Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement

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zenith said:
It's hardly a big gap in valuation if reports are to be trusted. Around 8 million pounds is a problem whose solution should be relativity easy to find.
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It should have been easy to find, you just put it on achievable add-ons, but here you have a situation where there is some left over bitterness over the sale of the club on the Qatari side, another clear indication of why states shouldn't own teams, and there is a determination to 'win' the negotiations. We should have moved on from this a long time ago.

From the looks of things he is limited to a role that Collyer, with his limitations, can fulfill and could be redundant for us in a couple of years when our youngsters mature and start to do what he does and what he can't. So he could be another expensive and difficult to move on contract by 2026. The immediate benefit is not worth the overall cost like we saw with Casemiro.
 
antohan said:
Are Napoli in for him? They sure are in for Osimhen.
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Yes according to Fabrizios post on X, we have received a formal proposal of 25 mill euros. He does not say we rejected it, but adds it's not enough to proceed because we want excess of 30 mill Euros. Sky are also saying Napoli are making that offer and are also exploring a loan with obligation to buy, so it does seem to be moving in that direction.
 
moodyred said:
Fully agree with you on this. We back down now and it will impact all future negotiations.
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Ofcourse it wont.. There is nothing wrong overpaying a bit for a player you really want... It also show for the player that you really want him. The problem before was we did it all the time.. Now we might have overpaid for 1 in 5 and thats not bad is not bad.
 
AneRu said:
That we need, let's not kid ourselves but I think the direction we are taking for the time being is what Liverpool did circa 2018-21 before they morphed into a possession side. A super pressing side that generates chances from winning the ball high, that seems to be his overarching vision here. Ugarte will help this and we could see Mainoo sitting as the anchor and the former joining the counter press.
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It doesn't work well though, they moved away from it because it doesn't last at all.
 
Does it concern anyone how slow we are in our transfer dealings, having to wait till deadline day all the time, while efficiently run clubs like Liverpool get their job done early into pre-season and integrate their players better?

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bringbackbebe said:
Does it concern anyone how slow we are in our transfer dealings, having to wait till deadline day all the time, while efficiently run clubs like Liverpool get their job done early into pre-season and integrate their players better?

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Liverpool have done it so well this summer it’s almost like they haven’t signed anyone. Seamless :(
 
bringbackbebe said:
Does it concern anyone how slow we are in our transfer dealings, having to wait till deadline day all the time, while efficiently run clubs like Liverpool get their job done early into pre-season and integrate their players better?

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:lol: Knew there’d be a white text because of the huge gap after your post, should have had it next to the question mark ;)
 
bringbackbebe said:
Does it concern anyone how slow we are in our transfer dealings, having to wait till deadline day all the time, while efficiently run clubs like Liverpool get their job done early into pre-season and integrate their players better?

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I've heard we're still using fax machines.
 
He sounds like a Fred, with all the positives and limitations. Is he really worth 60 million?
 
Donut said:
He sounds like a Fred, with all the positives and limitations. Is he really worth 60 million?
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I don’t think he has half the limitations of Fred, his pass completion is very high which I would imagine would’ve been most people’s complaints about Fred when he was here.
If Fred didn’t give the ball away half the time I don’t think Ten Hag would’ve been in a rush to get rid of him, when he was on form he looked great.
 
This will probably go through at the very end of transfer window and Ugarte will be our final signing of the season. Zirkzee, Yoro, de Ligt, Mazraoui, Ugarte seems like a very good window.
 
Donut said:
He sounds like a Fred, with all the positives and limitations. Is he really worth 60 million?
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He's really nothing like him.

Fred's biggest problem for us was we bought him as a DM whereas he was actually a sort of high-energy technically limited attacking midfielder, or at the very least box-to-box. Ugarte is absolutely a specialist DM, no question.

Fred was an inaccurate passer. Ugarte is in the top percentiles for passing volume and accuracy.

Fred was easily pressed. Ugarte is good at retaining possession under pressure and stepping into space before releasing the ball.

Fred was a good harrier but not defensively reliable. His positioning left spaces open. He was easily beaten and run past. His tackling was loose. Ugarte is a brick wall.

Fred was actually often at his best getting involved in attacking play, especially in transition. Ugarte isn't an attacking player and rarely steps far out of his own half except when carrying the ball through the press. His passing is almost never progressive - he releases the ball quickly and simply to more attacking players.
 
Brightonian said:
He's really nothing like him.

Fred's biggest problem for us was we bought him as a DM whereas he was actually a sort of high-energy technically limited attacking midfielder, or at the very least box-to-box. Ugarte is absolutely a specialist DM, no question.

Fred was an inaccurate passer. Ugarte is in the top percentiles for passing volume and accuracy.

Fred was easily pressed. Ugarte is good at retaining possession under pressure and stepping into space before releasing the ball.

Fred was a good harrier but not defensively reliable. His positioning left spaces open. He was easily beaten and run past. His tackling was loose. Ugarte is a brick wall.

Fred was actually often at his best getting involved in attacking play, especially in transition. Ugarte isn't an attacking player and rarely steps far out of his own half except when carrying the ball through the press. His passing is almost never progressive - he releases the ball quickly and simply to more attacking players.
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Thank you for this, you have helped me stop thinking about this comparison. :lol:
 
Donut said:
He sounds like a Fred, with all the positives and limitations. Is he really worth 60 million?
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We thought the real Fred was worth 52m 6 years ago, he can’t be as bad a deal as that surely.
 
