If Ugarte really is the missing piece that unlocks everything we should have done this deal two months ago.
I agree we can bring him in either way. But what the tweet is pointing at is McT sale would allow us to go for a permanent transfer, which PSG prefers. PSG are in no rush clearly, they can wait 4-5 days and if it doesn't materialise then accept the loan+obligation option.sigh, we were going to close the deal on a loan with obligation to buy. Selling mcT allows us to buy him now. regardless selling mcT or not doesnt stop us buying ugarte.
If Ugarte really is the missing piece that unlocks everything we should have done this deal two months ago.
This game is boring. Do I list one that has improved?Michael Owen
If Ugarte really is the missing piece that unlocks everything we should have done this deal two months ago.
Has a footballer stopped developing their game at 23?
The first name that came to my head was also Michael Owen but that's probably not accurate since he did develop in a way.Has a footballer stopped developing their game at 23?
Exactly. He seems to be a good DM who sticks to his DM role well. He won't fix our play but he will add to our midfield defense and physicality well.He isn't. There is no missing piece that unlocks everything.
He might be one of many pieces that gets the team to where our new owners want. Which is challenging for major trophies in about three years' time. And given that's the timeframe, those two months make little difference.
Thank you. For at least engaging and offering an opinion.The first name that came to my head was also Michael Owen but that's probably not accurate since he did develop in a way.
To your actual point, yeah for a midfielder, 23 is very young. But we start a 19-year-old and he's really good, so that probably is warping some perceptions. Ugarte should well get better which is exciting, because he was already good enough to replace Palhinha at Sporting aged 21. He did pretty well in England.
Guess his tweet tomorrowHe must’ve said this exact same thing every day for about a month.
Pleased we are finally getting this sorted. Will certainly help make us more difficult to play against / through.
Feel like we need 1 more attacker / striker though.
This idea that we will compete in 3 years is very difficult to understand - especially considering the spine of our team barring the striker are either in their prime or nearing it. You want a young team with the spine growing together for it to make sense that in 3 years they will have matured enough and have played together enough to then compete at the highest level with the additional sprinkling of a couple of superstars - much like what we have done in the past or what Arsenal are doing currently.He isn't. There is no missing piece that unlocks everything.
He might be one of many pieces that gets the team to where our new owners want. Which is challenging for major trophies in about three years' time. And given that's the timeframe, those two months make little difference.
Yoro and Mainoo are young players nowhere near their prime and part of the long-term spine, along with Hojlund and Zirkzee.This idea that we will compete in 3 years is very difficult to understand - especially considering the spine of our team barring the striker are either in their prime or nearing it. You want a young team with the spine growing together for it to make sense that in 3 years they will have matured enough and have played together enough to then compete at the highest level with the additional sprinkling of a couple of superstars - much like what we have done in the past or what Arsenal are doing currently.
We don’t seem to be like that at this moment. Our best player would be past his peak or near that. Our current backline would be past or near 30. It’s not the end of the world, but you don’t start dominating for a long time with your best players past their best or nearing their sell by date.
We should be getting a coach in now who will mould this current team to compete by next year. I don’t understand this 3 year horizon when we don’t even have the right man at the helm at the moment.
Pleased we are finally getting this sorted. Will certainly help make us more difficult to play against / through.
Feel like we need 1 more attacker / striker though.
Yeah if we can shift Sancho and get another winger in it will be a fantastic summer.
Think we'll bring in at least Ugarte and try a cheeky bid for someone else on deadline day.There is a question of what we want, and what we have room for in the squad.
We have 6 attackers for 3 position already in Hojlund, Zirkzee, Rashford, Antony, Amad and Garnacho. There is realistically no room for another big signing without stockpiling players who won't play any significant games.
Now, would I love for us to sell Rashford and Antony and bring in 2 new attackers? Sure. But we know it's not happening.
What we need to be focusing on for now is bringing players in where we can realistically create space. Shipping out Mctominay and Eriksen creates space for 2 new midfielders. Ugarte should not be our last midfield signing.
