I see no reason why that lineup would have to play possession football, though.
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None of them have pace. They can’t stretch the play cause they aren’t wingers, which means they have to play possession based football to keep the ball and play 1-2s to move the ball forward.
Nah, missed that (might watch on the Player). Sounds a bit like WW or WM but don’t know when they ended.. thought a bit earlier in the century
I’m assuming you’re classing KDB, Odegaard, Szoboszlai, Maddison as out and out midfielders? They’re all attacking midfielders who are now playing as 8s because of the way football has changed. At the start of their careers, Maddison, KDB and Odegaard were played at 10 in a 4231. If you look at the post I replied to, he was suggesting dropping Bruno (who is similar to all the players mentioned above) and playing without an attacking midfielder.
They're all very different players to Ugarte, Casemiro and Mainoo. Far more creative, play higher up the pitch and get more goals and assists.
Liverpool under Klopp you could argue were similar but Wijnaldum and Fabinho were probably better on the ball than Casemiro/Urgate. And it’s undeniable that they had a far bigger goal threat in their front three, as well as more threat from full back.
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I mean an attacking midfielder is a “midfielder” just like Ugarte and Casemiro are “defensive midfielders”.
Where players were played at different points in their careers is irrelevant. Bruno has played on the wing plenty of times for both us and Portugal, but if he suddenly was put into a DLP style 6 role you wouldn’t say “why aren’t we playing with another midfielder instead of a winger there?”
Now obviously if your argument is “Mainoo/Case/Ugarte isn’t creative enough as a midfield” then that’s a different discussion and a point I’d agree with most likely. But saying “no top team plays with 3 midfielders because you don’t want to classify any former 10’s as midfielders is strange.
Again, though, we have been playing with Bruno as a false nine and two players with pace in the lineup, which is no different personnel wise. I’m struggling to see your point.
Casablanca references are wasted here sadly.
Not sure what’s the struggle to identify the difference between the diamond formation and the 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 system.
I’m struggling to understand why the same eleven players could play a non ‘possession’ orientated approach, just because of how their names are written down on the team sheet.
I agree; we’re gonna be playing a lot of Thursday/Sunday weeks and neither Casemiro or Mainoo look capable of playing more than an hour or so effectively.
His medical, must be a really in depth one? Been going in for a couple of days now. Maybe Ten Hag compares all the results with Mctominays, since he wanted to keep him and not signing Ugarte...
He only got here late last night, it’ll be announced later today.
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So you’re splitting hairs and admit that my post about not having enough creativity is correct. Okay.
Everyone has their own terms for how they talk about football. A “proper central” midfielder for me is a Keane/Robson who can do everything. I don’t talk about attacking mids like KDB as central midfielders, but that’s probably my age.
Either way, I can’t think of any top teams that play with two ball winning midfielders and I’m not even sure sure how to classify Kobbie yet, but he’s not an attacking midfielder in the mould of KDB/Odegaard etc.
This. PLEASE!
All this formation theory is starting to make me yearn for the halcyon days of clumsy statistical analysis.
I will definitely miss the ‘ you got to’ puns though, life affirming
But would it not be possible with 2 fast forwards? In certain games
They've taken me from being pretty in favour of this transfer to really quite concerned for the future.
With such a long build-up and announcement delay we better get a tap dancing announcement video.
No luck rounding up the usual suspects?
RIP Summer of U Gort to 2024-2024.
I get that. Impossible to be ironic/funny on a forum. Sorry about that.
Well, it's not, you just have to be good at it.
Yeah, and probably native English speaking. But this thread is about Ugarte.
We're just trying to thicken your skin for the general forum.
Does he speak English?
But none of them do as little work to controlling the game as Bruno. Having an 8 who's very creative is normal, having one that is just creative doesn't happen because control is very important.
Guess they aren’t announcing this today.
Oo-gahr-teh
Tomorrow. Judging by previous transfers.
Heard he's been pushing for the announcement. Like hell.
It's very close now.
It's very close now.
Is he still in love with us?
It’s really not relevant to my point that Casemiro, Mainoo and Urgate is not a midfield that a modern top side would use. What Bruno does or doesn’t do is not really the issue being discussed.
Bruno isn't part of a midfield that modern top sides would use. The difference is that on one has suggested Casemiro, Mainoo, and Urgate as our midfield.
There's also been some debate over the pronunciation of his first name, Manuel. Is it MAN-YOU-WELL or is it MAN-WELL?
As a native Spanish speaker, I can assure everyone it's close to but not exactly the latter. It's MAHN-WELL, with a very soft "a". And if you're a hipster, you have to say it really fast with the accent on the second syllable, mahn-WELL!
But then again, Man Utd, which is not how most mancs refer to United in conversation (but is quite common in the US) ,could be fun to play with when creating songs in his honor. I'm terrible with this sort of thing, but I can go to ChatGPT and see what I can come up with in honor of "Man Utd" WELL Ugarte.
As a native Spanish speaker, I can assure everyone it's close to but not exactly the latter. It's MAHN-WELL, with a very soft "a". And if you're a hipster, you have to say it really fast with the accent on the second syllable, mahn-WELL!
But then again, Man Utd, which is not how most mancs refer to United in conversation (but is quite common in the US) ,could be fun to play with when creating songs in his honor. I'm terrible with this sort of thing, but I can go to ChatGPT and see what I can come up with in honor of "Man Utd" WELL Ugarte.
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