I’m also not fully convinced by him being our main 6 but it’s all based on a few clips and given the sorry state of our midfield I can’t help but feel some excitement.
Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement
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From 2015/16?
From what I understand he isn’t as good a passer or going forward in general but he might be a better dribbler in tight spots and his Kante like interceptions and ball winning is probably better. He’s more of a chaser than a sitter. Again, my hunch is based on clips and stats I see posted here.
Very excited for this to be done. He looks exactly like the type of player that will complement the rest of our team - someone with a bit of bite to stop people walking clean through our midfield.
Hope we can get it over the line.
Hope we can get it over the line.
It's bloody weird as I also love mince, never understood it.
One of the greatest dishes. And yes, mince should actually mean something is great. I've no idea why it is meant in slang as terrible.
It's not the same people "moaning" about this. I was on board with every signing so far and yet don't want Ugarte. I'm sure there are others like me as well.
"can't even start for the Dutch" "Bayern reject" "benched by Dier" etc. these are obviously nonsense comments and anyone who reasons with these shouldn't be listened to as it's clear they don't know what they're talking about...but with Ugarte you just need to analyze the player a bit and watch some footage, and it becomes evident he's not ideal. Would probably be an alright signing for 30-35m but 51 is above even peak value.
Ugarte stop teasing us like that...
Should've said pish
If it happens this window, it'll definitely be done in the next 8 days
Ok, who is the ideal attainable midfield signing for this united team?
Their asset will be decreasing in value if they don’t need him. Theres no way they’re getting more money if he’s not starting games for them this year.
Of course his value is whatever we see fit to pay, which seems to be less than €60 million based on how long this is taking, so I’m not sure how that supports your point.
25 million doesn't even get you a Mctominay these days, and he doesnt raise either ceiling or floor.
BREAKING: Ugarte closer today than yesterday
Closer than it has ever been.
I just hope he gets the rub of the green from the refs in the mould of Fernandinho who avoided getting carded for all the fouls he makes every game.
Knowing our luck, he will get carded for the first tackle he makes and then will have to contain his game to avoid getting a red card.
Knowing our luck, he will get carded for the first tackle he makes and then will have to contain his game to avoid getting a red card.
A couple of CL games aside, he actually did play well and earned plenty of praise from Enrique. It's just that Vitinha's emergence a few months into the season - which nobody really expected - left Ugarte the worse fit, as you allude to.
Michael Oliver will be all over it. He'll be watching Ugarte more than the match. Desperate to flash his red.
Sends United players off for fun. Don't think he's ever sent off an opposition player against United in 10+ years
Anyone else edging?
It makes no sense. Almost as bad as people describing something as "below par" to mean bad when below par is good in golf.
How do you know they’re not negotiating the structure, not the overall amount? Your guess is as good as mine what the actual costs are at this moment, so not sure how that supports your point.
People forget the importance of a dirty bastard in our midfield along with footballing abilities and let me remind you that we are signing an absolute shithouse. Time to repost that recent clip against Argentina where he calls De Paul a Messi cocksucker.
This just sounds like Romano’s last “advanced” tweet with different wording. I see you Fab.
loan with an obligation to buy is great if the lad has a great season with us and he's well worth the money
one thing though that makes me wonder....if the loan has a small fee, will that allow us to dip into the market for another player considering we still have money to spend and have sold a few of the younger kids to help with the FFP
one thing though that makes me wonder....if the loan has a small fee, will that allow us to dip into the market for another player considering we still have money to spend and have sold a few of the younger kids to help with the FFP
And if they don't, what do we do?
They're the sellers, meaning they set the price and we can't actually force them to sell at the price they're unwilling to sell at. PSG is incidentally one of those clubs that do not need to sell as they have deep pockets.
Close, closer than close, closer than you can ever imagine, close. Let’s get close.
Sounds like it's a couple of days away from a here we go so we'll be lucky to have him for the Liverpool game.
Ultimately you just have to treat this as an outright purchase.
The loan becomes irrelevant when there's an obligation to buy, we're just deferring the expense till next summer.
It’s so weird what we posters do with this whole “market value”. We are all guilty of it so I’m not calling just you out on it. But let’s just take a step back and think about it. We were willing to pay £43m for him. It doesn’t matter what you think he is worth cause this isn’t FM.
This isn’t Murtough and Arnold negotiating. This is Ashworth, Wilcox, Vivell etc negotiating. I trust them more than our previous executives. So they value him at £43m cause he is still young and can improve massively. No one is the finished article at 23/24 years of age.
PSG asking for £50m is not right cause they want to rid of him BUT I said this before - think about the opportunity cost. If we spend this extra £7m and he helps get top four then we might get back more than this £7m if we play Champions League. I’m not saying he will be sorely responsible for us to get 4 but sometimes it’s one player who can make a huge difference and make us better. Think how Fernandes and Casemeiro did in their first season. They were difference makers.
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This is a sensible way to look at things. Others should take note.
In twelve months, the only current midfielders likely to be at the club are Mainoo, Bruno and Mount. Ugarte now and additional bodies next summer is the logical step.
I find it funny that Enrique doesn’t fancy him but he still played 37 games for PSG last season..
Cause maybe they didn’t have any backup options?
Yea that's a worry. A lot of his tackles would get called foul in the PL. Just hope he has a knack for avoiding yellow cards.
yeah we are getting deep into slang stuff that doesn't make sense, I love golf and that expression has never made sense either.Mince I can only think must have been because back in the day, all the left over meat was chucked into a mincer, ergo mince was the rubbish stuff left over. But obviously not the case now? I don't know
You still seem to be missing the point by an impressively large distance.
So what if some people thought Sancho was worth it at the time? Some didn’t. Just like some people think Ugarte is worth it and some don’t. There is no substantive difference between the two except for your entirely arbitrary opinion that one was worth it even though he ended up a flop, and one isn’t worth it even though we haven’t actually signed him yet, don’t know what the deal will be if we do, or how he will fit and and perform over time.
Just you wait for the Redemption of Hannibal thread. It will be glorious
Exactly, Still valuable enough to do a part even through the he doesn’t fit the managers system, says something I guess.
PSG have done well if they’re getting their money back tbh
Maybe, but they have replaced him now with Neves
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