Looking back at videos and games when he played for Sporting, if that's the guy we are getting I'm really looking forward to this signing. Just need to see.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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Damn this place became really negative real quick.
Hope you are all wrong.
Hope you are all wrong.
I also think Wharton would be the best option. Looks like a future star in midfield.
What I dont get is ETH is focussed on getting players who are great in possesion for the backline(Onana, Martinez, Mazraoui, De Ligt), but then in midfield he tries to build a team that is based on transition football(Casemiro, Ugarte, Mount).
If ETH's basketball tactics dont work out, and we get a manager who wants to keep the ball, what happens to players like Ugarte and Mount(not even counting Casemiro and Bruno) and the millions we have spent on them? Do we go into another 3 year rebuild, rinse and repeat?
I feel a lot of people think buying a pure defense focussed DM will fix the tactical issues Ten Hag has brought on with leaving massive gaps in midfield. That might end up not happening, and then Ten Hag gets sacked, and we are stuck with a #6 we just bought on a massive fee, who has big question marks on the ball.
This is why you should target players who are well rounded and have both physical and technical abilities, and are good both on and off the ball, not limited players. I'm worried about the present and future of our midfield, 200M+ spent on it, and still feels like it needs a total overhaul.
Imo, we should be moving away from players who only excel in one aspect of the game, and need other players to "unlock" them. Players like AWB, McTominay.
You get Ugarte, you need to have a fantastic ball player beside him. You play Eriksen, and you need a god like DM next to him because he cant run. The problem arises when this unicorn player gets injured, and our whole system/style collapes.
I would rather get players who are more well rounded(like Mainoo, Lavia, Amadou Onana, Joao Neves), players who dont have massive gaps in their technical/physical ability, and dont need other players to over compensate for them.
Don't think he will help that much honestly, beyond providing depth.
He will add more intensity to our press and cover more ground than Casemiro. But yeah he won't magically make our football better or help us dominate games, not that type of player.
Jesus fecking Christ get it done or move on, we needed midfielders before last season ended and we are still here without anyone.
It's pants
It's pants
I think it boils down to not trusting the manager and how he sets things up. Partly running down the player for not being what they want the manager to want. Partly anticipating another EL tier season and drawing the knives out already.
We currently don’t have any midfielder that is particularly good at tackling and intercepting. We desperately need it, and Ugartes stats suggests he is really good at it. Kobbie and Casemiro is not a great partnership
I’m really shocked at some of the takes on here regarding Ugarte. As someone that has watched him a load of times for Sporting, the player described above is not the one I remember.
Yes Ugarte’s main appeal and strength is his fitness levels and ability to cover ground. He times tackles amazingly well and is a great disrupter and presser. However he most definitely is not poor in possession. The Ugarte I watched was a player with fabulous technique able to wriggle out of tight spots- very press resistant. He also has really good expansive passes. He’s able to switch the play with beautiful long balls finding players in space. The other thing I really liked about him was his ability to drive forwards into space- taking out three or four players with his pace.
Ugarte is 100% the player United need and I am delighted we’ve gone for him!
Yes Ugarte’s main appeal and strength is his fitness levels and ability to cover ground. He times tackles amazingly well and is a great disrupter and presser. However he most definitely is not poor in possession. The Ugarte I watched was a player with fabulous technique able to wriggle out of tight spots- very press resistant. He also has really good expansive passes. He’s able to switch the play with beautiful long balls finding players in space. The other thing I really liked about him was his ability to drive forwards into space- taking out three or four players with his pace.
Ugarte is 100% the player United need and I am delighted we’ve gone for him!
Danilo? Far more injured you mean. He got wrecked in the opening match
Rashford
Is he really that bad on the ball?
from the players you mentioned, only J.Neves is the elite one so far based on his stats last season, Mainoo & Lavia are young themselves but not elite yet, and Onana is good but again not an elite DM/CM himself, Ugarte is closer to being above average to decent on the ball and is excellent defensively, I do not think he is as bad as McTominay or inconsistent as Fred, he passes safely most of time and keeps it ticking.
he's not available though unless we're entertaining silly money, which evidently isn't the case nowadays
it'd be like the over-paying for Maguire, AWB and the likes all over again
we can't just rock up at lower table clubs and take their best players like we did decades ago without overpaying massively
Yeah I'd say quite a lot. Did Beckham get better after the 98/99 season? There's always somebody who will argue a point but if he did it was negligible.
Somebody pointed out Rashford but you could add Martial to that.
McTominay? I suppose you could say last season he added more goals but equally I'd say his passing has actually regressed from 23.
Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Rooney, there really are loads.
Looks like we're paying what we want again.
Sounds like we have negotiated it down to 51 million euros.
