That was an awful setup from Enrique tbf in the game with 3 CFs, and Dembele and Zaire Emery playing like AMs. At times Ugarte was left 1v4.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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That was an awful setup from Enrique tbf in the game with 3 CFs, and Dembele and Zaire Emery playing like AMs. At times Ugarte was left 1v4.
If he allows our most technically gifted players like Mainoo/Bruno to flourish and do what they do best, he'll be a great addition.
He better get used to being 1v4 in midfield if he joins United!
Mainoo will need rest, Bruno will need rest, Ugarte will need rest. If you experiment in using Mainoo more forward when Bruno is rested, or against teams that you need so thing different, a Mainoo, Rabiot, Ugarte midfield would be strong. In that sense, even if he wasn’t starting, he could get near 30 starts a season with all competitions. Maybe he even starts over Ugarte for a bit. He could use learning skills from a very underrated technical DM, while still getting tons of playing time himself.
You want to get top 4, compete in two cups, and Europa League? You need at least 5 or 6 real quality midfielders. Rabiot is on a fee and wants YOU. I’d take that.
And Ugarte you absolutely take. Mainoo is the only “undroppable” player in your midfield right now for me.
I think people are getting a bit too wound up over this.
Yes, we would all like to have a Carrick/Busquets/Rodri in the team who can be the defensive base AND play mouth watering passes, but if no such player is readily available, that does not mean we should not try to upgrade the team in other ways. Last season the biggest problem with our midfield was how defensively open we were and how easy it was for teams to run through. If Ugarte can help make that better, even if he isn't a hugely 'progressive' passer, then I say he is definitely worth bringing in.
Yes, we would all like to have a Carrick/Busquets/Rodri in the team who can be the defensive base AND play mouth watering passes, but if no such player is readily available, that does not mean we should not try to upgrade the team in other ways. Last season the biggest problem with our midfield was how defensively open we were and how easy it was for teams to run through. If Ugarte can help make that better, even if he isn't a hugely 'progressive' passer, then I say he is definitely worth bringing in.
For those who have watched more of him - why is he a better fit for us than someone like Onana?
I'm all for him and think he's a profile we need. Is he THE ideal profile? Maybe not. But he can play at the highest level and be an absolute terrier out of possession. He can play in a 2. We will gain a lot of bite and speed in MF that we don't have. What we will lack is that calmness and vertical passing, which we might need to find more from Shaw, Martinez and Yoro.
I think we could be thinking about long term succession planning here, in a post-Bruno world for me we might play a 3. Mainoo, ball winner and tempo setter. Ugarte could be that ball winner. Sure we don't have the tempo setter yet, but we don't need to rush things.
Sign the right players as they come available and the results will follow.
I think we could be thinking about long term succession planning here, in a post-Bruno world for me we might play a 3. Mainoo, ball winner and tempo setter. Ugarte could be that ball winner. Sure we don't have the tempo setter yet, but we don't need to rush things.
Sign the right players as they come available and the results will follow.
Especially in a context where last season's squad saw Casemiro, McTominay, Amrabat and Eirksen play the combined equivalent of 92+ full games in terms of minutes, at an average age of 29 years old. There's no shortage of scope to improve the team in what everyone at the club sees as a multi-year rebuild.
For some of us, you need to go with "dark grey text".
Last season we played a very high and aggressive press. Problems arose because the defensive line was very deep, meaning once the press was broken, teams were running at our back five almost unimpeded.
Clearly we are focusing on bringing in defenders who enable us to play a higher line and be more compact, condensing the play. Which is vital.
Ugarte excels at an aggressive, preemptive press. He steps up to intercept in passing lanes more aggressively than nearly every other player out there. He plays in midfield like Martinez does in defence. Looking to step forwards and take the ball before it reaches the opponent, and he does it very well. There’s a reason he’s been called the Uruguayan Kante. So in that regard he’s ideal for a high pressing team. Onana, by contrast, does more of his pressing once the opponent has received the ball. He doesn’t have the same level of anticipation.
In terms of deficiencies, they are fairly similar. I don’t think either are particularly great receiving it under pressure facing their own goal, but I think that is an area of weakness for Onana that is even more pronounced.
