For those who have watched more of him - why is he a better fit for us than someone like Onana?
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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I'm all for him and think he's a profile we need. Is he THE ideal profile? Maybe not. But he can play at the highest level and be an absolute terrier out of possession. He can play in a 2. We will gain a lot of bite and speed in MF that we don't have. What we will lack is that calmness and vertical passing, which we might need to find more from Shaw, Martinez and Yoro.
I think we could be thinking about long term succession planning here, in a post-Bruno world for me we might play a 3. Mainoo, ball winner and tempo setter. Ugarte could be that ball winner. Sure we don't have the tempo setter yet, but we don't need to rush things.
Sign the right players as they come available and the results will follow.
I think we could be thinking about long term succession planning here, in a post-Bruno world for me we might play a 3. Mainoo, ball winner and tempo setter. Ugarte could be that ball winner. Sure we don't have the tempo setter yet, but we don't need to rush things.
Sign the right players as they come available and the results will follow.
Especially in a context where last season's squad saw Casemiro, McTominay, Amrabat and Eirksen play the combined equivalent of 92+ full games in terms of minutes, at an average age of 29 years old. There's no shortage of scope to improve the team in what everyone at the club sees as a multi-year rebuild.
For some of us, you need to go with "dark grey text".
Last season we played a very high and aggressive press. Problems arose because the defensive line was very deep, meaning once the press was broken, teams were running at our back five almost unimpeded.
Clearly we are focusing on bringing in defenders who enable us to play a higher line and be more compact, condensing the play. Which is vital.
Ugarte excels at an aggressive, preemptive press. He steps up to intercept in passing lanes more aggressively than nearly every other player out there. He plays in midfield like Martinez does in defence. Looking to step forwards and take the ball before it reaches the opponent, and he does it very well. There’s a reason he’s been called the Uruguayan Kante. So in that regard he’s ideal for a high pressing team. Onana, by contrast, does more of his pressing once the opponent has received the ball. He doesn’t have the same level of anticipation.
In terms of deficiencies, they are fairly similar. I don’t think either are particularly great receiving it under pressure facing their own goal, but I think that is an area of weakness for Onana that is even more pronounced.
To be honest, there isn’t a huge difference between their levels, but having watched both a fair amount, I will tell you that I came away feeling that Ugarte is the better player. His energy is incredible and his technical skills, especially running with the ball, vastly overlooked. Onana has never been a player that I was worried on United missing out on.
This looks better than the Newcastle and Milan games which were disasters for him, he was also only 20 against City tbf.
He looks genuinely good in this compilation against Spurs. If he comes though, he will need to tone down his aggression a bit. He doesn't have the same level of control as Martinez when going for strong challenges.
My doubts are mainly because I'm not sure how good he is as a destroyer. Considering Ten Hag's system and the profile of our other midfielders, Ugarte needs to be especially good at this aspect.
Did you see his defensive stats for the last three seasons? About half of all the defensive parameters are at 99, others are not far away
Apparently we're willing to let Mount go too now. I wonder how much it would cost us to make Crystal Palace an offer they can't refuse for Wharton. I think he would be the perfect defensive partner for Mainoo.
Not sure where you got that from. I haven’t seen one credible, or half-credible suggesting we’ve given up on Mount after one injury ridden season.
We need an athletic, smart DM with grit. We need it probably more than anything.
I've seen a few suggestions... credible, or half-credible is a different matter.
Good post well explained.
That bs rumour has already been squashed
Stop reading gossip
There is zero reality where Palace would sell Wharton for an easy 30m
Clubs in the league would be lined up for him if that were the case
They are quite good albeit in weaker leagues. He did disappoint massively in the CL last season defensively which is where my doubts are coming from.
I feel like this is De Light deal for Midfield - there is clearly a deal to be done, but we’re playing smoke and mirrors while working under the radar for a primary target.. could be another good week for transfers.
Camavinga?
Camavinga?
Tchouameni?
Surely a done deal especially now that PSG are on the verge of getting Neves?
we badly need a DCM....this kid fits the profile of what we want and what we need
The feeling on him in this thread seems to be we can do better,however the question is who?
Decent tactical profile on him, and a match comp against Arsenal where he did well.
If we had a Modric/Scholes/Kroos type playmaker, hell even Eriksen in his prime...we wouldnt really be asking for a do it all DM. We need a DLP type DM because our other 2 midfielders arent necessarily great on the ball(Mainoo exception).
If we can get a CM in who is a proper ball player eventually(This season or next), I would be fine with a more destroyer type DM like Ugarte.
We aren't doing another yoro type deal unfortunately
Wait wait wait he played with number 15 for sporting the best we have seen him, Yoro played number 15 too it’s not a coincidence. SIGN HIM UP ALREADY
Ah of course we shouldn't go along with silly Everton pricing he's a EUR40-50M player.
Real Madrid doesn't play possession football but they are a top team.
The idea that we can only be a top team by possession football is not based on reality but the preference of some fans.
Fan from Uruguay here. I wanted to get my opinion on Ugarte.
Ugarte is a quality player without a doubt, very good defensively and while hes not a creative specialist, hes more than decent on ball. He even played more avanced positions early in his carreer, hes not a límited player at all.
