I already had some doubts about whether he's the right fit for us and after the first couple of games I'm less hopeful. Will he be an improvement over Casemiro? Yes in once way (overall defensive ability) and no in another (passing). Will he be the signing to fix our issues in midfield, definitely not unless Mainoo drastically improves his passing.
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No way, we'll ease him in over the next few months.
That wouldn't be 'rubbish'. It's a valid issue.
He's had a stop-start summer. Playing for Uruguay in the Copa Amercia, then being out of the picture at PSG so lacking match fitness and sharpness at this stage.
I don't think we should throw him straight in as a starter in a huge game v Liverpool. Hopefully though he'll be available to come off the bench for half an hour or so. Then, after that, Uruguay have three matches during the international break, two of which are World Cup qualifiers and I'm sure he'll be involved in those, so he'll only arrive back from South America a few days before the league game after the break and so should probably only be a sub again.
Due to his late arrival, and then the international break, I'd say his first start should probably be the Crystal Palace match. We may well rush him straight into the team for either of the other two games, but I doubt he'd be at his freshest or sharpest.
Yeah that's pretty much what I think will happen. It's also why I'm trying not to look too much into our results and performances until late September/early October.
Everyone should technically be up and running by then, so if there isn't a wholesale improvement then I'll start to worry for the season.
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Some much needed help for the midfield.
Will be very interesting to see how his arrival changes the setup.
Will be very interesting to see how his arrival changes the setup.
We'll outscore United's attacking players
It could potentially be Mount when we've got our strikers back fit.
Be a horrible double sub for the opposition to see coming on that. 2 players that are just gunna press you to death
Yea, no, as you saw it’s just an early suggestion for the Ugarte song thread.
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And thank you too.that's brilliant
I think Ugarte should start in big games and Casemiro should be rotation for him. I dont think we need Casemiro to come on for Ugarte on 60th minute or something, not most of the time
As for forward line, I think Garna and Amad are as spicy as forwards get, they just need to learn to also assist our strikers, and Hojlund and Zirkzee are extremely exciting young CFs, highly underappreciated
Our real problem is that, we only have these three. The droppff from them to Rashford and Antony is terrible. Not to mention that Rashford also doesn't see himself as a sub. Duh!
If we could have gotten rid of Rashford and Antony and replaced them with better wingers, even if much cheaper ones, but better suited to our system, that would be a huge upgrade, but I do think we have a lot of quality with Garna, Amad, Hojlund and now Zirkzee
Yeah, that's true.
With key signings only really arriving / being match fit after the season started - and the same applying to some of the players in the summer tournaments - then it feels like the season started a bit early for us and we'll have to wait a month or so to get a decent appreciaton of how the team is looking.
If we were going to buy one midfielder this summer, it needed to be a midfielder that was good on the ball and a volume passer. Ugarte would have been an excellent buy along with this type of player.
Don’t think buying Ugarte as the lone CM signing will help us much this season.
I think Ugarte is a good player but the way our squad is set up, I think it will be difficult for him to seriously improve us this season. Hopefully next summer we are able to sign players to cover his weaker areas as I really do believe in the right system he has a lot to offer.
Don’t think buying Ugarte as the lone CM signing will help us much this season.
This is a fair point, you might get attacked for it but it’s a legitimate concern. Many even want him at the expense of Casemiro, who also happens to be an important source of goals and creativity in this team.
I think Ugarte is a good player but the way our squad is set up, I think it will be difficult for him to seriously improve us this season. Hopefully next summer we are able to sign players to cover his weaker areas as I really do believe in the right system he has a lot to offer.
I do agree with the notion we need another midfielder along with this lad, which looks unlucky unfortunately. But he will make a difference and should help make us stronger in the middle where we are so piss weak.
Anyone fancy doing the performance thread? Unfortunately I am in the beaches of Antalya.
Spot on, it became obvious that signing Ugarte was dependant on selling Sancho or McTominay.
