Get the fecking flight trackers out
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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P.s. the Muppet tears talk shite
He’s already in Manchester from last night
I'm not a huge fan of ETH but you have to acknowledge the right attitude does win him over. Ugarte will have no trouble in that regard.
Fabritzio Romano said he'll be travelling tonight on the old "X" feed
Apologies I've not been keeping up with this
I’m just guessing
You've got to have some pull being an Admin on here
Are you expecting Slot to genuinely compete for the league this season? City and Arsenal are miles ahead. It's not realistic. I'd like us to get 3rd ideally but based on the start to the season I'm expecting 4th to be our ceiling.
Muppetiers 
Seriously
If you believe them, you literally will believe anything. The same people are probably falling for the grandparent scam, even though they are not even grandparents
SeriouslyIf you believe them, you literally will believe anything. The same people are probably falling for the grandparent scam, even though they are not even grandparents
I know, but that's not what I meant.
-------Vitinha
Ugarte-----Emery
Something like this is what I meant. With Vitinha as the deepest lying midfielder.
Do you think he should be?
Agree. I would expect that to be the case if/when we get a Carrick at #6, with Mainoo and Ugarte completing the trio. Bruno would be 30+ so contributing but never the player who we should build around.
Don't see ETH doing that, mind.
Because the new owners recognised they had inherited a mess, and therefore publicly stated they thought it would be two or three years before were competing for major trophies.
It's fine saying "he's been backed", but when he's been backed via a recruitment set-up the new owners deem dysfunctional then that backing is of little value from their perspective.
Not really, he’s really not a No8 able to play box to box.
He’s basically a midfield destroyer who plays it safe and doesn’t carry a lot. He may develop into a box to box but from what I’ve seen it’s not really his strongest suit.
To me the obvious and realistic improvement we can expect of him is to be more comfortable in his passing and when under pressure, but if anything I think he’ll slot between or besides the defenders when building from the back as it would be too risky to have him as the receiver when trying to build from the back under pressure.
He's a very old looking 23 year old
Yeah I know what you mean, I’m just saying instead of playing 2 players in positions they don’t thrive in, it’s easier to just bench Ugarte.
There’s a flight from Paris Le-Bourget scheduled for tonight
If PSR rules forced our hand so be it, but if paying the higher fee means nothing more than less money for the Glazers to bathe in but having the player in summer training and fit for the first two PL matches of the season, it would have been worth every penny.
As it stands now it's inconceivable that Ugarte will start against Liverpool and with those three dropped points -- assuming that Ugarte makes all the difference in our midfield to begin with -- we're deep in the hole after just three matches.
By all accounts he’s 67 and his dad’s a porker.
Quite annoying that all our new signings including Ugarte haven’t really had a pre season but surely there fit, Ugarte played in all of Uruguays games in the copa.
And bald as a coot.
I get the impression that recent sales have allowed us to structure the Ugarte deal in a way that we would prefer. Until recently, I assume it would have been a loan with obligation. What is now €10m in possible add ons, may well have been a guaranteed €10m as a loan fee.
I wouldn't assume that Ugarte is the difference between a win and a defeat.
Ok, I don't know how good this guy is but let's see how this goes, and good luck to him. But what will be the midfield? Casimero is on way out? Or does Ugarte sit on the bench? Or Mainoo?
Hope we play Casimero AND Ugarte. That would make everything more stable. Put De Ligt and Licha behind them. That's a wall! Then Mainoo and Fernandez can be able to roam further up the pitch.
It's all that pushing to get out of PrisonSG mate, looked fine dancing with his mum less than a year ago.
It's almost certainly nonsense.
If it is true, we truly are screwed if we have a manager that thought Scott Mctominay was integral to his plans of winning us the league and CL.
But I'm going to assume it's fabricated for my own sanity at least.
Lumineers are a better source I reckon.
Some do and some just want the crap they churn out to be true because it suits an agenda.
Saying it’s complete bollox doesn’t work.
I don't reall see how it matters if that's true?
Ten Hag not getting everything he wants is the entire point of having this recruitment structure in place. Their job is to know better than him when it comes to recruitment.
And while he might not have been too keen on Ugarte, he obviously didn't have so big an issue with it that he was willing to use the veto he reportedly still has in place. Which is there to stop the recruitment team pushing deals he's completely unhappy with on him.
This reads like the process working as it should, dressed in language to make it sound like a problem. If it's even true, which it might obviously not be.
I think he's been backed enough that he should be aiming for higher than top four in his third season. Maybe a title challenge like ours that doesn't quite make it.
Slot's not been given any backing so far so maintaining our top four spot is what I hope for.
To compete/challenge for league title would required at least 85 points, totally unrealistic to expect for a team in transition and rebuilding and such backing was required regardless of manager.
With the money spent /changes made Jim Ratcliffe and Co will be seeking Champions league football from next season so that it itself will be pressure on Ten Hag as will be no easy task for a team that finished 8th last season to now finish at least 4th or to win the Europa league.
On loan, with an option to buy.
Sanches also spent last season on loan at Roma, who chose not to buy him for €15 million after he seemed to have a disappointing time there. He's not a prized asset for PSG, though he may have more value to Benfica given he started his career there.
Anyways, Neves had a release clause of €120 million but Benfica, who are notoriously difficult negotiators, accepted an offer of almost half that. It's just a surprising deal given how highly-rated Neves is and how many clubs across Europe were looking for a midfielder this summer, yet PSG seemingly had a free run at him at a very good price.
The big question will be is he a square peg in a round hole (a number 8 that we're bringing in to play as a number 6) but his quality as a footballer isn't in question. Statistically in the top 2% of ball winning midfielders.
Those 100+ fees or clauses are unrealistic this summer. They might not next summer and maybe Neves could have stayed fit and done as good a season ?
Sanches has been stalling at PSG / loans but he is known quantity at Benfica ai they're probably hoping they should get the most of him.
Plus PSG paid a good fee for G.Ramos and Mendes is probably greased all ways to Sunday with those deals.
No doubt they did enjoy first dibs on it.
The club needs an identity of play/trademark and keep improving with the identity in mind. Even future managers and football director should have an agreement of the clubs idea of football so we dont get these 200m summers and massive overhaul for each summer.
No, it's the opposite. He is certainly a 6 - played there for Sporting, played there for PSG, and plays there for Uruguay. But he moved to an elite team and has been replaced after one season at the club, so the question has to be around his true quality surely.
Ugarte was never a #8. He was a #6 at Sporting and at PSG. And he has been brought in here to do the same job.
It looks like he’s wearing a cricket jumper
There are plenty of examples of where quality players just haven't been fancied by managers. Hopefully that's the case here
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