Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement

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sixdwarf said:
I hate to spill cold water on this but he is a midfielder with few goal involvements to his name. Four assists and no goals in 109 appearances over three years in Portugal and France. And we will in return lose McTominay's goals and assists.

My concerns would go if we were also seeking a creative midfielder. But we are not. Where are the goals coming from?

We managed just 57 goals last season.
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Our lack of goals are a huge concern but they’re not something to consider about Ugarte’s signing in any way. He’s a defensive midfielder.

The inability to score goals isn’t going to be hampered by missing McTominay’s one season of box crashing and back post headers. It’s a stylistic and tactical issue with how we’ve been set up and how we cannot routinely create chances.
 
I'm a bit saddened by the lack of movement in this thread... the here we go was announced way back and still no flight tracker? Are you guys sleeping?
 
Scottynaldinho said:
Is he a starter for PSG. He has no passing range from what I've seen. Reminds me of Schneiderlin.
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Scottynaldinho said:
Don't want us to sign this donkey. We'd be better off promoting and developing someone from the youth setup.
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Scottynaldinho said:
Wasted our budget on a signing that changes nothing. Anyways, welcome abroad Manuel.
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Scottynaldinho said:
For someone who's watched him enough, which current or past players does he compare to?
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What you up to here?
 
He's a great age and has bags of potential

I've been desperate for us to get the right long term partner for Mainoo. If Ugarte and him can click we could very well have a 10 year partnership that sees both realise their potential and really push us on towards the big prizes
 
FrankDrebin said:
How does this player look longterm for us and potentially without ETH?
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Nobody can answer that without the ability to see into the future, but his strengths will remain his strengths and his weaknesses will remain the same.

If the next manager highly values a combative, duel winning mobile young midfielder, he’ll probably fine. If we stumble across a manager who thinks more like Enrique and wants to control the ball a bit more, he might be a bit miffed.

In any case, we’re not normally a club who moves players on after a single season so I’m sure he’s fine for the foreseeable.
 
Devil_forever said:
What we needed in midfield was someone who can control the tempo and spray passes like Scholes, we've not been able to control games in midfield since he retired. I don't know why the club can't see this and identify this profile of player.
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I think your concern has been highlighted by a lot of people, the main reason is the style of play ETH wants to implement does not require controlling midfielder, at our best he wants to emulate Klopp team with Fabinho, Henderson and don't remember the third player, but it was another work horse if i remember correctly. Who used to press high, entice mistakes and hit quickly, but consisted of a good defence and amazing attack (Mane, Firminho and Salah

I believe we have filled some pieces of the puzzle (good defence and Zhirkee (Firmino like), the biggest difference is Mane and Salah they had which were amazing at their best, whereas we have Amad, Rashford, Garnacho etc. I think we will see good football from our team but ultimately our lack of killer instincts and inability to take good decisions (final pass, final cross etc) would be lacking with our forwards and that's why all of our games are close matches (the other team is never blown away, they are always in the match).
 
Ceteris said:
Wasted all this summer to end up paying what they wanted anyway.

We will leave him isolated in midfield and blame him anyway.
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Depends on how achievable the add ons are. It an initial €10 million discount on what PSG wanted, which was their €60 million back.

I also think they wanted to make sure we were getting full value for McTominay before signing another midfielder.

I’m sure everyone involved would have preferred him in straight after the Copa America but these kind of negotiations are part of what we’ll have to go through now to ensure we stop getting ripped off.
 
Pexbo said:
He’s 23 and highly rated. They’ve knocked €10m off what they paid after a season and might recoup it if he’s a success here. At the end of the day they’re a state backed club that would quite happily leave a player on the bench for a season to prove a point. We’ve got a good player at a good price and that’s what matters.





More than a month back? Oh right, I thought we’d be going from when negotiations started rather than some arbitrary period in time which suits you’re miserable narrative best?
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It seems like we really wanted the signing and got it in the end. I am not too bothered about that. However, I don't think we were able to wear them down to a very good price for us as they were able to on the di Maria price from us.

Anyway, it's a minor nuance and me being pedantic. It's important that we got the player and the midfield looks better than it did yesterday. The most important part would be too fit him in the team and get better.
 
Ceteris said:
Wasted all this summer to end up paying what they wanted anyway.

We will leave him isolated in midfield and blame him anyway.
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Firstly, no we didn’t. They wanted €70m at the start of the summer and have agreed €50m + €10m.

