You reckon they’ve been negotiating payment structure for the whole summer? PSG apparently haven’t paid Sporting a penny yet and I would imagine they are looking to pay off that €60 million that they owe. They don’t need upfront payment given their owners.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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Move on to another target. That’s what well run clubs do.
Let's unleash him against Liverpool..
Hope he will kick a few of them
Hope he will kick a few of them
Yeah I feel like he's a proper Atletico Madrid style defensive midfielder... Which is a good sign for us.
There's no one who's perfect.
Youssouf Fofana cost 17m. Berge cost 25m. Trust me, there's no point in convincing yourself that Ugarte is a 51m player whilst not even being better than 90% of the midfielders we could've got in the 15-35m range.
I promise I'll never forget the importance of a dirty bastard in midfield!!
and one or two in defence too!
Where do you come up with this nonsense? Ugarte tops several stat categories.
Ugarte will probably improve us. But from everything I've seen so far, he's a floor-raiser with a limited ceiling. This has been my point ever since we've been linked with him. He's far too expensive for what he provides, both short-term and especially long-term. Wages will be high too.
It's golf that has the idiosyncratic usage. 'Par' was used to define an 'average level of quality.' Golf has a scoring system where the further below the average you get the better you do.
And?
Are they even dms?
Do you think Fofana or Berge would have raised the floor level as much as Ugarte? I'm not well versed, but what £15m-35m players are his level?
Alot of people don't seem to be able to grasp this, Ugarte is an elite pure DM.
Fair enough if you want a more rounded CM, but Ugarte is uniquely specialised.
Considering how outspoken you are about how little you rate him, I'm curious how much you've actually watched him play?
We’re in the advanced concluding final closing stages! Ugarte is pushing so so hard. Mendes is pushing too and at the other end Dan Ashworth is tugging!
Or he could just be a load of English hype and also have a bang average season this year.
And ain't that the truth. I think a pure destroyer will be good for this team and allow kobbie to focus further forward. I'm happy for him to cover ground and shield back four and just give the ball to better players like kobbie and bruno to create.
Thats how I'm seeing it tbh.
Jermaine Jenas is free
He isnt limited as much as you have convinced yourself he is but also he is 23. Not 29. He will improve. Was Rodri this good when City got him?
That's the plan.
Plus our defenders are all good passers now. Yoro, De Ligt and Mazraoui have raised the level of our defensive passing.
We can start the improved passing from the back line and get the ball forward quickly to Mainoo / Bruno / wingers.
Fact.id easily pay the 60m for a young dM who can cover ground and help decrease all them shots we conceded last season.
Agreed - on the assumption that the alternative target has the same qualities and is available for cheaper. This isn't always the case. I asked the question earlier in the thread around who folks felt were cheaper but similar alternatives. If there's none (not saying that's the case but could be), it might be why Ashworth and Co are having to concede ground.
Bet after all the moaning in here, we don’t end up paying this €60m being touted today and it’s actually closer to what we are demanding.
I feel like we're edging closer and closer to the end of this saga.
Waiting for another Romano update any second now - “agreement really really close, urgate pushing hard, personal terms agreed. Only wants United “ this man has the easiest job on the planet
The exciting thing is that we will only be even closer tomorrow. No backwards steps now.
Talk of the Devils podcast are still saying that there won't be any more signings without a sale.
So I doubt this is 'imminent' if we're still waiting on notoriously tight Napoli to put £25m together for McTominay.
So I doubt this is 'imminent' if we're still waiting on notoriously tight Napoli to put £25m together for McTominay.
Hope so, but even if it is then it won't be reported that way anyway,
I can feel the Ugarte / Merino comparisons warming up...
It’s being well advocated here that we don’t need to sell to buy. We are still within the PSR limits.
Yeah that’s obvious bollocks considering it’s an initial loan probably.
I guess they mean cash flow.
The only one I trust for fees is Ornstein and he has been quiet on this, no? I will wait and see.
I haven't seen anyone say that who is as reliable as the Athletic podcast guys. If Ornstein says we don't need to sell to buy then I'll take it.
It's what they said. Makes sense if they want to keep the wage bill down too. We have too many players on the payroll, including ones who never actually play like Shaw.
I don't think anyone that's actually watched Wharton and rates him gives a feck about him being English. He's rated highly because players that excel in what he does well at that age are extremely difficult to find. Athletic, physical midfielders with excellent passing and IQ are gems that need to be snapped up quickly.
I got your point, it was simple and basic and my response was obvious but I will repeat it, many players are signed for huge fees simply because of the their potential or current ability, it's normal to say that a player is worth the fee at the time of the transfer, such player might then become a resounding success (e.g. CR7 to Madrid) or a huge flop (e.g. Coutinho to Barca) or anything in between, those opinions at the time are based many factors mostly potential, current ability and demand.
Just in this summer window, I think Yoro is worth the total €70M the club stumped for him, or Sancho when he was signed, many people looked at this performances with BvB and thought he can do it here, on the other hand we all thought Antony was not worth the €95m, he could've been a success and we might have thought well he was worth it retrospectively because he did well.
For Ugarte, obviously we are going by what's reported and we will see how it goes when the deal is concluded, but if the reports are to be believed (PSG demanding €70M or €60M and us accepting a deal worth that much) then I think it's an overpayment, some posters think that way and others don't and that's ok.
Anyway nothing is confirmed now so our discussion might be moot.
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