Yeah it really would but with PSG sniffing around need to make some very quick sales
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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Yeah it really would but with PSG sniffing around need to make some very quick sales
Doubt we’d see all three together unless it’s a League Cup game against a lower league team, but on the off chance they’d be starting together I’d feel more comfortable with the h squad midfield than I’ve been in who knows how long.
Maybe INEOS should see if he's open to leaving Spain,hey it worked with Yoro so ask that question
Exactly as I predicted
They know we hold the cards so these mystery clubs are a desperate attempt to gain some control. It was so predictable this would be leaked.
It would work with the rest of our budget. Presumably we dont have exactly £59 million pounds that PSG apparently want for Ugarte. So take that money and put it with the rest towards a bid. If thats more than PSG are working with thats pretty good because clearly they dont have it.
I loved him, so maybe I'm biased
Thats awesome!
Just making sure you were one of the posters who did enjoy what he brought to the team, especially the high pressing part because its something that a number of posters downplayed because his tackles werent all right in front of the defence like the traditional sitting DM
Looks like this is our midfield target ITK then
He averages 35 passes per game and simply doesn't have the ball enough to control the game's tempo. He's a wonderful player with many talents but controlling the game simply isn't one of them... yet? Manchester United as a whole doesn't know how to control the tempo. The closest players that we've had to a "controlling" type last season were Eriksen (whose legs are completely gone and he's not good enough to be able to play at a walking pace) and Amrabat (who just isn't good enough, but he was useful in some games because of his ability to slow things down and recycle possession).
Given Ten Hag’s, well, unusual tactics of a deeper back line which causes large gaps in the midfield, maybe we need a DM that covers a lot of space. I’d be willing to sacrifice some playmaking if we can reduce shots on goal from an average of 7 billion per match down to, say 9 or 10.
It's something you learn with age, no? I think he has the tools and time to be taught how to do it if the club moves in that direction.
I kinda dont want to suggest him because he's so important to Valencia's project, but... Pepelu who they signed last summer is their best player and better than Zubimendi
Same height as Casemiro, all 7 of his goals came from the penalty spot but you can rest assured he's going to convert, his extra key passes over Zubimendi come from crossing and corners. So he has set pieces covered
Sounds like Kante in style. How does his quality compare?
They could've gone with more PL clubs, no one's going to believe Italian or Spanish clubs will pay them 70m.Exactly as I predicted
They know we hold the cards so these mystery clubs are a desperate attempt to gain some control. It was so predictable this would be leaked.
I actually genuinely forgot Eriksen was still on our books, I agree about him. Think he will either be gone or won't play more than 15 games.
I don't consider Bruno a central midfielder.
Definitely, he was great. I think he was severely underrated and we've not had a CM with his combined quality for a while. I think Ugarte shares some of those aspects of what Herrera was good at.Thats awesome!
Just making sure you were one of the posters who did enjoy what he brought to the team, especially the high pressing part because its something that a number of posters downplayed because his tackles werent all right in front of the defence like the traditional sitting DM
Also good to hear your thoughts on Pepelu, I saw him whilst watching a game for Javi Guerra and came away far more impressed with Pepelu.
Exactly, even at the moment there are very few PL clubs that can afford that, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea - Only Liverpool makes sense stylistically and they seem happy with their midfield options right now.
Who really needs Ugarte besides us? The only ones I can think of are Liverpool, maybe. If they're not interested then PSG are fecked. They need the money for Neves and we shouldn't overpay.
edit: @Stobzilla well, you and I, sir, are in agreement
edit: @Stobzilla well, you and I, sir, are in agreement
Regarding the on the ball quality - those progressive pass stats posted above were awful. Is he at least better on the ball than someone like McTominay (ignoring goals)? Any player you’d compare him to in this regard?
He doesn't at all. Dictating play isn't just playing faster or slower.
I don't really know what "available" means.
I'm sure we could get Wharton if we wanted. Zubimendi has been mentioned, apparently he doesn't want to move to the Prem but apparently Yoro wanted to move to Madrid.
Caqueret is another who has been mentioned as has Pepelu from Valencia. If PSG are set on Neves and need someone to help them fund it then Ruiz would be better for us.
Lots of players out there.
Yeah I'm not surprised. Guerra at this point is mostly good for supporting and maybe getting a goal, he got a couple from outside the box last season so thats good. But Pepelu is a lot more impressive with the ball and winning it, but obviously he's older at 25.
Maybe Guerra gets there one day but for now him and Guilliamon work to get on the ball and pass it around a lot more than Guerra and Pepelu wins the ball more. Guerra does win the ball more than Guillamon which is a bit dissappointing because Guillamon came through as a CB before being moved into midfield. Now he's a bit lazy defensively and mostly just recycles and keeps possession.
I'd like us to sign Ugarte but certainly not at any cost. I can't imagine there are many (any?) clubs out there who would be prepared to pay more than us anyway. We can afford to call PSG's bluff on this one.
Yeah he strikes me as almost an wide attacking CM in a 3, who will drive you up the pitch with his directness and dribbling, but a bit erratic in his defending.
Valencia had a load of young players playing this year, was nice to see them with a few more prospects.
Oh, very much so. He just doesn't do that yet. He seems like a very smart player who has the required vision & technique so if we develop him correctly he'll hopefully significantly improve in that aspect (even though I think that he's going to end up as an Iniesta/Modrić kind of player as opposed to someone like Xavi/Kroos).
Gives me slight Torreira vibes.
Mainoo is a moments player at the current stage of his career. Just about everything he does is done with a lot of quality, but he doesn't get involved anywhere near enough to be classed as a player who is dictating anything. Bruno is the one who dictates things for us (which is unfortunate as his attitude of always playing at such a high tempo and trying to force things then pervades the entire team) along with Martinez.
There were a few more signs of it in the games when Mainoo was playing as a #6 last season when he was generally getting more involved, but even then he wasn't really controlling anything.
We already went in for João Neves at start of window and got rebuffed at €70mil.
PSG are going to have to pay stupid money in and around €100-120mil. We won't go that high.
Can we work out who these other clubs are?
One from PL (apart from us, Liverpool?)
Two from Italy
One from Spain
One from PL (apart from us, Liverpool?)
Two from Italy
One from Spain
Haven’t heard of him until last night when someone mentioned him here on the Caf (think Adnan perhaps). How’s his aggressiveness and mobility, speed etc? Sounds promising and at a good age.
It's been 24 hours and Ugarte hasn't put pen to paper. INEOS out.
We need one midfielder to go because we need the money or there is no space for one more?
I doubt we even want Neves though at that price?
if we sign him we're either benching him, Mainoo or Bruno in our first choice eleven
unless we randomly decide to use Bruno as a false 9 or out wide all season
The PL club could be anyone really - Liverpool, Newcastle, Chelsea (they love signing anyone and everyone), Arsenal perhaps to replace Partey.
The two Italian clubs will be the ones who could realistically afford him - so Juventus or one of the Milan clubs? Juve seems likely considering Rabiot's departure.
As for la liga - I'm going to assume its Atletico, seems like the profile of player Simeone loves.
None of them are going to pay anywhere near what PSG want. So we can play hardball with them on this one.
No Italian or Spanish team are spending €70m on him, it's posturing.
yes it would certainly be nice to not have 100 goal kicks a match and actually win possession on the other teams half of the pitch
Especially when the player has announced he wants to come here.
Interesting that Villa looked at him before Onana. Probably hedged their bets and went fir the player they could get. Means most clubs put him above Onana, quite the opposite to the cafe.
Yes but there is no way to tell if he will learn it, very very few do.
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