Brightonian said:
He's really nothing like him.

Fred's biggest problem for us was we bought him as a DM whereas he was actually a sort of high-energy technically limited attacking midfielder, or at the very least box-to-box. Ugarte is absolutely a specialist DM, no question.

Fred was an inaccurate passer. Ugarte is in the top percentiles for passing volume and accuracy.

Fred was easily pressed. Ugarte is good at retaining possession under pressure and stepping into space before releasing the ball.

Fred was a good harrier but not defensively reliable. His positioning left spaces open. He was easily beaten and run past. His tackling was loose. Ugarte is a brick wall.

Fred was actually often at his best getting involved in attacking play, especially in transition. Ugarte isn't an attacking player and rarely steps far out of his own half except when carrying the ball through the press. His passing is almost never progressive - he releases the ball quickly and simply to more attacking players.
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I agree with a lot of this but stuff like leaving his position open and loose tacking can easily apply to Ugarte.

Fred's pass completion stats were actually very good while mixing it up much more than Ugarte's as you said.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I agree, but from ten Hag's point of view, I can only imagine this is why he wants to bring more dynamism into the team, and Ugarte ticks that box.
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Well, I hope it works. I really think he needs a new DM though to even stand a chance.
 
Didn’t Romano hint that “here we go” day would be within 3 days a few days ago? Could be today?
 
AarhusUnited said:
Ofcourse it wont.. There is nothing wrong overpaying a bit for a player you really want... It also show for the player that you really want him. The problem before was we did it all the time.. Now we might have overpaid for 1 in 5 and thats not bad is not bad.
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Which is why extra effort is needed to communicate this to all sellers. We have been overpaying for years and now we need to purposefully let them know it's no longer the same united. Wish we didn't have to do this but it think we unfortunately have to do so due to past mismanagement. You say you are OK to overpay for one and everyone will start holding out.

Give it another season or two and we can start overpaying for one or two.
 
Jim Beam said:
Was just thinking the same today :lol: Amortization cafe
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All these boring accountants have finally found something other people will listen to.

it was fine at first, but every thread there’s someone talking about amortization makes me chuckle.
 
Idxomer said:
I agree with a lot of this but stuff like leaving his position open and loose tacking can easily apply to Ugarte.

Fred's pass completion stats were actually very good while mixing it up much more than Ugarte's as you said.
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I miss Fred.

Fred was more useful when attacking. Extremely hardworking and all over the pitch for 90 mins. He would hit ambitious passes off either foot. Cons he was easily dispossessed and his passing sometimes got us into trouble. Was never a DM. He would leave gaps when going up pressing high.

Ugarte is much stronger and harder to knock off the ball. Not as ambitious with the passing. Can dribble aggressively through the press and win the ball as high up as you want.

Both players have pros and cons. I think Ugarte is perfect physically for the PL though and he will be more secure on the ball. More fans will like Ugarte for his all action and uncompromising style
 
Doesn't look like we are getting the breakthrough on matchday this time, so it's on to next week then
 
moodyred said:
Which is why extra effort is needed to communicate this to all sellers. We have been overpaying for years and now we need to purposefully let them know it's no longer the same united. Wish we didn't have to do this but it think we unfortunately have to do so due to past mismanagement. You say you are OK to overpay for one and everyone will start holding out.

Give it another season or two and we can start overpaying for one or two.
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If we'd have just gone in and signed him for the fee they're requesting no one would have even considered it 'overpaying' as it's not a significant fee. If anything we've created the situation where we might be seen as weak by giving in now

I don't disagree we need to communicate we're looking to be more prudent but we could do it a lot smarter than trying to make a statement on a key priority position. You can make that same statement in other positions where not signing someone is no big deal.
 
Smores said:
If we'd have just gone in and signed him for the fee they're requesting no one would have even considered it 'overpaying' as it's not a significant fee. If anything we've created the situation where we might be seen as weak by giving in now

I don't disagree we need to communicate we're looking to be more prudent but we could do it a lot smarter than trying to make a statement on a key priority position. You can make that same statement in other positions where not signing someone is no big deal.
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Yeah that's actually a very good point, least we know with INEOS they work on bank holidays unlike the previous regime. So hopefully it picks up pace in early part of next week, would say he has to be here by around Wednesday to get any training in before scousers. Any later than that and I see him being sat up in the stands.
 
Smores said:
If we'd have just gone in and signed him for the fee they're requesting no one would have even considered it 'overpaying' as it's not a significant fee. If anything we've created the situation where we might be seen as weak by giving in now

I don't disagree we need to communicate we're looking to be more prudent but we could do it a lot smarter than trying to make a statement on a key priority position. You can make that same statement in other positions where not signing someone is no big deal.
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It is just one summer so it is hard to infer it's absolutely a policy but I think the prudence is expressed by only pursuing players up to 60m or so. But that was apparently what the executive we snapped off City was doing over there.

Someone much attentive will know if we really had a bunch of explicit statements about "overpaying" or if it is all exegesis on the ebb and flow of transfer musings.
 
This is a must signing right now. Casemiro looks knackered already and he's our only DM. What are we supposed to do when we start playing 2 games a week?
 
Ugarte is not enough. We need 2 players .. We cant go into the season with 3 players for 2 positions
 
pratyush_utd said:
Ugarte is not enough. We need 2 players .. We cant go into the season with 3 players for 2 positions
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I wonder if we’re trying to shift some wages before getting Rabiot in as well. Must be a reason he hasn’t signed for anyone yet
 
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