Also hes a winner, determined and very smart player. I think United has been missing a player like him for a long time and hes going to improve the team.
For that price tag hes for sure a solid bet.
PSG is a mess and Luis Enrique is a fundamentalist coach who only looks at possesion based offense, it wasnt a good place for him. Hes a great fit in Ten Hag high pressing, more direct style, just like Bielsa in our national team.
Ugarte is a quality player without a doubt, very good defensively and while hes not a creative specialist, hes more than decent on ball. He even played more avanced positions early in his carreer, hes not a límited player at all.
Also hes a winner, determined and very smart player. I think United has been missing a player like him for a long time and hes going to improve the team.
For that price tag hes for sure a solid bet.
PSG is a mess and Luis Enrique is a fundamentalist coach who only looks at possesion based offense, it wasnt a good place for him. Hes a great fit in Ten Hag high pressing, more direct style, just like Bielsa in our national team.
Doubt
"My name's not even Andre mate....do you know what I mean!"
That’s what we want to hear !
Hopefully we get this one over the line this week.
I would say Camavinga is defo better.
Having read up on him and watched some clips, I've come to the conclusion that's he's basically another Fred, who I was a big fan of.
Like Fred, Ugarte's best work happens off the ball, where he can use his dynamism and endless energy to press high up the pitch.
It's for that reason I believe Fred was better as an 8, as he had the licence to press further forward without overly thinking too much about what was behind him.
I always go back to that Sours game, where we won 2-0. To this day, I believe that was the best game we've had under ten Hag in terms of domination throughout the whole game. A midfield of Casemiro, Fred and Bruno.
Fast forward a couple of years and we're strongly linked with Ugarte, who, as I said before, shares similar attributes to Fred. My worry, as with Fred at the time, would be vacating the 6 position and leaving us vulnerable.
Having said that, with ten Hag seemingly keen on us playing a man to man press, winning the ball high up the pitch and transitioning quickly, a player like Ugarte would be ideal. It's for the same reason ten Hag brought Mount. Although the aforementioned players aren't the most creative on the ball, they'll run the hard miles, which in turn will hopefully allow us to dominate games more. So often last season we started well and often phased out due to tiredness.
I still maintain we need a deep-lying playmaker type but the potential transfer of Ugarte makes sense based on the way ten Hag currently sets up his team.
Actually, a Mainoo/Ugarte pivot would be quite reminiscent of De Jong/Schone.
Neither De Jong nor Schone were holding midfielders. Actually, the two dovetailed quite nicely, with De Jong more often than not, responsible for dropping into the back line and progressing the ball, usually with a dribble. With Mainoo capable of doing the same thing, I'm hoping ten Hag will set up in a similar way next season.
Like Fred, Ugarte's best work happens off the ball, where he can use his dynamism and endless energy to press high up the pitch.
It's for that reason I believe Fred was better as an 8, as he had the licence to press further forward without overly thinking too much about what was behind him.
I always go back to that Sours game, where we won 2-0. To this day, I believe that was the best game we've had under ten Hag in terms of domination throughout the whole game. A midfield of Casemiro, Fred and Bruno.
Fast forward a couple of years and we're strongly linked with Ugarte, who, as I said before, shares similar attributes to Fred. My worry, as with Fred at the time, would be vacating the 6 position and leaving us vulnerable.
Having said that, with ten Hag seemingly keen on us playing a man to man press, winning the ball high up the pitch and transitioning quickly, a player like Ugarte would be ideal. It's for the same reason ten Hag brought Mount. Although the aforementioned players aren't the most creative on the ball, they'll run the hard miles, which in turn will hopefully allow us to dominate games more. So often last season we started well and often phased out due to tiredness.
I still maintain we need a deep-lying playmaker type but the potential transfer of Ugarte makes sense based on the way ten Hag currently sets up his team.
Actually, a Mainoo/Ugarte pivot would be quite reminiscent of De Jong/Schone.
Neither De Jong nor Schone were holding midfielders. Actually, the two dovetailed quite nicely, with De Jong more often than not, responsible for dropping into the back line and progressing the ball, usually with a dribble. With Mainoo capable of doing the same thing, I'm hoping ten Hag will set up in a similar way next season.
Solid squad option and would be happy to have him but for 60m it's too much and I wouldn't be gutted if we walked away. We really need to start getting some outgoings over the line now to have a better idea of available funds. We are desperate for some energy and legs in midfield and this guy is the mad bastard we need. We've been crying out for this profile of player for years.
Agree with a lot of this, especially the off the ball stuff.
60M? We're talking about 35-40M here tops. He moved for 60M last year to PSG and Luis Enrique doesn't want him, they want to sell him. PSG already has Fabian Ruiz, Vitinha, Zaire Emery and are looking to sign Neves. If the price is anything above 40M we should walk away. He's mainly a destructor, I get why were interested but for a midfielder to go for 60M you need way more than that.
Great to hear! I think he is a very good CDM to have similar to Keane style rather than Carrick. He allows all the other more attacking midfielders the freedom to attack. I love Keane's style of play to bits during his time.
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