just add layers to our existing issues.
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We rate him, just not at 60m eur.

He might be worth 60m eur one day, maybe in a season or two. But he's not worth that now and he is in the shop window at PSG.

They need to sell him and he's very keen on the Premier League. It would be silly to throw the asking price at a player in this situation.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Ah yes, the Antony school of negotiations. Do we really want someone who would do that to push a move? Because he could easily do it to us someday.
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I think that's different to having players run down their contracts. PSG don't have him in his plans other than as backup/rotation and are being unreasonable on fees. He would have every right to push for a move.
 
I think something like €8m loan fee, with obligation to buy at €42m is fair for all parties.

With Athletico’s interest in Gallagher, I wonder if they’ll turn their attention to him now we’ve distanced ourselves, seems like the perfect Simeone player.
 
I imagine if the Sancho speculation has any legs, then this will happen. It just makes too much sense not to.
 
don't blame the club if they aren't willing to pay the 60m asked by PSG in essence for us to fund their Neves move
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I imagine if the Sancho speculation has any legs, then this will happen. It just makes too much sense not to.
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You would think we would offer Sancho plus £10mil (valuing Sancho at £40mil). So total price £50mil / €60mil. That would get to their asking price for Ugarte and we get Sancho plus his collosal wages off our books.
 
dinostar77 said:
You would think we would offer Sancho plus £10mil (valuing Sancho at £40mil). So total price £50mil / €60mil. That would get to their asking price for Ugarte and we get Sancho plus his collosal wages off our books.
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Would be well worth a go.
 
They won't ask the same fee from Liverpool, so could work in our favor, depending on how much the player prefers United.
 
VP89 said:
Caceido was an overspend as was Lavia. Ugarte had an underwhelming season at PSG (unlike your named players who shone there). He's also very much in the shop window, also unlike your named players.

He's not remotely worth 60m eur.
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VP89 said:
50m EUR for a high quality 23 year old DM is quite good value to be fair.
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So it's good value at 50m euros but he isn't remotely worth 60m euros. Do explain that logic to me?

This is the issue with those of you who just try to preemptively put a positive spin on whatever the clubs rumoured latest position is.

If he's good enough to start for us as a high quality signing then he's obviously worth 50 million GBP. Whether we can get him for less and should push to do so is a different matter.
 
Smores said:
So it's good value at 50m euros but he isn't remotely worth 60m euros. Do explain that logic to me?

This is the issue with those of you who just try to preemptively put a positive spin on whatever the clubs rumoured latest position is.

If he's good enough to start for us as a high quality signing then he's obviously worth 50 million GBP. Whether we can get him for less and should push to do so is a different matter.
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Don't think it's good value. 50m eur may have been our absolute ceiling, if what you're posting is correct. A line is drawn somewhere, this isn't rocket science.
 
Is it just me or does this sound a lot like it’s describing Fred? :nervous:

From the Athletic
  • Ugarte likes to hunt. He’s a defensive midfielder who wins the ball back from the opposition (see his high score for ball recoveries and interceptions). The Uruguay international is a proactive, aggressive tackler and would give United the counter-pressing intensity lost last season when Casemiro was injured.
  • He has the stamina, aggression, and application to get up and down the pitch and disrupt opposition moves; however, his magnetism to the ball means he can get pulled out of position when defending closer to his own goal.
  • Ugarte gets a nosebleed once he enters the final third. He’s not a good or consistent shooter of the ball.
  • He can be inconsistent when defending in the air. While Ugarte often leaps and contests for goal kicks and long balls, he’s not the one you look to dominate the initial aerial duels. He instead prefers to attempt to regain the second ball.
  • He’s a conservative passer who prefers to retain possession than try to make something happen.
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Plant0x84 said:
Is it just me or does this sound a lot like it’s describing Fred? :nervous:

From the Athletic
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Fred couldn't retain the ball at all, at least Ugarte can keep it. We know he can win it and if he can retain it well then it's up to the other players to step up and fulfill the other bits of midfield play.
 
AneRu said:
Fred couldn't retain the ball at all, at least Ugarte can keep it. We know he can win it and if he can retain it well then it's up to the other players to step up and fulfill the other bits of midfield play.
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Hey, good Fred was a beast. Take up you criticism with bad Fred.
I suppose Bruno and Kobbie can do the football part! :lol:
 
A ball winner while the opponent is in the attacking structure gives an opportunity to transition while they’re out of place. Ugarte in that case would simply need another midfielder or forward player deep to pass it off to, and then they can find the passes forward.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Ehh dont care if they are buying him for 50M. Also wont be surprised if PSG put this out to make us overpay for him.
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I'd be more worried about Zubimendi being poached than Ugarte honestly. They want a playmaking #6 to suit Slot-ball. He's been experimenting with the likes of Szoboszlai and Gravenberch there and doesn't really rate Endo.