Signing him before that would have been a risk of not meeting PSR and hugely irresponsible by the club.
We need a ball playing midfielder too
Ball winner who can play beside Mainoo. Let's hope this works!
The best teams don’t play with specialist ball winners now. Not the ones who dominate possession - Arsenal, City, Real etc. They don’t need them as their tactical set up and quality of defenders negates the need for one.
Our tactical set up is shite and we have inadequate defenders so we actually need a specialist ball winner.
Agree with this. It’s also a point that out midfield has worked very well so far until around the 60th minute, controlling both Fulham and Brighton very well and providing a base for lots of chances vs Fulham and quite a few smaller opportunities against Brighton. The weaknesses were only showing when Case/Mainoo ran out of steam and Mount’s pressing was replaced by Zirkzee’s, who just isn’t so synchronised with the collective press yet.
I’d love to have Ugarte to put on after 60 min against Liverpool. Hopefully Zirkzee is learning our pressing patterns by the day now.
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Ugarte €50m right at the bottom of that list of fees.
Seeing all the above quotes it doesn’t matter if it was a month ago or not it was their initial demand. You can see people’s views at that price.
Getting them to lower those demands is part of negotiating. It’s a bit unfair to cherry pick your beliefs on this and disregard the entire negotiation process from start to finish unless you genuinely believe Ugarte would have been sold for closer to €40m?
€50m + €10m (add ons we dont know full details of) is a very fair price especially given he’s 23, experienced and covers a gap in our squad that needs filling. Again in relation to the fees quoted in the above post it puts him right at the bottom.
Another way to look at this is would you rather have Scott McTominay and €20m or Ugarte in the squad? Which of those two benefits the team most?
I absolutely agree with anyone who says we also need a better passing midfielder too (as our best one is Eriksen and he can’t contribute significantly) but we clearly can’t afford to do that bit of business along with everything else and I suspect the signing of Ugarte is one to enable Mainoo to develop into our progressive CM and worry a bit less about defensive coverage.
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You mean Joan the dishwasher .
In the context of that list, €50m+€10m seems fair.
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Time for a transfer window rate thread?
How come other managers like Postecoglu and Slot can get teams clicking into their style before getting their players in?
Agreed, I had reservation of the club paying the full €60M, but as you said, it ended up thereabouts of what many thought should be given the context of the player.
Nice review.
I watched the video again this morning and noticed it was made last year when he was still at Sporting. In the video, you mentioned a few areas where his game could improve, like progressive passing and crossing. Have you had a chance to see if he's made any progress in those areas while he was at PSG?
Could see a cheap signing if Eriksen leaves.
Ornstein confirmed today that PSG wanted 60M fixed, we negotiated for 50M+10M. Its not a bad deal, but I dont see it as a great bargain/price as some are saying either. I dont care either way now, just glad this saga is over. Its his performances which will tell us whether we got a good deal.
Because they are not shite!
The fee is still far from ideal IMO, and I've discussed his limitations as a player several times in this thread, but the club obviously know way more than any of us in here, and they seem to be sure that Ugarte is the player to go for this summer. I hope he proves me wrong, but I think a new defensive midfielder will still be needed relatively soon, probably next summer, to be honest. I'd also like to see one more midfielder arrive this summer in addition to Ugarte, who's a good passer and can play Mainoo's position in the XI. If that doesn't happen, Mainoo will have to play 50+ games this season, which isn't ideal.
I assume he'll need to get a work permit sorted. I hope that can be done quick time.
Nice video, but 8 wonder why he has been frozen out of the PSG team?
Well yes, but Wilcox delivering the final formalities in Paris yesterday it would seem.
I mean Declan rice exists.
You mention city and Madrid, if we had the depth of quality in every position they have then sure but that's not exactly feasible is it? You can't have a dig at the manager for not having Madrid/city esque players, and it's certainly not because of the way he's inadequately built the team as you say.
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