Oh no all the haters in the thread will be gutted
I wouldnt call him bad on the ball, rather safe and limited. None of those players I mentioned are "elite", but like I said I would rather than well rounded players who are solid 8s at most things, rather than players who are more specialised and have obvious flaws.
AWB was "elite" at tackling, but I would take steady Mazraoui over him anyday.
The lower price was inevitable. The guys isn't even wanted by PSG. Let's hope he's a good signing for us. I don't know much about him but from what I've read/heard it's the right profile of signing we could do with (although his ability on the ball is under question) but a big upgrade squad wise, with McT leaving.
I think he’ll be a great addition to the team. Frustrating how long this all took though as maybe if he was playing against Brighton we’d have gotten at least a point.
Hopefully he’s worth waiting for.
Hopefully he’s worth waiting for.
I hope the Cafe's 'flight trackers' are standing by...
Sounds like we've negotiated it down again. Magic.
So is everyone happy now that they've reduced the price?
Calling anyone who is not confident about a signing a "hater", is so childish, kinda pathetic
More so when we have a track record of signing players like Mount, Antony, Casemiro, Sancho etc, its not like we have a flawless record on transfers..were people who doubted those transfers haters too? Do you need to blindly support every decision United makes to be a top red?
Also makes zero sense. Someone who doesnt rate Ugarte would be hoping we dont spend too much money on him.
Edit : wait arent you the guy who had a major metldown when FdJ deal collapsed? Now its starting to make sense
This is so close now. Soooo close.
Knew you wouldn't resist bitingCalling anyone who is not confident about a signing a "hater", is so childish, kinda pathetic
More so when we have a track record of signing players like Mount, Antony, Casemiro, Sancho etc, its not like we have a flawless record on transfers..were people who doubted those transfers haters too? Do you need to blindly support every decision United makes to be a top red?
Also makes zero sense. Someone who doesnt rate Ugarte would be hoping we dont spend too much money on him.
Edit : wait arent you the guy who had a major metldown when FdJ deal collapsed? Now its starting to make sense
52M euros(44M pounds), is not a bad deal if it happens. Much more palatable than the 50M+ fee that was rumored.
Hopefully we can get him in soon, and he hits the ground running.
Debut against Liverpool, we need some fight that day
So £43m
Not sure anyone can moan about that
Not sure anyone can moan about that
Ashworth and co don't.Calling anyone who is not confident about a signing a "hater", is so childish, kinda pathetic
More so when we have a track record of signing players like Mount, Antony, Casemiro, Sancho etc, its not like we have a flawless record on transfers..were people who doubted those transfers haters too? Do you need to blindly support every decision United makes to be a top red?
Also makes zero sense. Someone who doesnt rate Ugarte would be hoping we dont spend too much money on him.
Edit : wait arent you the guy who had a major metldown when FdJ deal collapsed? Now its starting to make sense
So you were wumming/baiting on purpose? Pretty sad if you ask meKnew you wouldn't resist biting
You know we have actual top football people doing our business now with a clear project going as opposed to Glazers, right?Calling anyone who is not confident about a signing a "hater", is so childish, kinda pathetic
More so when we have a track record of signing players like Mount, Antony, Casemiro, Sancho etc, its not like we have a flawless record on transfers..were people who doubted those transfers haters too? Do you need to blindly support every decision United makes to be a top red?
Also makes zero sense. Someone who doesnt rate Ugarte would be hoping we dont spend too much money on him.
Edit : wait arent you the guy who had a major metldown when FdJ deal collapsed? Now its starting to make sense
They have targeted him for a reason. They are excellent at their job, so why are you questioning it so much? Wouldn't it be better to wait and see how he plays for us before spouting out this negativity for the past two months?
From the stats and the highlights I've seen, I would think Ugarte would be fine in a more possession-focused style. Maybe not quite to the extent that someone like Pep would demand, but you don't need all three midfielders to be amazing on the ball to control and dominate against the vast majority of teams.
However the other two midfielders would have to be more controlling than what we currently have. Having Bruno and Ugarte as two of the midfielders probably wouldn't work in a team that wants to dominate. It'd likely end up having to be Mainoo pushed further forward, with Ugarte partnering somebody who is more of a deeper playmaker. Where Bruno fits in though, who knows.
With the players that he's buying, it seems like ETH wants to play like Liverpool did under Klopp five or so years ago. The midfield is the more hard-working, hard-pressing group of players, while the defence and attackers bring more of the creativity and control. Mainoo is a bit of the odd one out there, plus we also need the Henderson role filled (who was decent as the deeper playmaker even though he wasn't world-class at it). But it's that style that Ugarte and likely Mount would have fit in perfectly.
Absolutely mate, incredibly sad.
@UnofficialDevil is buzzing
Yeah yet. Fingers crossed on that front, I've been happy with the negotiation mostly with what happened so far in this window, but its still too early to call it eitherway
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