Amad and Garnacho are not part of the spine. Our current spine is Onana, Martinez + De Ligt/Yoro, midfield of Bruno/Cas/Mainoo, Hojlund. So you can clearly see the spine is not really as young as you would think that in 3 years time they would be maturing together. In fact our best player would be 32 at that point.Yoro and Mainoo are young players nowhere near their prime and part of the long-term spine, along with Hojlund and Zirkzee.
Toss in Garnacho and Amad on the wings and I would think it was pretty obvious we're building for the future.
Yoro, Mainoo, Hojlund, and Zirkzee are top young players who will play together and mature at the same time. That's building a spine for the future. We can't just skip the part where they play together and develop, hence the whole 3 years time thing.Amad and Garnacho are not part of the spine. Our current spine is Onana, Martinez + De Ligt/Yoro, midfield of Bruno/Cas/Mainoo, Hojlund. So you can clearly see the spine is not really as young as you would think that in 3 years time they would be maturing together. In fact our best player would be 32 at that point.
I am just saying you don’t suddenly get a new spine and compete in 3 years. Just take a look ar most top teams and their spine is either world class players at their peak or are top young players who have played together and maturing at the same time. Ours is not in either situation at the moment.
This idea that we will compete in 3 years is very difficult to understand - especially considering the spine of our team barring the striker are either in their prime or nearing it. You want a young team with the spine growing together for it to make sense that in 3 years they will have matured enough and have played together enough to then compete at the highest level with the additional sprinkling of a couple of superstars - much like what we have done in the past or what Arsenal are doing currently.
We don’t seem to be like that at this moment. Our best player would be past his peak or near that. Our current backline would be past or near 30. It’s not the end of the world, but you don’t start dominating for a long time with your best players past their best or nearing their sell by date.
We should be getting a coach in now who will mould this current team to compete by next year. I don’t understand this 3 year horizon when we don’t even have the right man at the helm at the moment.
We're hearing very little about Eriksen leaving, and no talk about bringing another midfielder in. The midfielders we've been linked to seem to be us trying to signal to PSG that we have alternatives to Ugarte if they don't lower their demands. There's very little suggestion that we're looking at another midfielder after Ugarte.Think we'll bring in at least Ugarte and try a cheeky bid for someone else on deadline day.
If that doesn't work out then I'm sure we'll take a hard look at the free agent market
Same here. We'll need Ugarte to be useful player for another coach/style of play and not just under a manager that could be gone in few months.I was very bullish on this transfer, probably still am, but yesterday did a lot to cool my enthusiasm. He is needed to keep the press and shore up the midfield, but also clearly not enough. And I'm hoping that once Ten Hag is sacked, the club finally gets a proper possession coach and puts an end to this counterattacking nonsense. I hope Ugarte can fit in then as well.
This idea that we will compete in 3 years is very difficult to understand - especially considering the spine of our team barring the striker are either in their prime or nearing it. You want a young team with the spine growing together for it to make sense that in 3 years they will have matured enough and have played together enough to then compete at the highest level with the additional sprinkling of a couple of superstars - much like what we have done in the past or what Arsenal are doing currently.
We don’t seem to be like that at this moment. Our best player would be past his peak or near that. Our current backline would be past or near 30. It’s not the end of the world, but you don’t start dominating for a long time with your best players past their best or nearing their sell by date.
We should be getting a coach in now who will mould this current team to compete by next year. I don’t understand this 3 year horizon when we don’t even have the right man at the helm at the moment.
Replace Casemiro with Ugarte and the average age of that spine would be 23.8 years old with only 2 being over 26 That spine definitely isn't as old as you seem to be implying.Our current spine is Onana, Martinez + De Ligt/Yoro, midfield of Bruno/Cas/Mainoo, Hojlund. So you can clearly see the spine is not really as young as you would think
Amad and Garnacho are not part of the spine. Our current spine is Onana, Martinez + De Ligt/Yoro, midfield of Bruno/Cas/Mainoo, Hojlund. So you can clearly see the spine is not really as young as you would think that in 3 years time they would be maturing together. In fact our best player would be 32 at that point.