To be honest, there isn’t a huge difference between their levels, but having watched both a fair amount, I will tell you that I came away feeling that Ugarte is the better player. His energy is incredible and his technical skills, especially running with the ball, vastly overlooked. Onana has never been a player that I was worried on United missing out on.
This looks better than the Newcastle and Milan games which were disasters for him, he was also only 20 against City tbf.
He looks genuinely good in this compilation against Spurs. If he comes though, he will need to tone down his aggression a bit. He doesn't have the same level of control as Martinez when going for strong challenges.
My doubts are mainly because I'm not sure how good he is as a destroyer. Considering Ten Hag's system and the profile of our other midfielders, Ugarte needs to be especially good at this aspect.
Did you see his defensive stats for the last three seasons? About half of all the defensive parameters are at 99, others are not far away
Apparently we're willing to let Mount go too now. I wonder how much it would cost us to make Crystal Palace an offer they can't refuse for Wharton. I think he would be the perfect defensive partner for Mainoo.
Not sure where you got that from. I haven’t seen one credible, or half-credible suggesting we’ve given up on Mount after one injury ridden season.
We need an athletic, smart DM with grit. We need it probably more than anything.
I've seen a few suggestions... credible, or half-credible is a different matter.
Good post well explained.
That bs rumour has already been squashed
Stop reading gossip
There is zero reality where Palace would sell Wharton for an easy 30m
Clubs in the league would be lined up for him if that were the case
They are quite good albeit in weaker leagues. He did disappoint massively in the CL last season defensively which is where my doubts are coming from.
I feel like this is De Light deal for Midfield - there is clearly a deal to be done, but we’re playing smoke and mirrors while working under the radar for a primary target.. could be another good week for transfers.
Camavinga?
Camavinga?
Tchouameni?
Surely a done deal especially now that PSG are on the verge of getting Neves?
we badly need a DCM....this kid fits the profile of what we want and what we need
The feeling on him in this thread seems to be we can do better,however the question is who?
Decent tactical profile on him, and a match comp against Arsenal where he did well.
If we had a Modric/Scholes/Kroos type playmaker, hell even Eriksen in his prime...we wouldnt really be asking for a do it all DM. We need a DLP type DM because our other 2 midfielders arent necessarily great on the ball(Mainoo exception).
If we can get a CM in who is a proper ball player eventually(This season or next), I would be fine with a more destroyer type DM like Ugarte.
We aren't doing another yoro type deal unfortunately
Wait wait wait he played with number 15 for sporting the best we have seen him, Yoro played number 15 too it’s not a coincidence. SIGN HIM UP ALREADY
Ah of course we shouldn't go along with silly Everton pricing he's a EUR40-50M player.
Real Madrid doesn't play possession football but they are a top team.
The idea that we can only be a top team by possession football is not based on reality but the preference of some fans.
Fan from Uruguay here. I wanted to get my opinion on Ugarte.
Ugarte is a quality player without a doubt, very good defensively and while hes not a creative specialist, hes more than decent on ball. He even played more avanced positions early in his carreer, hes not a límited player at all.
Also hes a winner, determined and very smart player. I think United has been missing a player like him for a long time and hes going to improve the team.
For that price tag hes for sure a solid bet.
PSG is a mess and Luis Enrique is a fundamentalist coach who only looks at possesion based offense, it wasnt a good place for him. Hes a great fit in Ten Hag high pressing, more direct style, just like Bielsa in our national team.
Ugarte is a quality player without a doubt, very good defensively and while hes not a creative specialist, hes more than decent on ball. He even played more avanced positions early in his carreer, hes not a límited player at all.
Also hes a winner, determined and very smart player. I think United has been missing a player like him for a long time and hes going to improve the team.
For that price tag hes for sure a solid bet.
PSG is a mess and Luis Enrique is a fundamentalist coach who only looks at possesion based offense, it wasnt a good place for him. Hes a great fit in Ten Hag high pressing, more direct style, just like Bielsa in our national team.
Doubt
"My name's not even Andre mate....do you know what I mean!"
That’s what we want to hear !
Hopefully we get this one over the line this week.
I would say Camavinga is defo better.
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