Secondly, it looks like this has only been possible because we’ve managed to move McTominay on. We’ve been trying to sell McTominay and Sancho all summer and the likelihood is that we couldn’t do this deal until we had or we’d face some sort of fine down the line.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
I think your concern has been highlighted by a lot of people, the main reason is the style of play ETH wants to implement does not require controlling midfielder, at our best he wants to emulate Klopp team with Fabinho, Henderson and don't remember the third player, but it was another work horse if i remember correctly. Who used to press high, entice mistakes and hit quickly, but consisted of a good defence and amazing attack (Mane, Firminho and Salah

I believe we have filled some pieces of the puzzle (good defence and Zhirkee (Firmino like), the biggest difference is Mane and Salah they had which were amazing at their best, whereas we have Amad, Rashford, Garnacho etc. I think we will see good football from our team but ultimately our lack of killer instincts and inability to take good decisions (final pass, final cross etc) would be lacking with our forwards and that's why all of our games are close matches (the other team is never blown away, they are always in the match).
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Ceteris said:
Wasted all this summer to end up paying what they wanted anyway.

We will leave him isolated in midfield and blame him anyway.
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Ever look on the brightside of life?

They wanted 60M upfront. We have kicked 10 down the road. It's tough to reset the United tax, it'll be done slowly.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Nobody can answer that without the ability to see into the future, but his strengths will remain his strengths and his weaknesses will remain the same.

If the next manager highly values a combative, duel winning mobile young midfielder, he’ll probably fine. If we stumble across a manager who thinks more like Enrique and wants to control the ball a bit more, he might be a bit miffed.

In any case, we’re not normally a club who moves players on after a single season so I’m sure he’s fine for the foreseeable.
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Considering United are all about the longterm now, I'm interested to see where this somewhat specialist player fits in - in all this.
His possession skills need improvement, going by most of his critics.
 
Pexbo said:
Firstly, no we didn’t. They wanted €70m at the start of the summer and have agreed €50m + €10m.

Secondly, it looks like this has only been possible because we’ve managed to move McTominay on. We’ve been trying to sell McTominay and Sancho all summer and the likelihood is that we couldn’t do this deal until we had or we’d face some sort of fine down the line.
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According to Ornstein they wanted 60m euros at the start of the summer. If you want to believe another sauce over him then go for it. It would make no sense for them to want 70m when they spent 60m on him just last summer and clearly wasn't in their long term plans?
 
Ludens the Red said:
Ordinarily if ETH had built this team properly, Ugarte is not a player we’d need. But such is our set up and the numerous players in our team who are seemingly incapable of “ball winning” we almost have to have a player like Ugarte. Hopefully we see a reduction in turn overs and players running through our midfield. Think it’s him and either Casemiro/Mainoo.
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Eh? Ugarte is not the player we need if we built the team properly, but we need a ball winner so we need ugarte?

How's that work?
 
Good signing I hope.

Slight concern is that he's going to start playing for us like a bull in a china shop and he might get his wings clipped with a few yellow/red cards and suspensions.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Considering United are all about the longterm now, I'm interested to see where this somewhat specialist player fits in - in all this.
His possession skills need improvement, going by most of his critics.
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who are the critics you are referring to here? caf posters?
 
Dan_F said:
Depends on how achievable the add ons are. It an initial €10 million discount on what PSG wanted, which was their €60 million back.

I also think they wanted to make sure we were getting full value for McTominay before signing another midfielder.

I’m sure everyone involved would have preferred him in straight after the Copa America but these kind of negotiations are part of what we’ll have to go through now to ensure we stop getting ripped off.
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In bold is the key thing, most likely if we end up paying full price it's because he's been an unquestionable success.
 
YikesSchmeics said:
Ever look on the brightside of life?

They wanted 60M upfront. We have kicked 10 down the road. It's tough to reset the United tax, it'll be done slowly.
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And it's especially hard negotiating with an oil club for who money isn't really an issue. New structure has done exceptionally well this summer.
 
sixdwarf said:
I hate to spill cold water on this but he is a midfielder with few goal involvements to his name. Four assists and no goals in 109 appearances over three years in Portugal and France. And we will in return lose McTominay's goals and assists.

My concerns would go if we were also seeking a creative midfielder. But we are not. Where are the goals coming from?

We managed just 57 goals last season.
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AngeloHenriquez said:
You are thinking too linearly - We will get more goals to our existing roster as Ugarte ensures we retain and win back the ball more often which should result in less goals conceded and more chances
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I think the hope with Ugarte is that he gives us defensive solidity, which means our other midfielders and forwards spend less time trying to stop conceding 20+ shots a game and more time executing their attacking patterns of play in the opposition half. Yes we are sacrificing a midfielder with some goals in him, but it's for a midfielder who will ensure we'll keep a hold of the ball more and will help us play more cohesively as a team - it's then up to our attackers to take advantage of that defensive solidity and higher back line, and I think we have attackers that can take advantage of that.
 
I just hope we sneak it over the line before the scouts realise he's a central midfielder and veto the deal.

I don't know much about him other than he's great at recovering the ball, which is exactly what we need. A player who can break up play and get the ball moving quickly forward to Mainoo, Bruno etc.
 
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