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Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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Applause. Brilliant.
But that's like 3 weeks away though.
Finally it's done. Uruguayan Kante inbound.
That's been my assumption but I'm not so sure.
Oh god it’s getting very confusing
They will especially when we are defending a lead.
Poor ESPN Uruguay got no love for breaking the news first!
They will
Casemiro is on about £300k a week. You can absolutely guarantee he starts every week.
Sancho is also on £300k+ per week. Is he starting every week?
No you can’t
No but he's not playing either and has been banished for the last 12 months. It's not like they're still trying to find a way to get more out of him. You can bet Casemiro would have the same treatment if they wanted him gone.
Sancho's on £300k a week and he doesn't start every week, Antony's on £200k.
Please, please, please do not play him in a single pivot.
I see some reports that there is a 10% sell on clause to PSG should we sell him in the future.
I assume these sell on clauses only come into effect once the amount goes over the amount we bought him for , i.e. if we pay 50M and eventually sell him for 60M , then PSG only get 10% of the 10M excess, is this assumption correct?
I assume these sell on clauses only come into effect once the amount goes over the amount we bought him for , i.e. if we pay 50M and eventually sell him for 60M , then PSG only get 10% of the 10M excess, is this assumption correct?
Teams aren’t picked based on wages.
Otherwise Garnacho, Mainoo and Amad would be nowhere near.
It'll be 2 of Mainoo, Casemiro and Ugarte and they'll all stay fresh. Hell, Ugarte probably makes it viable to use Eriksen sometimes
Great point RE Eriksen!
Ronaldo, Sancho etc…
I’m not Ten Hag’s biggest fan but if we have other options, he will bench you if you are shite.
Gonna rack up some generational red card numbers between him and Casemiro. Can't wait
It’s going to be incredible having someone with a bit of bite in midfield. Something we have lacked for over a decade.
I just worry about him being in training with the likes of Shaw, Malacia and Mount.
I just worry about him being in training with the likes of Shaw, Malacia and Mount.
He tends to favour numbers with the number 5, looking from his club and international career so far.
#25 (if Sancho goes), then move to #5 once Maguire departs next summer.
I’m sure Ugarte is a fine player but our ability to turn good players bad is unparalleled.
#5 should be reserved for Yoro eventually, unless he doesn't want it
Thats a pretty weird comment considering the likes of Ronaldo, Sancho, Maguire even Varane getting dropped etc
I'll go a step further and say that the midfield should be 3 of Mainoo, Casemiro, Ugarte, Bruno and Eriksen. None of them should be automatic starters.
Not since Ander?
Tbf Casemiro has a bit of bite. He's just old.
Yep, I think this too.
I'm sure he has more to offer, but needs managing. Can't be expected to play twice a week
Sometimes not even once a week.
Great it’s finally done.
Rangnick said a few years ago that we lacked physicality and stamina, and he was right. Ugarte will add that big time.
We are good at transitions/counter attacks so he will also help us with that by winning the ball back and giving it to the attackers. If he is half the player that Kante was a few years ago, who some are comparing him to, we will have a top player.
He is also compared to Palhinha, who we would all have been delighted with if we signed him a few years back.
Hope he exceeds expectations for us.
I do still think we lack goals, and an effective wide player, with Sancho going out, would be ideal but can’t do everything in one window.
Rangnick said a few years ago that we lacked physicality and stamina, and he was right. Ugarte will add that big time.
We are good at transitions/counter attacks so he will also help us with that by winning the ball back and giving it to the attackers. If he is half the player that Kante was a few years ago, who some are comparing him to, we will have a top player.
He is also compared to Palhinha, who we would all have been delighted with if we signed him a few years back.
Hope he exceeds expectations for us.
I do still think we lack goals, and an effective wide player, with Sancho going out, would be ideal but can’t do everything in one window.
Lets see who earns it up until Maguire's departure.
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But do you think that fee is realistic in the context of all other players who moved this window?
Ugarte:
- 23 years old
- 4993 Liga Portugal Mins
- 1933 Ligue 1Mins
- 372 Europa League Mins
- 1064 Champions League Mins
- 1399 National Team Mins
- Total 9701 mins
Wiefer is the nearest to that fee and for context he’s:
- 24 years old
- 4262 Eredivise Mins
- 638 Europa Mins
- 469 Champions League Mins
- 538 National Team Mins
- Total 5907 mins
I’ll be honest I think it’s a bit dream land to consider this possible at anything other than what was paid.
Me too, but my point is that as part of the negotiations we will have made clear what we are and aren’t going to pay and we’ve ended on a fee that relative to other fees in the market I think represents fair value.
I’ve not said it’s a great deal, but it’s absolutely not an overpay or too much.
That’s the spirit
Comparison with Palhinha from a Sporting fan on page 2 of this thread, back when he was linked with PSG/Chelsea last summer:
It sounds correct but who knows how the clause is worded on the deal.
It could also be worded in such a way that as the transfer fee is amortised over the length of his contract, selling him in 3 years for the same value we paid for him would class as a profit in terms of FFP or PSR, and the clause could be worded in such a way to use this value.
If we ever did sell him for an increased fee it means he has been something of a success.
The new Kante or Macherano as some pundits say..Hope he does well. Tradiotinally Uruguyans are good defensively.
Ten haag has to think outside the box and try different combinations
playing casamero as no. 8 and set brundo fernadez free so he does more attack as no. 10.
( Mainoo is still young and doubt his tracking ability - can come from bench)
play mount as subsititue to Fernandez not together and also try him as wing player in certain games
let the fulll backs push forward more
stop playing Mcguire - we tried for several years
Move Rashford to center in certain games
Ten haag has to think outside the box and try different combinations
playing casamero as no. 8 and set brundo fernadez free so he does more attack as no. 10.
( Mainoo is still young and doubt his tracking ability - can come from bench)
play mount as subsititue to Fernandez not together and also try him as wing player in certain games
let the fulll backs push forward more
stop playing Mcguire - we tried for several years
Move Rashford to center in certain games
It's easy to drop players you didn't sign. When they broke the bank for someone you said yes to it's much harder to drop them, especially when they're considered a senior player on senior wages.
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