I am just saying you don’t suddenly get a new spine and compete in 3 years. Just take a look ar most top teams and their spine is either world class players at their peak or are top young players who have played together and maturing at the same time. Ours is not in either situation at the moment.
Not positive about anything mate, until this manager is rid off together with the likes of Bruno, Rashford and Casemiro. Fed up with themI was very bullish on this transfer, probably still am, but yesterday did a lot to cool my enthusiasm. He is needed to keep the press and shore up the midfield, but also clearly not enough. And I'm hoping that once Ten Hag is sacked, the club finally gets a proper possession coach and puts an end to this counterattacking nonsense. I hope Ugarte can fit in then as well.
Hate to sour the good attitude but those three ain’t going anywhere as rashford signed a £350k contract just last year, bruno no idea what he’s on but won’t be small change for his new one and Case has a few years to go on his behemoth contractNot positive about anything mate, until this manager is rid off together with the likes of Bruno, Rashford and Casemiro. Fed up with them
It’s a probably a distant memory for some, but I remember the relief of seeing Maguire stripped of the captaincy.Hate to sour the good attitude but those three ain’t going anywhere as rashford signed a £350k contract just last year, bruno no idea what he’s on but won’t be small change for his new one and Case has a few years to go on his behemoth contract
Any other club could flog them to Saudi for £1m a week I’m sure, but we’ll have to pay them to leave
I think take the captaincy off Bruno and we might see something we can all put up with - but I hate seeing him with that captains arm band on
Annoying but true. I was hoping we didn’t give Bruno a contract and let him leave for the right fee. I just don’t think we will be able to play cohesive dominant football with him in the side.Hate to sour the good attitude but those three ain’t going anywhere as rashford signed a £350k contract just last year, bruno no idea what he’s on but won’t be small change for his new one and Case has a few years to go on his behemoth contract
Any other club could flog them to Saudi for £1m a week I’m sure, but we’ll have to pay them to leave
I think take the captaincy off Bruno and we might see something we can all put up with - but I hate seeing him with that captains arm band on
I think most people accepted that this season and the build up to it was about getting the support structures in place and doing some business in the transfer window. Nobody expected a complete rebuild of the first team squad. Rome wasn’t built in a dayWe're hearing very little about Eriksen leaving, and no talk about bringing another midfielder in. The midfielders we've been linked to seem to be us trying to signal to PSG that we have alternatives to Ugarte if they don't lower their demands. There's very little suggestion that we're looking at another midfielder after Ugarte.
Frankly, given how bad our midfield was last season it's criminal there hasn't been a complete rebuild of this area. It's extremely concerning they think 1 midfield signing is enough.
We've gone into the new season with weaker midfield options than last season. We seem to do this every summer where we suffer bad results in the first 3 games of the season because we can't get our transfer business done early. 2 quality midfielders signed earlier in the window and we likely win that game yesterday. De Ligt not having any pre-season and so sat on the bench is another example of how not getting business done early costs us. These are points that could cost us come the end of the season.
I think most people with a brain did..I think most people accepted that this season and the build up to it was about getting the support structures in place and doing some business in the transfer window. Nobody expected a complete rebuild of the first team squad. Rome wasn’t built in a day
There is still a fair few transfer zombies around who think we should be after 2x midfielders, a winger, a striker and a left backI think most people with a brain did..
It's not that bad a game actually.This game is boring. Do I list one that has improved?
To answer your question more directly: yes, many midfielders and forwards especially don't develop much further after 23.The question was do players stop developing at 23? And your answer was, bizarrely, “Marcus Rashford”
I’m sure you’re capable of actually pulling together a coherent response so I’m bewildered as to why you didn’t.