I think they'll be in trouble this season.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Hey, good Fred was a beast. Take up you criticism with bad Fred.
I suppose Bruno and Kobbie can do the football part! :lol:
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Yeah good Fred had his moments, if could lay up a simple pass consistently he would have been some player. Still think he was sold prematurely especially right before we adopted tactics that suited him to a tee.
 
AneRu said:
Yeah good Fred had his moments, if could lay up a simple pass consistently he would have been some player. Still think he was sold prematurely especially right before we adopted tactics that suited him to a tee.
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One of the dumbest decisions of the past two years was selling him for almost nothing instead of McTominay who had 3 times the market value but is a far worse fit for how we play.
 
Florida Man said:
A ball winner while the opponent is in the attacking structure gives an opportunity to transition while they’re out of place. Ugarte in that case would simply need another midfielder or forward player deep to pass it off to, and then they can find the passes forward.
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Yep exactly what Ngolo Kante does
 
VP89 said:
Being a ball winner doesn't make you Kante.
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Just because me and you disagree on Ugarte doesn't mean you have to follow me around the forum like a teenager with a crush.

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing? The Athletic, the guardian and other sites have said he is like Ngolo Kante. Your just a armchair fan. If you don't agree that's fine, just stop commenting on my posts about this, it's getting tiring.

I'm not interested.
 
60m for a pure destroyer with zero defensive discipline who isn't very good at choosing when to go for a duel or when to hold his line. I wouldn't consider him at a significant price, and I reckon he would become a massive problem for us if we make him a big money signing. Leaves too much gaps in midfield going for duels, and is not much of a ball player when the team has the ball.
 
dinostar77 said:
Just because me and you disagree on Ugarte doesn't mean you have to follow me around the forum like a teenager with a crush.

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing? The Athletic, the guardian and other sites have said he is like Ngolo Kante. Your just a armchair fan. If you don't agree that's fine, just stop commenting on my posts about this, it's getting tiring.

I'm not interested.
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Journalists aren't always the best football pundits. For example, Carl Anka and James Ducker have form for nonsense. The writers of those articles aren't French League specialist correspondents. Whereas we have people who have seen him week in week out say he's not like Kante.

I not following you anywhere by the way, this thread was trending and I checked for an update. You need to chill out.
 
AneRu said:
Fred couldn't retain the ball at all, at least Ugarte can keep it. We know he can win it and if he can retain it well then it's up to the other players to step up and fulfill the other bits of midfield play.
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He was also dribbled past a lot, which isn't ideal for your defensive midfielder
 
Plant0x84 said:
Is it just me or does this sound a lot like it’s describing Fred? :nervous:

From the Athletic
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I really don't mind the description of him, the biggest concern is for me; "his magnetism to the ball means he can get pulled out of position when defending closer to his own goal.".

Surely with the way EtH plays, this is just going to cause a rinse and repeat of last season.
 
Maybe PSG overpaid for him when they bought him from Portugal....they wouldn't be the first club to do that.
At the end of the season he was not making the starting side and PSG want to pass him on to us and lose no money on the deal.
I watched a couple of his games in the Copa and I see nothing special.
 
There will be no new midfielder this summer IMO. Last minue deal for Amrabat or Rabiot at most. Annoying as I genuinely thought it would be their next priority after getting the Yoro deal done.

I'm hoping they can at least still get De Ligt deal over the line as we can't be going into the season with what is effectivey one Ole's starting back 4s AWB/ Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw.
 
This will happen late in the window, the compromise is a loan with £10 million upfront fee then an obligation to buy of £40 million spread over 3-4 years as United want Ugarte and PSG want to move him on.
 
sullydnl said:
The new owners have been clear that it will be two or three years before we're where we want to be challenging for titles. And that's just if things go according to plan.

Nothing about that timescale suggests to me that we needed to have five or six deals done already this summer, in a transfer window characterised by clubs trying to work around financial regulations, major international tournaments and (in our case) key employees just joining the club.

If you came into this summer with these sort of expectations then you were always going to be disappointed.
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Pretty much the same squad and even weaker with useless players still not sold. Not sure why we can’t expect basic competitiveness in the market…
GaryLifo said:
There will be no new midfielder this summer IMO. Last minue deal for Amrabat or Rabiot at most. Annoying as I genuinely thought it would be their next priority after getting the Yoro deal done.

I'm hoping they can at least still get De Ligt deal over the line as we can't be going into the season with what is effectivey one Ole's starting back 4s AWB/ Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw.
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We just don’t care about midfielders. Its in the club’s DNA.
 
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